I'm gonna throw out a big net here and reply to a bunch of stuff at once. Beware, some of my ramblings will be all over the map!
Bingowings said:
ChainsawAsh said:
Exactly, that was my thought - they never say that Obi-Wan was the one that caused it. It was in the ROTJ novelization IIRC, but never on screen in the OT.
I think we can safely forget everything that wasn't shown on-screen in ANH, ESB and ROTJ when planning for this (unless we are indeed going to keep some of Zahn's Thrawn Trilogy ideas, like the clones, which I think is a great idea).
Once again it's so entrenched in Star Wars lore that to change it would be like making Chewie an Ewok who fell into a chewing gum machine.
In the ROTJ novelization, it also stated that Owen was Ben's brother. We know how George handled that.
This project walks a fine line of acceptance. If it's too close to the official PT, but subtly different (e.g., Princess Jaina Amidala), it might cause some mental dissonance. I think a better approach (and a more interesting challenge) would be to make things as drastically different from the PT as possible, but still have them match up with the OT. That way, we minimize any competing mental images. Does that make any sense?
WheresBlackhawk said:
oh and CRAP i was really starting to dig the idea of getting away from Tatooine except for one silly Obiwan line from ANH...Owen thought Anakin should have stayed HERE and not gotten involved. As I said...CRAP. Erik I really liked your relocating idea...can you make this line not a lie?
This quote goes back a few pages, but I wanted to respond. If Beru is Anakin's sister, as mrbenja, suggests, this will solve the issue. Owen is therefore free to be from any planet. But I'm beginning to wonder if we're setting up a story where we'll be focusing too much on who is related to who and how. That's not what Star Wars is about.
mrbenja0618 said:
Obi-wan Kenobi.. Of course.... But i'm tinkering with the idea of changing his clothes style... It dawned on me while watching A New Hope that Obi-Wan is wearing what would be called Jedi robes in the prequels... But then, what's this? So is Owen! I'm starting to think that what became jedi robes in the prequels were originally just standard attire for Tattooine residents. So, I'm liking the idea that they all wear a wide array of clothes. Anyway, Obi-Wan is not your typical Jedi. He's wreckless, and he takes unneccesary risks. After one of his missions ends in success; his assigned Master Yoda decides that even though the mission ended with the intended result, he accomplished in non Jedi manner.. Yoda assigns him a boring escort mission as punishment.
I think a change in clothes is a good idea. Do the Jedi even need a "uniform"? I envision the Jedi as a loose egalitarian collective, not as a formal hierarchy of council, masters, and apprentices (let's not call them padawans). They can occasionally meet in a coucil (like the pirates in Pirates of the Carribean 3), but there should be no permanent council. The idea of a Jedi Council strikes me as too bureaucratic for the Jedi. Maybe, just maybe, the Jedi could have one they consider the wisest, like the Dali Lama. That could be Yoda, but it doesn't have to be.
So I don't agree with the concept of Obi Wan being given assigments. The Force should lead him to his missions.
If the Jedi are not a military organization, how does Kenobi become a General? I think it would be interesting if he is in the military, but practicing his Jedi religion on the side. This could be an aspect of his wrecklessness. The other Jedi don't necessarily approve, but they have no power whatsoever to curtail or punish him. In this way, he is caught in the middle, not fully trusted by his military comrades, but looked on in a somewhat disapproving manner by his fellow Jedi.
And as long as he eventually becomes a General by the time of the OT, he doesn't need to be a General when he aids Bail Organa in the Clone Wars.
In Episode I, Kenobi is a young officer of the Republic fighting in the Clone Wars. He rescues Yoda in some battle. Yoda senses that the Force is strong in Obi-Wan, and he offers to teach him the ways of the Force. Obi-Wan's instruction is not terribly long - maybe a month. (Remember, in the OT Luke doesn't get all that much training, but Yoda says his training is complete when he dies.) In fact, the instruction could take the form of Yoda accompanying Obi Wan as he fights the enemy throughout the movie. By the end of the episode, the first Clone War is won and Obi Wan has rescued/aided Bail.
mrbenja0618 said:
Bail Organa - My version of this character will have much more substance. He will be the Han Solo of this film. It even explains where Leia got her personality. He's a prince who left Alderraan for his personal adventurous reasons; but once a huge galactic event occurs, he must be found to fulfill his princely duties (Which he despises)... Obi-Wan has been dispatched to find the lost prince and bring him home.
I really like your ideas for Bail, except for the whole "dispatched" part for Kenobi. Maybe some renegade clones have assasinated King Organa, thus sparking the Clone Wars. Kenobi's (military) mission is to extract the prince and safely return him to his home planet.
Bingowings said:
Darth Vader, Dark Lord Of The Sith is such an entrenched part of the Star Wars universe that not addressing it is utterly bonkers, it's like not doing the Clone Wars at all, everyone has heard the term and it deserves a better explanation than a couple of bad guys with red light sabres.
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If he's Dark Lord of it we need to know who or what it is and why he's it's/their Dark Lord.
It doesn't make much sense having the Emperor also a Sith Lord as it turns the Empire into a rather small closed shop.
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The idea of Sith Pirates comes from an earlier draught script : "Led by a young Padawan named Darklighter, who had succumbed to the temptations of the dark side, the evil Sith pirates became the Emperor's bodyguards and hunted down the remaining Jedi." (Star Wars.com) and the term was passed down through books and magazines released during the OT era.
I agree. I think the Sith should be a species, clan, or some organization that has nothing to do with the dark side. So Vader is a (honorary) lord of the Sith, but the Emperor is just a plain-old dark-sider.
Now, what to make the Sith? That's a good question. Thinking...
Maybe we should not see Anakin or the Sith until Episode II.