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ChainsawAsh said:

WheresBlackhawk said:

Breathe, ChainsawAsh, It's all good.  It may just take some time to get everyone on the same page.  Patience is a virtue.  I'm with ya, man.  Like you and Erik said, if we pay too much attention to the prequels or the EU or the old scripts we have already blown the CONCEPT we were going for.  A few pages back I posted THE FACTS as SHOWN in the OT.  Those are really the ONLY things we need to stick to.  As someone previously said, this PT should be exciting whether you watch it 4-6, 1-3 or 1-6.  If we only stick to the facts, it will make the whole project more exciting for the viewer, because they won't know what to expect.

Erik... I like some of your ideas, but i don't think we have the time to spend an entire movie on just Obiwan's development.  AND I think we really need to try to make Yoda a PRESENCE without being PRESENT.  He should be built up as being, frankly, the most powerful Jedi, but not seen on screen to make his appearance in ESB that much more of a surprise.  Luke was surprised...after all the build up, so should we.

Still curious about people's ideas for the wars.

Sorry if I came across as a jerk in my last post, I really didn't mean to.  I have a very set idea of what I'd like this to be, but it's difficult for me to communicate that in words since it's not fully-formulated in my head, either.

That concept art is pretty interesting.  We should take a look at some OT-era unused McQuarrie art, too - he had some good stuff that wasn't used if I recall.

BTW, my real name is Erik, so if I get mixed up and think you're talking to me when you're talking to Erikstormtrooper, I apologize in advance.  It's already starting to get confusing to me.

It depends on what you want to do with these prequels.

I first watched ANH back in 1977 when it plain old STAR WARS and it blew me away, I read every bit of the background story that turned up in magazines and books, and this largely fuled my expectations of what the prequels were to be like.

Then came TPM and not only was it a not very good film but it largely ignored all the little titbits of the story that we were fed for the past twenty odd years.

This is why I'm so protective of the background elements that matter most (Obi Wan is the cause of Vader's need of a breath screen, Vader is THE Dark Lord Of The Sith, Boba Fett is somehow connected to the Shocktroopers of the Clone Wars which fought against the Jedi. Leia was old enough to remember her real mother before she died).

There is still a lot of breathing space between those points but to ignore them is (in my opinion) making much the same mistakes that Lucas made.

It's like growing up an orphan and wishing you knew your father only to find out the man you thought had killed him was him.

Bingowings,

I do see where you are coming from, and most of the ideas can work.  The hardest thing about the new PT is showing Anakin lose the path but not seeing him become Vader.  I think it is important to preserve the plot twists.  Some of the ideas that are being tossed around at least raise doubt as to who Vader really is. 

Erikstormtrooper said:

So I don't agree with the concept of Obi Wan being given assigments. The Force should lead him to his missions.

 I was going with this idea for awhile, but I hit an OT snag.  If the force can lead you to where you are needed, then why did Leia have to come to get Ben in ANH.  Is it because Ben was ONCE a jedi knight, but not so much anymore?  And how can he be "too old for this sort of thing"?  The force is supposed be stronger than just the physical.  I like the "being sent" or maybe "encouraged and informed where they are needed" idea because it makes Yoda something we can talk about and have him the MOST finely attuned to the force.

Well, I'm still leaning towards assignments too. And I should have mentioned that in some of my ideas Obi-Wan was assigned to retrieve Bail; but he didn't know where to find him. He does that through the force/detective work. I think the mix of Force powers and detective work is an interesting mix and wasn't really well done in AOTC. He uses the force to find Bail, but his focus has to be on it first. Thus he's assigned, and THEN focuses on it. He can't just know all things; he has to direct the power. Which is evident in the films; unless something huge happend like a world exploding, or...if you're Yoda; or 800 years old. =)

Oh and I also agree that showing Obi-wan's entire growth into a Jedi is too much story for three films, when you already have the Clone Wars, and the Anakin story to tell.

Oh, and I asked before; but has anyone tried this Iclone software?

I had the idea last night of the first film starting with the Spice Freighter that Anakin is the navigator on picking up a distress call and finding a royal yacht that has just escaped from a battle.

It's really badly damaged and is brought onboard and they find Obi-Wan and Luke/Leia's mum inside but the ships that shot at them return and the Captain is killed.

Anakin uses his piloting skills to avade the pirate fleet and they take them to Coruscant.

Throughout the rescue Obi-Wan is sensing that the Force is strong in Anakin and seeks him out to help him track down a former pupil of his Darth Vader who is trying to kill the Queen for some reason (Palpatine has foreseen that any child she has will be his undoing and she is about to be married to the Viceroy of Alderaan).

This brings Obi-Wan back to his home planet of Tatooine.

I think it would be important to start the film off with a space battle and introduce the main ideas as soon as possible (like ANH did).

Bingowings said:

I had the idea last night of the first film starting with the Spice Freighter that Anakin is the navigator on picking up a distress call and finding a royal yacht that has just escaped from a battle.

It's really badly damaged and is brought onboard and they find Obi-Wan and Luke/Leia's mum inside but the ships that shot at them return and the Captain is killed.

Anakin uses his piloting skills to avade the pirate fleet and they take them to Coruscant.

Throughout the rescue Obi-Wan is sensing that the Force is strong in Anakin and seeks him out to help him track down a former pupil of his Darth Vader who is trying to kill the Queen for some reason (Palpatine has foreseen that any child she has will be his undoing and she is about to be married to the Viceroy of Alderaan).

This brings Obi-Wan back to his home planet of Tatooine.

I think it would be important to start the film off with a space battle and introduce the main ideas as soon as possible (like ANH did).

Good idea but I still think Anakin should be young, like a teenager. Maybe Owen is showing him the ropes in the spice freighter or something? Second, I don't like the idea that Tatooine is Obi-Wan's home planet.

I had the idea last night of the first film starting with the Spice Freighter that Anakin is the navigator on picking up a distress call and finding a royal yacht that has just escaped from a battle.

It's really badly damaged and is brought onboard and they find Obi-Wan

Lol, I had the exact same idea last night for the opening scene.

Octorox said:

Bingowings said:

I had the idea last night of the first film starting with the Spice Freighter that Anakin is the navigator on picking up a distress call and finding a royal yacht that has just escaped from a battle.

It's really badly damaged and is brought onboard and they find Obi-Wan and Luke/Leia's mum inside but the ships that shot at them return and the Captain is killed.

Anakin uses his piloting skills to avade the pirate fleet and they take them to Coruscant.

Throughout the rescue Obi-Wan is sensing that the Force is strong in Anakin and seeks him out to help him track down a former pupil of his Darth Vader who is trying to kill the Queen for some reason (Palpatine has foreseen that any child she has will be his undoing and she is about to be married to the Viceroy of Alderaan).

This brings Obi-Wan back to his home planet of Tatooine.

I think it would be important to start the film off with a space battle and introduce the main ideas as soon as possible (like ANH did).

 

Good idea but I still think Anakin should be young, like a teenager. Maybe Owen is showing him the ropes in the spice freighter or something? Second, I don't like the idea that Tatooine is Obi-Wan's home planet.

Owen is a moisture farmer from Tatooine and has been since he was very young, Anakin should be in his late teens early twenties (a little bit younger than Ben who is in his mid-thirties Just enough for him to look up to him). Obi-Wan hated growing up on Tatooine (their father dragged them there as part a brief Rebublican colonial expansion that came to nothing) and his relationship with his brother is very hostile (he sees the Jedi as his family and Coruscant as his home) but Anakin enjoys visiting it and his sister (they come from somewhere else) but he only drops by once in a while (which is usually the high point of the Lars family year).

TMBTM said:

I had the idea last night of the first film starting with the Spice Freighter that Anakin is the navigator on picking up a distress call and finding a royal yacht that has just escaped from a battle.

It's really badly damaged and is brought onboard and they find Obi-Wan

Lol, I had the exact same idea last night for the opening scene.

 Well there you go, it's the future you see.

But why have a character who is already named Darth Vader?

mrbenja0618 said:

But why have a character who is already named Darth Vader?

 Darth Vader is just a name for the leader of the pirates, he wears armour and a mask (but no breath screen) so no one has ever seen his face (every time one of their leaders dies they put the suit on someone else) that way when Anakin is captured in episode II the first time audience can assume he is dead and that in Episode III he is fighting the same Darth Vader in the other episodes (when in fact he's fighting Anakin in the armour).

The identity of this last Vader is not revealed until ESB.

In this prequel trilogy Obi-Wan's connection with finding a Vader is made out to be personal but the full nature is never revealed so when he decribes him as a former pupil (and he has had others) in ANH that (and the apparent death of Anakin) would seem to be the reveal as to why Obi-Wan took the conflict between them so personally.

I see what you're saying; but I don't know how well that would play. I actually think we might be overcomplicating a Star Wars movie.  But maybe I'm wrong. I'm up to seeing how it plays out.

I agree about overcomplicating it.  Remember we only have three 2-hour movies to tell the story we want (need) to tell.  Early on I was criticized for my outline being "boring."  I always start my ideas with only the necessary facts and then i flesh them out and expand.  If we start too big, we will run out of time and the product will be worse than what we are trying to fix. 

I agree about overcomplicating it.  Remember we only have three 2-hour movies to tell the story we want (need) to tell.  Early on I was criticized for my outline being "boring."  I always start my ideas with only the necessary facts and then i flesh them out and expand.  If we start too big, we will run out of time and the product will be worse than what we are trying to fix.  This whole Vader thing is kind of interesting, but how does it get explained to the audience. It will take up alot of screen time.  We already have alot of characters we NEED to service in the story.  This idea would create at least two more, because we would have to see the title "VADER" change hands at least once to explain the concept. 

mrbenja0618 said:

I see what you're saying; but I don't know how well that would play. I actually think we might be overcomplicating a Star Wars movie.  But maybe I'm wrong. I'm up to seeing how it plays out.

Perhaps it's my grasp of the English language that is at fault (I've only been speaking and writing in it for 37 years or so).

There is a group being used by Palpatine to orchestrate his schemes, pirates basically.

Their leaders all go by the Nom de guerre of Darth Vader and when one dies the new leader wears the armour and the name but we don't know that at first as far as we know in the first few films there is one and only one Darth Vader and he is obviously not Anakin Skywalker (shades of "Kagemusha" here). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kagemusha

These leaders all wear the same armour and mask and nobody knows who under the mask they just know that these pirates are Darth Vader's men and the Jedi are trying to track them down but Obi-Wan has (through the force) discovered it's a former pupil of his (but he doesn't know which one).

At the end of Episode II Anakin is captured by the pirates and Obi-Wan fears he will be killed and naturally wants to save him but unlike Luke he listens to Yoda and doesn't go after him.

Vader and Obi-Wan meet and Obi-Wan learns the truth (though he doesn't fully reveal it) that all the time he was sensing the future, Anakin has become the new Darth Vader. They fight (with Anakin wearing the Vader armour) and he is injured causing him to have to wear the breath screen.

It shouldn't be too difficult to explain the concept over three films, the Padme/decoy thing came across as overly simplistic and that was in just one film. A similar idea appeared in "The Princess Bride" and that was just one book/movie : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dread_Pirate_Roberts

It's the only way I can think of keeping Vader a secret but still have the iconic duel.

It also plays into that element of Greek tragedy where the ability to see the future is a curse, which causes the very thing you are trying to avoid.

That way the burning of Vader's armour in ROTJ has a double meaning, on one hand he is freeing Anakin from the Vader persona but also he could inherit the name (because he was the cause of the previous Vader's death) but rejects it thus ending the title forever.

Erikstormtrooper said:

Here's my daily does of a whole lot of nonsense. Some of it feels right, other parts clunky. In my mind, I keep seeing this as more of a series of comic books than animated movies, but that's purely due to logistics.

Episode I - (25 Years Before the Battle of Yavin)

Anakin (20)
Obi Wan (35)
Bail (25)
Owen (25)

CRAWL:

A bitter conflict has erupted
throughout the Republic. After the
Galactic Senate's divisive decision
to abolish cloning, King Organa of
Alderaan has been assassinated by cloning
extremists, sparking the SECOND CLONE WAR.

In desperation, the Jedi Knight
Obi Wan Kenobi is on a mission to
locate the missing prince of Alderaan.

If the prince can be returned to
his home planet, there is hope that
reason and diplomacy can restore
peace to the galaxy.

Concept:

I see this as kind of like the American Civil War, but sparked by a WWI-type assassination. After the assassination of their King, the people of Alderaan get an extreme case of bloodlust and start a war with the advocates of cloning (i.e., terrorists). These Clone forces (whatever we want to call them, they may include Mandalorians and/or shocktroopers) shouldn't really be clones themselves, just people who believe in the right to make clones if they choose to. Anakin is the "everyman" in the movie, in that all the exposition for us is directed at him.

Synopsis - 1st HALF:

The story starts as a spice freighter (spice is a substance of questionable legality) exits hyperspace over a random planet, only to drop right into the thick of a battle. The ship is suddenly struck by random blaster fire, the captain killed, and the navicomputer damaged. But the navigator Anakin skywalker - with the help of the ship's astromech R2-D2 - begins repairs. While the battle rages, Anakin restores main engines and begins a slow getaway, when he receives a distress call from another nearby ship. He weighs whether he should get involved, risking being caught for his spice smuggling. After a moment, he decides to go back for the rescue.

As he docks with the damaged republic ship, a dazed Bail Organa and injured Obi Wan Kenobi come on board. Kenobi demands they immediately jump to hyperspace to Alderaan. But Anakin explains about the navicomputer. Just then, the Clone Forces begin to attack, and Anakin takes the pilot controls. He manages to artfully evade the attackers. Kenobi is impressed, but he has concerns about their ability to get out alive. In desperation, Anakin begins to manually enter coordinates into the navicomputer. Stunned, Obi Wan asks what he's doing. Anakin explains that he "knows the way home". As he throws the hyperdrive switch, they make the jump to hyperspace, on the way to Tatooine. Obi Wan passes out from exhaustion and his injuries.

When Obi Wan comes to, he's in a small room, being nursed by Beru, Anakin's sister. He wants to immediately leave to continue his mission, but he can't get up due to his injuries. Beru asks who he is, and he explains about the Jedi, his mission, being sent by Yoda (I'm beginning to like the idea of referring to Yoda but not seeing him). Bail Organa is cooling his heels in the background. We haven't really gotten to know him yet. 

After a few days, Obi Wan can amble around a bit with a walking stick, and he meets Owen Lars, a native of Tatooine. Owen was a friend of Anakin's who married Beru after father Skywalker died in the first Clone War. Owen and Beru now live on the Skywalker farm. Owen has little sympathy for Obi Wan, seeing what war has done to the skywalkers.

Bail comes in to talk to the recovering Obi Wan. We learn Bail's the reluctant heir who just wants to escape all this. He also thinks the war is justified and has no desire to stop it. Alderaan was ravaged by the first clone war, which was waged by an army of Clones known as shocktroopers. The shocktroopers were originally an experimental army for the Republic, but the cloning process was faulty, which caused the clones to go mad and mutiny. So in Bail's eyes, Alderaan is now doing what it must to protect itself. Obi Wan explains that the cycle of war will continue  - retaliation after retaliation, until someone can put the past aside.

A few days later, Obi Wan can walk around on his own, and he's beginning to grumble about leaving soon. He makes his way to the garage, where he sees Anakin tinkering. As a navigator who floats between jobs, Anakin is mostly away from the farm, but he spends most of his time in the garage when he's home. Obi Wan notices an old helmet displayed on the wall. Anakin explains that it was his father's fighter pilot helmet in the First Clone War. He gave it to Anakin on his deathbed, saying he "wanted him to to have it", knowing the young boy's enthusiasm for piloting. Obi Wan discusses Anakin's piloting skill and his trick with the navicomputer. Anakin says he's just always had a natural ability for piloting and a sense of direction in space. Obi Wan thinks for a while. He asks Anakin if he's heard of the Force. Anakin responds that he's not a religious guy. He mentions how his mother was killed by Tusken Raiders while father Skywalker was off at war.

Obi Wan takes a closer look at what Anakin is tinkering with: a holonet projector. Anakin notices and says "I figured you'd want some news of what's going on out there". After a minute, Anakin gets the thing to work. He fiddles with the dials and receives a transmission: Alderaan is under attack from the Clone Forces! Obi Wan calls to Bail, who watches with dread. Owen and Beru come in as well. After a few moments of silence, Bail says he's ready to return to Alderaan with Obi Wan.

But Obi Wan and Bail have no way off the planet. Obi Wan, sensing a moment of aligned opportunity, asks Anakin to pilot them back to Alderaan in the freighter. With the navicomputer unable to calculate coordinates, Obi wan pleads that Anakin can use his natural ability - with a little assistance from Obi Wan and the R2 unit - to manually enter the coordinates. Anakin could help save untold lives.

When Anakin doesn't immediately say no, Owen balks. He asks how Anakin could even consider this after all that's happened, how he could willingly put himself in harm's way. Anakin looks at his father's helmet on the wall, then grabs it and says "let's go". After Anakin leaves with the others, Owen says "I have a bad feeling about this". Beru replies that Anakin must follow his heart.

SYNOPSIS - 2nd Half:

Tune in next time as our heroes get in over their head. Anakin uses his piloting skills to disable a clone force dropship, Obi Wan faces off against the dreaded shocktroopers in hand-to-hand combat, and Bail Organa decides to join in the fight. Can they stop the invasion of Alderaan before it's too late?

Episode II (20 BBY)

Anakin (25)
Obi Wan (40)
Princess X (25)

A beautiful young princess (along with her golden protocol droid) is kidnapped by the dreaded sith pirates and their leader, Darth Vader. Anakin (now a Jedi Knight) and Obi Wan do battle with the sith and rescue the princess, with Anakin apparently killing Vader. Obi Wan explains that Darth Vader was once a student of his, but later turned to the dark side and joined the Sith, a band of masked marauders whose identity and species is unknown. Obi Wan uses the story of Darth Vader as a precautionary tale to Anakin on the appropriate use of the force. As Anakin and the princess fall in love, the Sith Pirates attack once again with a mysteriously revived Darth Vader. Anakin falsely believes Princess X to be dead, and he foolishly rushes off into battle. When he never returns, he is feared to be dead.

Episode III (17 BBY)

Vader/Anakin (28)
Obi Wan (43)
Princess X (28)
Luke (3)
Leia (3)

The repeated attacks by the Sith pirates have led to isolationism and xenophobia in the Republic. A charismatic senator has been named as emperor to provide a more centralized leadership in response to the sith pirates.

Because of their mutual affection for Anakin, Princess X and Obi Wan have become parents, in a way, for the Skywalker twins, but their relationship remains plutonic. Darth Vader, however, has spies that report otherwise to him.

Jedi have been mysteriously targeted by mercenaries known as the Mandalorians. The Jedi council (minus yoda) is convened, and they decide that they must make a stand against the Mandalorian threat. While the Jedi are slowly eliminated, Obi Wan does some sleuthing and discovers that the new Emperor has been manipulating the Sith and Mandalorians to his own ends. In a confrontation with Vader, Obi Wan asks what has happened to Anakin, and Vader responds that he is dead. During the battle, Vader falls into lava, and Obi Wan leaves him to die. Obi Wan has lost hope in everything he once fought for and believed in. The emperor announces a truce with the sith pirates, and as a sign of goodwill, makes Darth Vader his right hand man.

Both Obi Wan and Princess X, still clinging to their bittersweet memories of Anakin, are unclear about what to do with the children. They decide to seek the advice of master Yoda on Dagobah. Surely, he will know how best to protect the children. We see their ship approach Dagobah. The end.

ANH (0 BBY)

Vader (45)
Ben (60)
Luke (18)
Leia (18)

 

I like Episode I. Hate everything about II and III. Darth Vader should be the only Darth Vader and there should be no Sith pirates.

Someone has been busy.

Great stuff, I'm not too sure about Spice being illegal (we don't want it to be THE SPICE do we?).

I took it as just being spice, the act of smuggling it was illegal but just transporting it could be a perfectly legal activity.

I like I and II a lot, but not so sure about III.  I don't think there should be a Jedi Council at all.  I also don't think we should introduce the Emperor idea so late - that should come during II, in my opinion.  I also don't know what to think about us knowing the twins so early, though if there's one OT surprise we have to drop, that would be the one to drop.

I do, however, like the idea of them seeking Yoda's advice about the children.

I do like the Sith pirates thing, and if we need to use the Sith in some way, that's the way to do it.

I like several ideas in Ep1, but I kinda lose ya in Ep2.  Obiwan is THE WORST TEACHER EVER! You mean that two of his students become VADER?

ChainsawAsh said:

I like I and II a lot, but not so sure about III.  I don't think there should be a Jedi Council at all.  I also don't think we should introduce the Emperor idea so late - that should come during II, in my opinion.  I also don't know what to think about us knowing the twins so early, though if there's one OT surprise we have to drop, that would be the one to drop.

I do, however, like the idea of them seeking Yoda's advice about the children.

I do like the Sith pirates thing, and if we need to use the Sith in some way, that's the way to do it.

I don't think we really ought to preserve any of the OT secrets. Everyone knows who Yoda is, everyone knows that DV is Luke's father and everyone knows that Luke and Leia are siblings. Who exactly are we keeping these secrets from? The whole point of the PT was to flesh out the backstory of the OT and show just how everything happened. How Anakin fell to the dark side, how the jedi knights were wiped out, how the empire rose, how Yoda ended up on Dagobah and how the twins were born and seperated. If you get rid of this How element then what is the point anyway?

Octorox said:

ChainsawAsh said:

I like I and II a lot, but not so sure about III.  I don't think there should be a Jedi Council at all.  I also don't think we should introduce the Emperor idea so late - that should come during II, in my opinion.  I also don't know what to think about us knowing the twins so early, though if there's one OT surprise we have to drop, that would be the one to drop.

I do, however, like the idea of them seeking Yoda's advice about the children.

I do like the Sith pirates thing, and if we need to use the Sith in some way, that's the way to do it.

 

I don't think we really ought to preserve any of the OT secrets. Everyone knows who Yoda is, everyone knows that DV is Luke's father and everyone knows that Luke and Leia are siblings. Who exactly are we keeping these secrets from? The whole point of the PT was to flesh out the backstory of the OT and show just how everything happened. How Anakin fell to the dark side, how the jedi knights were wiped out, how the empire rose, how Yoda ended up on Dagobah and how the twins were born and seperated. If you get rid of this How element then what is the point anyway?

If you want to just see how things happened, then you already have the Prequel Trilogy, flaws and all. By fleshing out the story, you also open opportunities to take things in slightly different directions, a 'What If?' scenario, so to speak. It's not looking to preserve the secrets of the OT, but to ensure that the PT tallies better with the OT instead of having contradictions or stupid ideas thrown in like midichlorians, or forcing the OT to make exceptions.This project, if it ever came to being, would be presenting things in a far different manner, so there is licence to move away from accepted routes. We all know the eventual answers, we just don't want them projected in such a clumsy and obvious manner.

I feel there were a lot of elements that warranted more investigation - the Clone Wars...what was the idea behind this, who was Darth Tyrannus, where does Dooku fit into things, why does Grevious know how to fight with sabers - was he a former Jedi and the prototype for Vader, etc...The PT has so many elements thrown into it that it becomes too messy ad confusing. Characters appear and disappear without explanation, everyone speaks with a formal tone and the Jedi, far from being the grand characters they should be, appear to be a police force with special powers and these symbiotic creatures living in them.

The fall of Anakin was also handled quite badly, going from one extreme to another with a lot of sulking inbetween. I believe it was pride that caused him to fall but pride should be displayed as much more than a sulking whinning person. A search for acception could also provide opportunities for Anakin's downfall. If he was really seeking acception from a family or group, then he would do things he thought would impress them. Recklessness comes from this devil-may-care attitude, from a wish to do something impressive. Flying through an advertising hoarding isn't reckless or impressive. It's stupid. Obi-Wan's 'failure' should be linked to this in some way. Perhaps he also has a stubborn pride that doesn't allow him to see things until too late. It was touched on in ROTS, but it should be more of his character - will he fail to be a good teacher, is he really as good as Yoda. Just how good was he...?

Should Palpatine really be an interloper...he seems to spend a lot of time trying to get Anakin without really doing a lot...Maybe he could be a Hitler type of character. An 'alien' who is trying to amass the 'perfect' Empire (as Hitler tried to do with his Aryan race, despite being non-Aryan in origin), without alien influence which ironically goes against what he is - an alien who has no accepted place in the galaxy...?