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Better yet, Qui Gon could have been the Seperatist leader in Episode II.

Cool indeed, and a nice way to not have too many characters with only 5 minutes of screening presence.

I really do feel personally that if whoever involved is really this serious; it needs to begin with a clean slate. It needs to be re-written completely.

I know how to screenwrite, and I even have some ideas about what could be. If anyone wants me to take a stab at writing a screenplay for this; I would be glad to. Even if it's just to read and reject it. It would be fun just to work on it.

Clone Wars should be between Mandalorian clones and Republic Clones. though Palpatine should still be the one behind it all. it would require at least a newly designed Clonetrooper helmet. One scene could have Boba Fett in battle taking out a load of Clonetroopers single handedly using his flamethrower or something. but there shouldn't be any more of him seen at all

no more farmer's robes as Jedi clothing. should be more like the Phantom Menace concept art and ROTS concept art for Anakin. they are much more closely related to Luke's attire in ROTJ.

(How does someone go from being a Jedi to a Count anyway?)

I guess "Count Dooku" was an hommage to Lee's "Count Dracula". Another "cool" idea from George.

mrbenja0618 said:

I really do feel personally that if whoever involved is really this serious; it needs to begin with a clean slate. It needs to be re-written completely.

 

I know how to screenwrite, and I even have some ideas about what could be. If anyone wants me to take a stab at writing a screenplay for this; I would be glad to. Even if it's just to read and reject it. It would be fun just to work on it.

 

No takers, huh? lol

Erikstormtrooper said:

(How does someone go from being a Jedi to a Count anyway?)

Well, you get George to move you from the Good to the Bad side of the Force...seems all Jedi are either Knights or Masters and the Sith are Lords and Counts...! Or you join the Muppets and become The Count - 1, 2 Jedi...2 Jedi on the end of my sword mwahahaha!!

As for the earlier suggestion that Anakin should start off young - well that wasted an entire movie...! :p I still think he should start off in his 20s and move on from there. Lose the sulkiness and sullen teen which does nothing to endear you to him and distance the fall into the Dark Side. Using flashbacks you can then explore aspects of his life that show he was good and this would strengthen Padme's (or whatever else you decide to call her) ascertion that there is still good in him when Obi-Wan does his sword of fury thing on him.

I still think everyone here is being WAY too tied down to the prequels as they are.  If we do this, we really need to start 100% from scratch, as if we're George and crew writing this in 1983, just after ROTJ has been released.  Not "What if Qui-Gon is the villain in II?" - instead we need to be thinking "Do we need Qui-Gon's character, or can Yoda or even Obi-Wan himself fill the role of the mentor?"  Instead of "How can we make Naboo's Gungans less annoying," we should be thinking "Okay, let's set this on Alderaan, focusing on Bail Organa and his daughter," or something to that effect.

Let's pretend the prequels never happened and write our own!  If we don't do that, what's the point of animating three whole movies from scratch?  Just edit the prequels if you just want to change things.  If you're making three whole movies yourself, why wouldn't you scrap everything you've seen and do it *right* instead of trying to fix something that's irreparably broken?

RE the droids thing, hey, if they work into the story we create, awesome.  But if you try to force them in there just because you feel that they should be in every movie, then you sacrifice quality for fan service, and that's what we're trying to avoid after the fiasco that was the prequels.

No takers, huh? lol

I guess we just trow ideas for now. I think that, if we really want it to be made, we need to have some of us to write complete stories (I mean just 2 or 3 pages, not real scripts). Then take the best ideas for a final story that please everyone. That would be a good start.

But franckly, making hours of good, coherent, CGI movie would required an incredible amount of time and coordination efforts that I am not sure we can achieved, even with all the best intentions.

But maybe we can focus on making a nice short movie that shows some good ideas of what could have been the prequels, I don't know.

ChainsawAsh said:

I still think everyone here is being WAY too tied down to the prequels as they are.  If we do this, we really need to start 100% from scratch, as if we're George and crew writing this in 1983, just after ROTJ has been released.  Not "What if Qui-Gon is the villain in II?" - instead we need to be thinking "Do we need Qui-Gon's character, or can Yoda or even Obi-Wan himself fill the role of the mentor?"  Instead of "How can we make Naboo's Gungans less annoying," we should be thinking "Okay, let's set this on Alderaan, focusing on Bail Organa and his daughter," or something to that effect.

Let's pretend the prequels never happened and write our own!  If we don't do that, what's the point of animating three whole movies from scratch?  Just edit the prequels if you just want to change things.  If you're making three whole movies yourself, why wouldn't you scrap everything you've seen and do it *right* instead of trying to fix something that's irreparably broken?

RE the droids thing, hey, if they work into the story we create, awesome.  But if you try to force them in there just because you feel that they should be in every movie, then you sacrifice quality for fan service, and that's what we're trying to avoid after the fiasco that was the prequels.

I agree with you there. It can't be approached like an edit. The problem is that I think the character of Qui-Gon is necessary. I suppose I'll draft up a story idea soon. I personally think the prequels should fully show Anakin's rise as a jedi and fall from the dark side. It should be a complete study of character as he matures and just how he becomes Darth Vader as we know him in the original. The grander, more detached and theatrical tone of the prequel's is the best way to show the Empire's rise to power as well as Anakin's fall IMO. I think George should be given credit for making bad movies out of good ideas.

TMBTM said:

No takers, huh? lol

I guess we just trow ideas for now. I think that, if we really want it to be made, we need to have some of us to write complete stories (I mean just 2 or 3 pages, not real scripts). Then take the best ideas for a final story that please everyone. That would be a good start.

But franckly, making hours of good, coherent, CGI movie would required an incredible amount of time and coordination efforts that I am not sure we can achieved, even with all the best intentions.

But maybe we can focus on making a nice short movie that shows some good ideas of what could have been the prequels, I don't know.

Who says it has to be CG. It could be 2D animation or even stop motion animation.

I'll throw down an outline later just for kicks... And mine will require you to delete all memories of the prequels...

Don't need no Qui-Gon. Original script just had Obi-Wan and Obi-Wan actually pretty much acted like Qui-Gon and talked like him. if i remember correctly.

Remember back in ANH Od Ben mentioned Owen not wanting Anakin getting involved with the Clone Wars. Aunt Beru remarked that Luke was not a farmer he had too much of his father him in and Owen was like "that's what I'm afraid of". There was a lot of familiarity there. Maybe they were brothers. why couldn't they be?

Vader would have no reason to go there if he had no knowledge of his offspring. And his brother was of no importance to him.

OzoneSherrif said:

Don't need no Qui-Gon. Original script just had Obi-Wan and Obi-Wan actually pretty much acted like Qui-Gon and talked like him. if i remember correctly.

Remember back in ANH Od Ben mentioned Owen not wanting Anakin getting involved with the Clone Wars. Aunt Beru remarked that Luke was not a farmer he had too much of his father him in and Owen was like "that's what I'm afraid of". There was a lot of familiarity there. Maybe they were brothers. why couldn't they be?

Vader would have no reason to go there if he had no knowledge of his offspring. And his brother was of no importance to him.

Qui-Gon could be replaced with Yoda IMO to show Ben's uncomfortability in training Anakin. However, Yoda and Ben/Anakin would have to be separated with no communication for a long length of time. Otherwise he could just go to Yoda for help. In the original trilogy he says something like "I thought I could do as good a job as Yoda, I was wrong" (sorry paraphrasing here)

Who says it has to be CG.

Mmm, maybe the guy who started this thread...? ;)

But I agree, he also talked about 2D. And I also think a combination of technics could be helpfull for a project like that.

i think i'd prefer a 2d approach.

Alright.  I'm on a new 'net connection.  Here's hoping I can post these now.

About the production process:

What needs to happen is, as TMBTM said, we need to kick around ideas.  Everyone who wants to help out should come up with outlines, then we should try to agree on the best elements.  Then, a couple people should write screenplays based on those outlines (note that we should be writing for all three at once BEFORE we start any animating).  Then, we can compare scripts, combine and revise them, until we have something everyone is satisfied with.  Then we'd have three 90-120 page scripts (feature film length) for our Episode I, II, and III.

Then we'd need to begin the conceptual process - the artists on board should come up with ideas for the look and feel of the locations, characters, weapons, vehicles, et cetera.  Once we're decided on those, we need to get voice actors.  Have open auditions, we post dialogue from each character we'd need dialogue for, then have people record the lines in character, and pick and choose the best (not limited to one character per actor, either - if one person works for several parts, they can have all the parts they'd work for).  *Then* we can begin the animation process, matching lip-sync of already-recorded dialogue, animating full shots from storyboards.  Then, send the shots to an editor, who cuts the video together.  Then send that off to a sound editor (if the editor chosen works for sound editing too, then fantastic), then get that mixed (which I can have done easily and well), then it's basically ready for distribution.Not so hard, eh?

Awesome, it worked.  Now for my basic-overall-skeleton-of-an-idea for the "new" trilogy:

Episode I should establish the galaxy as being a good place, peaceful and just.  But as the film goes on, we start to understand that there's something terribly wrong bubbling beneath the surface.  Anakin should be about Luke's age or older, and should be exactly as Obi-Wan described him in ANH (I like Bingowings' ideas here).

Episode II should show this darkness spreading, to the point where, while Anakin is learning the ways of the Force from Obi-Wan, he starts to realize that the utopian Republic he used to know isn't what it seems.  Palpatine should start to be a force in Anakin's life here, and should start subtly manipulating him into thinking that the Jedi are the reason for this trouble.

Episode III should occur during the Clone Wars.  Rumors of "Darth Vader," a Dark Jedi that no one has ever seen and lived to describe, should begin to circulate while Obi-Wan and Anakin fight in the Wars.  At this time, Anakin is a Jedi Knight and Obi-Wan is training another, much more rash, impulsive and potentially dangerous student, who disappears and is presumed dead.  Slowly, Obi-Wan should become aware that there's something wrong with Anakin.  They confront one another, they fight, and it appears that Obi-Wan kills Anakin.  Later, Darth Vader comes in, he and Obi-Wan fight, and Vader reveals that Obi-Wan was his master.  (This way, we know Anakin was starting to become evil, but don't know which of Obi-Wan's students is Vader until ESB.  In ANH, we believe that Obi-Wan is lying about Anakin because he doesn't want Luke to know that he killed him, but that he's telling the truth about the identity of Vader)

Naturally, this is just a very bare-bones sketch of my idea of where things should go, and doesn't yet take into account the fall of the Republic and the rise of the Empire, or Luke and Leia, or Palpatine, or Yoda, etc.

The fall of the Republic should be a very gradual thing over the course of the three films, and the birth of the Rebellion should occur in Episode III.

I think the clones in the Clone Wars should be treated the way clones were treated in Zahn's books (not just because I like the books, but because I think the idea of the presence of clones being like a void in the Force is very intriguing).

Threepio, if involved, should NOT be built by Anakin and should be presented throughout all 3 movies as being complete, not as a skeleton, then dirty as hell, then nice and shiny.

And that's all I have for now.  I still think this is a great idea and I really hope something comes of it.

Later, Darth Vader comes in, he and Obi-Wan fight, and Vader reveals that Obi-Wan was his master.  (This way, we know Anakin was starting to become evil, but don't know which of Obi-Wan's students is Vader until ESB.

I always thought Lucas should have done something like that. A new prequels story arc needs the "who is Vader" approach, and don't need an answer until ESB. Maybe even without giving any hint. The main character of the prequel could be Obi-Wan and not Anakin. Obi struggling against the rise of Palapatine.

The PT should most certainly include Anakin's story, but when you start talking about depicting Anakin's turn to the Dark side, you enter dangerous territory with respects to the reveal in ESB (whch I think MUST be preserved).  The best way to go about it is to have Anakin start acting under the Darth Vader moniker as basically a Jedi hitman, but you have no idea that it's him - the Darth Vader thing is going on parallel to Obi-Wan/Anakin's story.  You get hints that Anakin isn't quite a saint, but the real "turn" happened long ago and it's really just about the breaking down of his cover as a Jedi, which culminates in Obi-Wan discovering that Anakin is evil (but not that Anakin *is* Vader), then he confronts him and apparently kills him.  The lie in ANH could just be Obi-Wan covering up the fact that he killed Anakin, which would alarm Luke quite a bit.

Then toward the end of Episode III, Obi-Wan confronts Vader in full suit and armor, but by the end of the duel, Vader says "You taught me well, Master" or something to that effect.  Giving Obi-Wan another student that blatantly turned evil as well is basically a fake-out to the audience, who assumes "Oh, so Vader is _________!" until ESB.

Also, for someone watching this new saga from I-VI will assume it's all about Obi-Wan until his death in IV.  You don't realize that the through-line for all 6 movies is really Anakin's fall and redemption until ESB.

It also makes sense, then, as to why Vader's role in ANH is much less than his role in any other film (including Anakin as "Vader") - you think he's just another villain from the first time you see him, rather than being a major protagonist who all of a sudden turns into a villain with 25 minutes of screentime in the next movie.

The lie in ANH could just be Obi-Wan covering up the fact that he killed Anakin, which would alarm Luke quite a bit.

Yeah, but if Obi kills Anakin not knowing he is Vader that would be a little strange in ROTJ when Yoda and Obi seam to know it. I guess we could assume that they discovered the truth between EP3 and EP4; or add a scene in our "new prequels" where Yoda tells Obi that the Jedi have discovered the identity of Vader but the audience never knows until ESB.

God it's tricky.

Perhaps you'd have Anakin acting as a renegade Jedi wearing armour not dissimilar to Vader's eventual setup. That way, Vader simply slips into lifesupporting armour based on his look rather than be given it for no apparent reason when he is beaten by Obi-Wan. Since GL swung the emphasis onto Anakin/Vader, then make Vader a bigger part of the myth, as if he is a separate character and push the suspicion off him until ESB. That way Obi-Wan could fight Vader as he implies in ANH and right at the end, when Vader is beaten you could have him revert to Anakin for a brief moment that allows Obi-Wan to discover who he is...?

I do agree that you should have Anakin's story, but have it not so projected as it was throughout the PT...it was almost like 'here's a good boy, wanting nothing and giving everything. But wait, he's exhibiting signs of darkness and he's starting to wear dark clothing so he must be a bad person now.' You need to have a certain amount of ambiguity to tie up enough with the original trilogy and the revelations it reveals.

astromech said:

Perhaps you'd have Anakin acting as a renegade Jedi wearing armour not dissimilar to Vader's eventual setup. That way, Vader simply slips into lifesupporting armour based on his look rather than be given it for no apparent reason when he is beaten by Obi-Wan. Since GL swung the emphasis onto Anakin/Vader, then make Vader a bigger part of the myth, as if he is a separate character and push the suspicion off him until ESB. That way Obi-Wan could fight Vader as he implies in ANH and right at the end, when Vader is beaten you could have him revert to Anakin for a brief moment that allows Obi-Wan to discover who he is...?

I do agree that you should have Anakin's story, but have it not so projected as it was throughout the PT...it was almost like 'here's a good boy, wanting nothing and giving everything. But wait, he's exhibiting signs of darkness and he's starting to wear dark clothing so he must be a bad person now.' You need to have a certain amount of ambiguity to tie up enough with the original trilogy and the revelations it reveals.

 

I agree. He shouldn't back and forth from good to bad like in the prequels. He should be ambiguous and internally conflicted.

ChainsawAsh said:

The PT should most certainly include Anakin's story, but when you start talking about depicting Anakin's turn to the Dark side, you enter dangerous territory with respects to the reveal in ESB (whch I think MUST be preserved).  The best way to go about it is to have Anakin start acting under the Darth Vader moniker as basically a Jedi hitman, but you have no idea that it's him - the Darth Vader thing is going on parallel to Obi-Wan/Anakin's story.  You get hints that Anakin isn't quite a saint, but the real "turn" happened long ago and it's really just about the breaking down of his cover as a Jedi, which culminates in Obi-Wan discovering that Anakin is evil (but not that Anakin *is* Vader), then he confronts him and apparently kills him.  The lie in ANH could just be Obi-Wan covering up the fact that he killed Anakin, which would alarm Luke quite a bit.

Then toward the end of Episode III, Obi-Wan confronts Vader in full suit and armor, but by the end of the duel, Vader says "You taught me well, Master" or something to that effect.  Giving Obi-Wan another student that blatantly turned evil as well is basically a fake-out to the audience, who assumes "Oh, so Vader is _________!" until ESB.

Also, for someone watching this new saga from I-VI will assume it's all about Obi-Wan until his death in IV.  You don't realize that the through-line for all 6 movies is really Anakin's fall and redemption until ESB.

It also makes sense, then, as to why Vader's role in ANH is much less than his role in any other film (including Anakin as "Vader") - you think he's just another villain from the first time you see him, rather than being a major protagonist who all of a sudden turns into a villain with 25 minutes of screentime in the next movie.

I definitely think Anakin should at least be a bit younger than Luke in the first movie. There needs to be more time to show the Empire's fall. Maybe like 15 or 16?