Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released) — Page 80

^^It had to do with introducing 3PO in Ep. II rather than having Anakin build him in Ep. I.  It was a plot related thing.  In SOTDS, 3PO is an annoying protocol robot dumped on the young couple by the Jawas.  Owen actually offers to pay Anakin or Padme to take the droid.

Also, 3PO's voice is different- I took his lines from the radio dramas, both for plot and because the pitch of his voice sounds like the OT now.

I don't know how video to film would relate to 1 ccd and 3ccd...but what you're saying makes sense to me, and I do know that film has a much wider dynamic range than HD...

I think we should definitely look more at this if there's time- stretching out the color space in a natural way would be a lot better than losing a lot of the color, which is what happened in a lot of scenes.  I wanted to desaturate it some, but now in some cases it just looks like a faded print.

Scenes like the droid factory, though, I don't want to play around with too much further because the CGI was just so awful I made the whole thing dark with shadows and smoke so you couldn't really see the machines- only silhouettes of arms, cranes, etc.  I like how that turned out because the original scene was so bad and unartistic.

Right, the obvious question is why does Owen buy 3PO in Ep. IV.

Well, for one thing several years have passed.  3PO is painted a different color (and there are other protocol droids that look like 3PO).  

The other thing is that in SOTDS he turns to Beru and says, "Doesn't even speak Bocce."  He's a protocol droid, and he can't even do that.  He's good for nothing.

So if you look in Ep. IV in that light, Owen seems very wary of 3PO, and the resemblance is bothering him.

"Do you speak Bocce?" he says finally.

And of course 3PO claims that he does.  So Owen buys him.  The funny part being that he bought 3PO twice.  

I still haven't figured out the memory wipe issue in Ep. III though...

Trooperman said:

Right, the obvious question is why does Owen buy 3PO in Ep. IV.

Well, for one thing several years have passed.  3PO is painted a different color (and there are other protocol droids that look like 3PO).  

The other thing is that in SOTDS he turns to Beru and says, "Doesn't even speak Bocce."  He's a protocol droid, and he can't even do that.  He's good for nothing.

So if you look in Ep. IV in that light, Owen seems very wary of 3PO, and the resemblance is bothering him.

"Do you speak Bocce?" he says finally.

And of course 3PO claims that he does.  So Owen buys him.  The funny part being that he bought 3PO twice.

Pretty funny...and clever. The real question, though, is: can 3PO play bocce?

Looking over some of the submitted sample corrections, I think it might be best if only certain parts were desaturated. Like desaturate the blacks and de-red the highlights. The shot on the Lars farm, the people in the shadow are too saturated but I think the background is okay. Anakin in the nightclub looks fine as is. The redone reminds me too much of the questionable color timing done for the Blade Runner deluxe dvd.

The shot of Anakin and Padme looks better in the before shot. The background (shadows) could be desaturated while the people stay somewhat the same. The most saturated part of the image should draw the viewer's eye. With everything equally saturated, the eye has trouble on what to focus. But if Anakin and Padme stay saturated while the background is made less hot, they might stand out more.

One other thing I wanted to mention. I saw the youtube clip of your chase and I liked it. I don't know episode II well enough to notice if it was cut differently but the scene seemed like it had a purpose, some sense of direction instead of wandering aimlessly. And it was nice to have actual music instead of just percussion and drums.

umm, I took a try at recording boba, ummm ya *silence*

Anyway, could anyone try to sych the audio to the video

http://rapidshare.com/files/175264785/Boba.aup.html

EDIT-It does not seem to work, oh well, it's for the better lol. I'm curious to see how you pulled of boba!

Captain! Status Update! Please

Also TM, Did you ever plan for a commentary, or will you have one? I know A while ago you wanted to have one.

And I though this was a good read for the "symbolism" of AOTC

http://www.lardbiscuit.com/lard/shroud.html

I was going to spend some time converting the projects to Vegas 8, and then to HD.  I realized the conversion to HD was going to be tougher than I thought.  Trooperman had an idea that I thought would work, but it will take some time to get perfect.  I'm concentrating on audio at the moment.  The only problem is there is a lot of audio missing.  Trooperman has almost a gig of audio that was on another drive when he copied his hard drive to mine.  I am assuming most of the missing audio is there, and I'm sending him lists to see.  I am also seeing an issue with a project file or two not converting to Vegas 8.  I can't install the old version of Vegas because for some reason it requires me to install version 1.1 of the Microsoft NET framework--Don't ask me.  So hopefully Trooperman will have the strength to finish off work what appears to be only a couple "sections" of the film.  I'll have to ask him.

So, with that in mind, what was the general agenda before Trooperman had to duck out?  Was there anything that needed to get done from anyone except the editor?  I know for a fact I won't be able to do any of the rotoscoping for Mace Windu's lightsaber that is still left.  Besides that, was there much more than audio left to work on?  Whoever made the crawl might have to do it again in HD, or if they're not available anymore, we need somebody to take up the challenge.

I'll really start setting to work and getting our priorities straight today and tomorrow.  This will go much better if we all pull together like I know this thread has been doing from the start, and I hope discussion can continue to relate to getting the project done and problem solving, and not questions about whether or not it'll be done soon (not pointing at anybody, I know there hasn't been activity on this thread for awhile).

Alright, I'll see about getting that missing audio list done.  That's my task right now.

P.S. I bolded certain points to make clear the tasks that need to be done for me and everybody.

Sounds good, and I would be fine If It were not in HD, TM was giving the film an older feel, and I have a huch  this will require alot of work.

Unless The quality is yucky now, then hmmmm. Paul, one more important task if you have not done it yet, is read the whole thread You would know this movie!

I Trust you, and Hope Trooperman will yet lay a magical helping hand on this LONG awaited project Bonne chance!

^^You read this entire thread?  Wow.  You probably know the movie better than I do now;)

PaulisDead2221 said:

I was going to spend some time converting the projects to Vegas 8, and then to HD.  I realized the conversion to HD was going to be tougher than I thought.  Trooperman had an idea that I thought would work, but it will take some time to get perfect.  I'm concentrating on audio at the moment.  The only problem is there is a lot of audio missing.  Trooperman has almost a gig of audio that was on another drive when he copied his hard drive to mine.  I am assuming most of the missing audio is there, and I'm sending him lists to see.  I am also seeing an issue with a project file or two not converting to Vegas 8.  I can't install the old version of Vegas because for some reason it requires me to install version 1.1 of the Microsoft NET framework--Don't ask me.  So hopefully Trooperman will have the strength to finish off work what appears to be only a couple "sections" of the film.  I'll have to ask him.

So, with that in mind, what was the general agenda before Trooperman had to duck out?  Was there anything that needed to get done from anyone except the editor?  I know for a fact I won't be able to do any of the rotoscoping for Mace Windu's lightsaber that is still left.  Besides that, was there much more than audio left to work on?  Whoever made thecrawl might have to do it again in HD, or if they're not available anymore, we need somebody to take up the challenge.

I'll really start setting to work and getting our priorities straight today and tomorrow.  This will go much better if we all pull together like I know this thread has been doing from the start, and I hope discussion can continue to relate to getting the project done and problem solving, and not questions about whether or not it'll be done soon (not pointing at anybody, I know there hasn't been activity on this thread for awhile).

Alright, I'll see about getting that missing audio list done.  That's my task right now.

P.S. I bolded certain points to make clear the tasks that need to be done for me and everybody.

Hi PaulisDead,

I found the recordings you listed and after I type this I will PM you with the link to those files.  Bear in mind though that each project file has a different library and it could be that you will need other files for other parts besides part 1.  If that be the case let me know right away so I can send you the files.  I'm sorry my project is such an organizational nightmare...

"I realized the conversion to HD was going to be tougher than I thought."

Yep.  I definitely wouldn't try that until the end.  When I first brought it up I wasn't actually talking about encoding it in HD, I was thinking that if we swap out the DVD source with the HD source where possible, it'll make a lot of those shots that I cropped for framing look a LOT better.  But you would still do a final encode in DVD resolution...otherwise we would have to redo the opening crawl, redo the lightsabers, etc.  I definitely wouldn't worry about it now....

"I am also seeing an issue with a project file or two not converting to Vegas 8."

Hmm.  That's weird.  Which ones?

"I know for a fact I won't be able to do any of the rotoscoping for Mace Windu's lightsaber that is still left."

I'll take care of that.  Just use the original purple clips for now.  We can splice the effects shots into the MPEG at the very end if we need to.  

"Whoever made thecrawl might have to do it again in HD, or if they're not available anymore, we need somebody to take up the challenge."

Yeah, I don't know if he's around anymore.  The standard-def crawl is perfect though, in terms of framing and the number of words on each line.  I remember we debated how to format the crawl for several pages back in 2005...

"Was there anything that needed to get done from anyone except the editor?"

Yes, we need a couple lines from Sluggo and MTHaslett.  I think I told you which lines in the "readme," if not let me know.  Also, Octorox would like to help out (with Jar-Jar maybe) but one of us needs to send him sample dialogue. 

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"I hope discussion can continue to relate to getting the project done and problem solving, and not questions about whether or not it'll be done soon."

Absolutely.  It's my fault SOTDS isn't done yet, but PaulisDead coming along to finish it is a real blessing and we need to give him encouragement, support and help where needed to get this done.  I'm just personally thrilled he's doing this, and that he's excited with what I've done already and excited to add onto it.  But please do not nag him.  It'll be done when it's done.  

Which will be a lot sooner than if I had to finish it myself....

Thank you PaulisDead.  I appreciate it so much.  These are my high school years wrapped up in this movie:)

I'm renaming the thread now.

Best,

TM

Hmm.  That's weird.  Which ones?

 

Right now, all of them.  It's a registry thing going on.  I'm going to install Vegas again, hopefully get a clean install this time.  The projects were converting fine until project five, now they all give me this registry error.  It's okay I'll "pick up" a "better" copy of Vegas once demonoid is back online. [EDIT] Okay never mind, I cleaned the gunk out of the mouse, turned the monitor on and off, and it fixed itself.

I'll take care of that.  Just use the original purple clips for now.  We can splice the effects shots into the MPEG at the very end if we need to. 

If when you finish these you just want to encode the lightsaber matte, specifying the shot and what not, I can layer them over the clip, then if it gets upgraded to HD it wouldn't be a drop in quality for those shots.  Or if it doesn't get upgraded to HD then it doesn't matter.

Yep.  I definitely wouldn't try that until the end.  When I first brought it up I wasn't actually talking about encoding it in HD, I was thinking that if we swap out the DVD source with the HD source where possible, it'll make a lot of those shots that I cropped for framing look a LOT better.  But you would still do a final encode in DVD resolution...otherwise we would have to redo the opening crawl, redo the lightsabers, etc.  I definitely wouldn't worry about it now....

Well I'd like to see what we could get out of it if we tried.  The opening crawl and lightsaber mattes will look just fine matted on top of the HD I think.  The crawl I can isolate by chroma-keying out space and the stars, and layer that on top of the HD starfield from the HD.  I did the same thing for my Star Wars edit, although the excessively bad quality of the source didn't work so good going into the distance, but yours will probably look okay.  Maybe HD was too far a stretch, especially with the other footage mixed in, but I have a copy of it on my hard drive if I can make it work, but it seems like we're moving toward no.  It's alright, maybe when we get to ROTS things will change. :)

Yes, we need a couple lines from Sluggo and MTHaslett.  I think I told you which lines in the "readme," if not let me know.  Also, Octorox would like to help out (with Jar-Jar maybe) but one of us needs to send him sample dialogue.

Sample dialogue?  We may have to PM about that.  I'll read the readme again for details.

Lots of technical jargon and such I don't understand, but still, fun to see the goings on of this ever-progressing edit. :)

^^This is a good point...I hadn't thought about that.  Deleted scenes are not even available in HD.

As for the lightsabers, unfortunately I don't have just the mattes.  Since I didn't have access to any good effects software, the saber shots you see I actually accomplished by repainting frame by frame on Photoshop.  

Now you know why I haven't gotten to the rest of the shots yet.  It's tedious stuff....

Yes, Deleted sources are used in the movie, as well as from other movies, The Sound of music, Dune, and Blade runner.

The reading of the whole thread as served me well lol

Edit: wow your fast Trooperman, I was just posting

I didn't use anything from Sound of Music.

I must be saying it wrong lol

Did you use it for the medow-waterfall scene with Ani and Padme, rolling hills ect. lol

CAPTAIN,erm, Status Report

I feel lonely. If any of you (TM, paulisdead) respond, and I'm sorry I sound like a 2 year old holding out his hand for candy, but I think to give this project it's long ago morphine shot it deservers(in other words re generate interest) We could have clip(Alas The Cantina scene);]

Good hunting(wait what?) Can't wait to see this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Okay, video editing looks fine.  I finally got past my initial software issues.  I was just prepared to completely give up, when an unrelated issue with some other software coerced me into reformatting the whole damn thing.  I then reinstalled all the necessary programs, and now we're in flavor country, and all the project files have successfully opened.  It took longer than it should have.

Anyway, video looks fine.  There's going to need to be some changes in terms of a couple of scenes.  The only one that comes to mind is the day for night parts that didn't really work out in the end.  But I'll ask TM before I do anything like that.  I tossed in a couple of explosions where they were missing in the first part to whet the ol' whistle a little bit, and tweaked the mix a bit.  I think I'm used to Vegas now and can move more quickly in the future.

I can tell it's definitely mostly done already, though I think a lot might be missing in terms of ambient effects, then again, maybe they're just too quiet, it's hard to find on the project timeline exactly what is what still, you know? TM, how much did you do in terms of ambient fx for scenes?

Hey, anybody who likes sound editing, particulary building atmospheres, there's a way you can help make this go faster, just putting that out there ;).  PM me if interested.

PS I didn't expect school to take over as hard as it did, but I know TM, being at a real university (rather than my little CC...), could never have made the time for this poor thing.  But with the bulk of the real work seeming to be done, I can concentrate enough energy.  Don't worry, and if anyone likes building atmospheres, you can help move this a little faster while I'm sitting here "doing homework" (I know, lame right?)

PSS, I...could post a clip...but wouldn't that ruin it? :(

PaulisDead2221 said:

PSS, I...could post a clip...but wouldn't that ruin it? :(

I think Josh will blow up if you don't, now that you've said that. ;)