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ImperialFighter
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STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"ADYWAN - 12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW
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25-Jan-2009, 1:37 PM

Adywan, I was hoping to post a few little AT-AT-related things today, but since taking a look at the various points of the recent post by vaderios, I've discovered a couple of troublesome things with the 'Vader on 'Executor' Bridge' shots in general, that I wanted to get out of the way first, while it's fresh in my mind.  You are probably aware of most of this, even though I wasn't (I previously just 'went with the flow of the action', and didn't notice), but it turns out to be a whole new 'continuity' nightmare, lol!!

 

I don't have screenshots for everyone here at the moment, unfortunately, so I will just be able to give PAL timings/descriptions of where the issues in question are, as I go through them -

At 1:52:17, we see Vader first enter the 'Executor's' Bridge, and walk towards the 'alcove' section on the right-hand side, where Admiral Piett is.  (note the bottom-section of the 'Bridge' entrance that Vader's cloak brushes against at the start of the shot, as I'll come back to it)

At 1:52:22, we see a side-on 'close-up' of Admiral Piett and Vader standing beside the smaller side-windows in the 'alcove' section (as seen above in the top shot of vaderios' post), as Vader starts to say "Did your men deactivate the hyperdrive on the Millennium Falcon?"

At 1:52:27, we see a frontal 'close-up' of Vader's mask, with his back to an 'array of lights' (note the big red round one, as I'll come back to it) inside the 'alcove' section, as he says "Good.  Prepare the boarding party, and set your weapons for 'Stun'."  (he then turns to look out of the smaller windows beside him, as the scene ends at 1:52:33)

Then we cut to an approx. minute-long mixture of 'Falcon crew antics' as they continue to be chased from underneath Bespin City, which culminates in the Millennium Falcon being chased towards the middle of the side-on 'Executor' in the distance by 3 closely-firing TIEs, before it veers off to the right towards the general direction of the front of the 'Executor'....

At 1:53:01, we now cut back to Vader, who has now moved forward in the intervening minute, to look out of a bigger window on the Bridge (as seen above in the second-last shot of vaderious' post), as he watches the distant Falcon diving downwards somewhere towards the front of the 'Executor'....

(Ady -  would you consider adding a hint of the 3 TIEs firing behind the distant Falcon that Vader looks out at, during this shot?  It could really help to tie-in better with the 'before' and 'after' shots where the Falcon is chased by the TIEs.  Just a thought)

Now here's where things get a little COMPLICATED....because it's at this point that I have to disagree with the previous speculation by vaderios, that Vader is actually looking out of the 'side-window' that he's indicated with the number 3....

....because we now cut to 2 frontal 'close-ups' of Vader's mask at 1:53:04 and 1:53:08 respectively, as we hear the words "Luke", followed by "Son, come with me" -   The problem I have in believing that Vader is standing at the big 'side-window', is the fact that the background shown behind Vader in these 2 shots now, is NOT the expected opposite side of the 'Bridge'!  The 'Bridge' is somewhat symmetrical, so we should be seeing some of the other windows on the other side, behind Vader at this point, if he was meant to be looking out one of the big 'side-windows'.... 

Instead, the background that we see behind Vader at this point looks like an 'out-of-focus' closed doorway that suspiciously looks like the doorway that we more clearly see on the right-hand side of Vader as he exits down the 'steps' from the 'Bridge' later on....  

Also, I personally always believed that Vader had moved all the way forward to the very front big window of the 'Bridge' during the intervening minute since he was last seen at the smaller 'alcove' windows....so that he could follow the view of the trajectory of the Falcon's previous veer right to go downwards towards the right-hand side of the 'Executor's' prow, way in front of him....and where he stayed to privately 'converse' with Luke, away from the other crewmembers, until the Falcon escaped, before eventually turning round to exit the 'Bridge'.  However, if this is the case, then we should really be seeing an 'out-of-focus' open entrance directly behind him in these 2 shots now, rather than the current 'closed doorway'....  (Although I'm sure you are able to tweak the current shot a little, so that we don't see the 'closed doors' anymore, if you agree that this is where Vader is actually positioned now) 

Anyway, the 2nd shot of Vader's latest frontal 'close-up' ends at 1:53:12, and we then cut to approx. 30 seconds worth of scenes showing Luke and the crew, and the Falcon passing closely alongside the prow of the 'Executor', before eventually passing it.... 

At 1:53:42, we now cut back to a more side-on 'close-up' of Vader's mask facing the right of the frame, as we hear the words "Luke, it is your destiny" (remember the 'flashing lights' background of the initial 'alcove' section he entered?  Well a similar backdrop is now seen behind him again, except in reverse!  The big red round light is the other way round now, for instance)

This makes it look that he has now moved into the 'alcove' on the LEFT-hand side of the 'Bridge', but I still like to think that he is still standing in front of the big front window, as the Falcon (which he has been watching from there) has only just passed in front of the tip of the 'Executor's' prow at this point....  So unless he's 'wandered off' into the left 'alcove' briefly, from his position up front....then the background in this shot should really be some of the 'Bridge' windows on the left of his 'at front' position...

So now, this shot of Vader ends at 1:53:46, and we then cut to approx. 45 seconds worth of scenes showing the 3 TIEs still chasing the Millennium Falcon, as Admiral Piett prepares to use the 'tractor beam', just before Artoo fixes the hyperdrive, and the Falcon escapes....

At 1:54:30, we now cut back to a 'close-up' of the back of Vader's helmet, as he looks out of a big window. 

AT 1:54:37, we see that Vader has been looking out of the big front window, as he turns around to exit the 'Bridge'. 

However....we clearly see in this shot (as well as earlier on, when Vader watched the Fleet massing) that the sides of the 'open entrance' to the 'Bridge' are WIDER now, compared to when he initially enters it at 1:52:17, or when he exits it too! 

Ontop of that, we clearly see that the whole floor area approach to the 'Bridge' is FLAT now, and that there are no 'steps' for Vader to exit down!!

Finally, at 1:54:50....as we see Vader now exit the narrower 'Bridge' entrance to go down the 'steps' that suddenly appear there....we also see that a crewmember holding some device or other is firmly rooted to the spot as Vader passes him, whereas he wasn't standing there in front of the 'Bridge' entrance in the shot beforehand!

 

LOL!  As Han once said to Chewie -  "I don't know how we're gonna get out of this one...."

I haven't a clue what you will decide to try to do in any of this sequence Ady, or what you'll agree with out of the above, but I won't be expecting miracles....  However things pan out, I realise that some of this is probably unfixable.... 

No worries, it's still gonna be a monster of an improvement over the current release.  :)

Next stop (hopefully....), the AT-AT's!  Yay!  :)