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Since the idea of midichlorians is universally hated (I hate it bitterly), use of The Force has to be more than spiritual otherwise everyone would be able to tap into it. Every Force user has to be biologically more capable of accessing that unseen power, some more so than others. Being more spiritual isn't going to help in this case.

As for Jedi putting themselves forward for cloning, just as with Darth Vader being a name, it might also show why they are long lifed...

Anyway, it was merely an idea and I think it's not a bad idea - ok, it's a little hokey but hardly a trilogy busting idea...I just think the Clone Wars needs to be more than the fight between the cloned army of one person and a million robots that act like the three stooges...

Edit: the fact that Vader has been involved in a life threatening fight has been part of Star Wars lore since the beginning. You cannot change that he has become crippled due to his fight with Obi-Wan. Whilst it is an interesting idea, I think that there has to be a proper face off between the two once friends which will result in Vader taking on the mask and suit more permanently.

astromech said:

Since the idea of midichlorians is universally hated (I hate it bitterly), use of The Force has to be more than spiritual otherwise everyone would be able to tap into it. Every Force user has to be biologically more capable of accessing that unseen power, some more so than others. Being more spiritual isn't going to help in this case.

As for Jedi putting themselves forward for cloning, just as with Darth Vader being a name, it might also show why they are long lifed...

Anyway, it was merely an idea. I think the Clone Wars needs to be more than the cloned army of one person...

I understand. I just don't like the idea of cloning Jedi...It just doesn't seem right and it doesn't seem Star Wars. The skills of a Jedi should be unique and not able to be cloned. In many ways I find that worse than Midichlorians.

The point of the cloning of the Jedi would show that the skills and powers can't be cloned which turns them mad...if you've read the Zahn trilogy, you'd see that there are no stable Jedi clones...only mad ones who believe themselves to be the original...

astromech said:

The point of the cloning of the Jedi would show that the skills and powers can't be cloned which turns them mad...if you've read the Zahn trilogy, you'd see that there are no stable Jedi clones...only mad ones who believe themselves to be the original...

hmm....no I never read it but I generally don't care much for EU. I personally don't like the idea but I guess it could work.

astromech said:

Since the idea of midichlorians is universally hated (I hate it bitterly), use of The Force has to be more than spiritual otherwise everyone would be able to tap into it. Every Force user has to be biologically more capable of accessing that unseen power, some more so than others. Being more spiritual isn't going to help in this case.

As for Jedi putting themselves forward for cloning, just as with Darth Vader being a name, it might also show why they are long lifed...

Anyway, it was merely an idea and I think it's not a bad idea - ok, it's a little hokey but hardly a trilogy busting idea...I just think the Clone Wars needs to be more than the fight between the cloned army of one person and a million robots that act like the three stooges...

Edit: the fact that Vader has been involved in a life threatening fight has been part of Star Wars lore since the beginning. You cannot change that he has become crippled due to his fight with Obi-Wan. Whilst it is an interesting idea, I think that there has to be a proper face off between the two once friends which will result in Vader taking on the mask and suit more permanently.

We know that Obi-Wan fights Darth Vader (which is why he needs life support) but he could be wearing a variation of his armour during the fight (thus keeping the fact he is Anakin away from the first time audience).

Vader's armour was based on Japanese armour like the Zunari helmet and Mempo :

if this sort of thing was part of the Vader persona he could wear that element all the time and only add the breath screen after his defeat.

Bingowings said:

astromech said:

Since the idea of midichlorians is universally hated (I hate it bitterly), use of The Force has to be more than spiritual otherwise everyone would be able to tap into it. Every Force user has to be biologically more capable of accessing that unseen power, some more so than others. Being more spiritual isn't going to help in this case.

As for Jedi putting themselves forward for cloning, just as with Darth Vader being a name, it might also show why they are long lifed...

Anyway, it was merely an idea and I think it's not a bad idea - ok, it's a little hokey but hardly a trilogy busting idea...I just think the Clone Wars needs to be more than the fight between the cloned army of one person and a million robots that act like the three stooges...

Edit: the fact that Vader has been involved in a life threatening fight has been part of Star Wars lore since the beginning. You cannot change that he has become crippled due to his fight with Obi-Wan. Whilst it is an interesting idea, I think that there has to be a proper face off between the two once friends which will result in Vader taking on the mask and suit more permanently.

We know that Obi-Wan fights Darth Vader (which is why he needs life support) but he could be wearing a variation of his armour during the fight (thus keeping the fact he is Anakin away from the first time audience).

Vader's armour was based on Japanese armour like the Zunari helmet and Mempo :

if this sort of thing was part of the Vader persona he could wear that element all the time and only add the breath screen after his defeat.

 

I think that was one of my suggestions that saw Anakin in disguise as a Jedi vigilante...anyway, I was commenting on how far off the path things were going with the whole Anakin-Vader and use of Dark powers adding to his ailments. There are some things which are fixed and we won't be able to change them, but we can change aspects of how things happen and make them grander - so long as they eventually fit well together.

On a slightly different note, a brand new Samurai suit was commissioned for the first time in decades to commemorate Darth Vader and his Samuari origins during last year's 'celebrations': http://toybotstudios.blogspot.com/2007/06/darth-vader-samurai-armor.html

astromech said:

Bingowings said:

astromech said:

Since the idea of midichlorians is universally hated (I hate it bitterly), use of The Force has to be more than spiritual otherwise everyone would be able to tap into it. Every Force user has to be biologically more capable of accessing that unseen power, some more so than others. Being more spiritual isn't going to help in this case.

As for Jedi putting themselves forward for cloning, just as with Darth Vader being a name, it might also show why they are long lifed...

Anyway, it was merely an idea and I think it's not a bad idea - ok, it's a little hokey but hardly a trilogy busting idea...I just think the Clone Wars needs to be more than the fight between the cloned army of one person and a million robots that act like the three stooges...

Edit: the fact that Vader has been involved in a life threatening fight has been part of Star Wars lore since the beginning. You cannot change that he has become crippled due to his fight with Obi-Wan. Whilst it is an interesting idea, I think that there has to be a proper face off between the two once friends which will result in Vader taking on the mask and suit more permanently.

We know that Obi-Wan fights Darth Vader (which is why he needs life support) but he could be wearing a variation of his armour during the fight (thus keeping the fact he is Anakin away from the first time audience).

Vader's armour was based on Japanese armour like the Zunari helmet and Mempo :

if this sort of thing was part of the Vader persona he could wear that element all the time and only add the breath screen after his defeat.

 

I think that was one of my suggestions that saw Anakin in disguise as a Jedi vigilante...anyway, I was commenting on how far off the path things were going with the whole Anakin-Vader and use of Dark powers adding to his ailments. There are some things which are fixed and we won't be able to change them, but we can change aspects of how things happen and make them grander - so long as they eventually fit well together.

On a slightly different note, a brand new Samurai suit was commissioned for the first time in decades to commemorate Darth Vader and his Samuari origins during last year's 'celebrations': http://toybotstudios.blogspot.com/2007/06/darth-vader-samurai-armor.html

 

Oh I love it!

This may seem like a silly question, but where in the OT (on screen, I mean) does it say that Ben is the cause of Vader needing life support?  If we really want to preserve Vader is Luke's daddy, we almost have to wait until he is Vader before Obiwan and Anakin fight. Like the idea of the 2 student battle leading to Anakin needing life support.

Exactly, that was my thought - they never say that Obi-Wan was the one that caused it.  It was in the ROTJ novelization IIRC, but never on screen in the OT.

I think we can safely forget everything that wasn't shown on-screen in ANH, ESB and ROTJ when planning for this (unless we are indeed going to keep some of Zahn's Thrawn Trilogy ideas, like the clones, which I think is a great idea).

I'm working on writing my frist draft of my Episode 1.... I thought you might want to see the character break down so far.

Obi-wan Kenobi.. Of course.... But i'm tinkering with the idea of changing his clothes style... It dawned on me while watching A New Hope that Obi-Wan is wearing what would be called Jedi robes in the prequels... But then, what's this? So is Owen! I'm starting to think that what became jedi robes in the prequels were originally just standard attire for Tattooine residents. So, I'm liking the idea that they all wear a wide array of clothes. Anyway, Obi-Wan is not your typical Jedi. He's wreckless, and he takes unneccesary risks. After one of his missions ends in success; his assigned Master Yoda decides that even though the mission ended with the intended result, he accomplished in non Jedi manner.. Yoda assigns him a boring escort mission as punishment.

Bail Organa - My version of this character will have much more substance. He will be the Han Solo of this film. It even explains where Leia got her personality.  He's a prince who left Alderraan for his personal adventurous reasons; but once a huge galactic event occurs, he must be found to fulfill his princely duties (Which he despises)... Obi-Wan has been dispatched to find the lost prince and bring him home.

Kane Skywalker - Father of Beru and Anakin Skywalker. Kane is a simple moisture farmer on Tattooine and appreciates his life, and loves his kids with a fiery passion. His wife died when giving birth to Anakin. He will remind you of Qui-Gon in nature; but will not be a Jedi....Or is he?

Beru Skywalker - The teenage daughter of Kane. When she's not working the farm, she's thinking of Owen. At the moment Kane can't stand him.

Anakin Skywalker - 14 years old, and very quiet. Has a good nature, and only speaks when he has something of substance to say.

Master Yoda - Must I say more? Besides that he is ACTUALLY Obi-Wan's master! =)

Princess Jaina Amidala - I always hated the name PADME, so I went for her future granddaughters name. It works. Oh, and she IS THE SAME AGE AS ANAKIN!!!!  More on her later.

Mon Mothma - She will have a larger role at some point. I want the characters that have bit parts in the OT to have larger roles in the prequels so that when you finally see them in OT you get a strong sense of history; and hopefully fond history.

King Leonis Organa - Father of Bail. They are having a family issue. =)

Ok, I gotta get busy. Maybe this will do for now. Comments are welcomed.

I never read the Zahn books so what's his take on clones?

ChainsawAsh said:

Exactly, that was my thought - they never say that Obi-Wan was the one that caused it.  It was in the ROTJ novelization IIRC, but never on screen in the OT.

I think we can safely forget everything that wasn't shown on-screen in ANH, ESB and ROTJ when planning for this (unless we are indeed going to keep some of Zahn's Thrawn Trilogy ideas, like the clones, which I think is a great idea).

Once again it's so entrenched in Star Wars lore that to change it would be like making Chewie an Ewok who fell into a chewing gum machine.

I thought the whole idea of this was that nothing is entrenched in this new PT.  We just need to make sure we don't contradict the OT.

Besides Han calls chewie a wookie...not an ewok ;-)

Anyone try Iclone software.... Maybe it could be used to make this?

What about making Tarkin a close advisor to the king on Aldeeran who is spineless and plans against him behind his back? And what about making The twin's mom an Organa, the wife of Bail, who has an affair with Anakin, and then she dies and Bail remarries?

Also I think it's important that Anakin has a really seedy and unknown past, hence my idea of him being adopted.

You guys are all suggesting that Jedi be trained as adults but wasn't Luke "To old to begin the training"

People, we need to stop feeling like we HAVE to include certain things because they're "entrenched in Star Wars lore."  For our purposes, the ONLY things that are "entrenched in the lore" are anything seen or heard on-screen in STAR WARS, THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, and RETURN OF THE JEDI.  That is IT.

That means we DON'T KNOW how Anakin got scarred.  It could have been in a duel with Obi-Wan, but maybe not.

We have NEVER HEARD of "Sith."  Sure, Vader is mentioned as a Dark Lord in the OT, but never is the word "Sith" uttered.  I don't think it needs to be, and I don't think that Palpatine and Vader need to be a part of any organization other than the Empire.  They are using the Force outside of the Jedi Order, tapping into the "dark side," but I don't see why they need to be part of any sort of organization.

Everyone's coming up with some fantastic ideas, but for every step forward, we take two back when we feel we can't change something because it's "too entrenched in Star Wars lore."  If you look at it that way, what's the point of doing any of this?  The prequels are pretty fucking entrenched in Star Wars lore if you ask me.

Breathe, ChainsawAsh, It's all good.  It may just take some time to get everyone on the same page.  Patience is a virtue.  I'm with ya, man.  Like you and Erik said, if we pay too much attention to the prequels or the EU or the old scripts we have already blown the CONCEPT we were going for.  A few pages back I posted THE FACTS as SHOWN in the OT.  Those are really the ONLY things we need to stick to.  As someone previously said, this PT should be exciting whether you watch it 4-6, 1-3 or 1-6.  If we only stick to the facts, it will make the whole project more exciting for the viewer, because they won't know what to expect.

Erik... I like some of your ideas, but i don't think we have the time to spend an entire movie on just Obiwan's development.  AND I think we really need to try to make Yoda a PRESENCE without being PRESENT.  He should be built up as being, frankly, the most powerful Jedi, but not seen on screen to make his appearance in ESB that much more of a surprise.  Luke was surprised...after all the build up, so should we.

Still curious about people's ideas for the wars.

Phantom Menace concept art. better than the farmer robes.

and sweet Republic starfighter concept art that actually looks less advanced

WheresBlackhawk said:

Breathe, ChainsawAsh, It's all good.  It may just take some time to get everyone on the same page.  Patience is a virtue.  I'm with ya, man.  Like you and Erik said, if we pay too much attention to the prequels or the EU or the old scripts we have already blown the CONCEPT we were going for.  A few pages back I posted THE FACTS as SHOWN in the OT.  Those are really the ONLY things we need to stick to.  As someone previously said, this PT should be exciting whether you watch it 4-6, 1-3 or 1-6.  If we only stick to the facts, it will make the whole project more exciting for the viewer, because they won't know what to expect.

Erik... I like some of your ideas, but i don't think we have the time to spend an entire movie on just Obiwan's development.  AND I think we really need to try to make Yoda a PRESENCE without being PRESENT.  He should be built up as being, frankly, the most powerful Jedi, but not seen on screen to make his appearance in ESB that much more of a surprise.  Luke was surprised...after all the build up, so should we.

Still curious about people's ideas for the wars.

Sorry if I came across as a jerk in my last post, I really didn't mean to.  I have a very set idea of what I'd like this to be, but it's difficult for me to communicate that in words since it's not fully-formulated in my head, either.

That concept art is pretty interesting.  We should take a look at some OT-era unused McQuarrie art, too - he had some good stuff that wasn't used if I recall.

BTW, my real name is Erik, so if I get mixed up and think you're talking to me when you're talking to Erikstormtrooper, I apologize in advance.  It's already starting to get confusing to me.

Here's some Ralph Mcquarrie Coruscant art.

http://www.sithtower.de/sithtower/blue/index.php?title=Coruscant&file=coruscant

Honestly, I doesn't really look much different than how it ended up in the prequels, same with Aldeeran. About the Jedi robes: how would you explain why Yoda, Ben and Anakin all wear Jedi robes as ghosts in the end of ROTJ?

Octorox said:

Here's some Ralph Mcquarrie Coruscant art.

http://www.sithtower.de/sithtower/blue/index.php?title=Coruscant&file=coruscant

 

Honestly, I doesn't really look much different than how it ended up in the prequels, same with Aldeeran. About the Jedi robes: how would you explain why Yoda, Ben and Anakin all wear Jedi robes as ghosts in the end of ROTJ?

Obi-Wan wore Tattooine farmer clothes like Owen. That much is obvious. I figure that Yoda made his from some material he had hanging around after his original clothing wore out on Dagobah perhaps. Or perhaps to set Yoda apart he always wore some basic scruffy robes. And Anakin appearance shows how he's in harmony with them. Like how he would have appeared if he stayed on Tattooine to farm moisture with Owen (brother/step-brother/whatever).

Plus it makes sense that Luke's attire in ROTJ was based on what the Jedi wore except more minimalist.