negative1 said:Vaderisnothayden said:bkev said:yea, that whole "ZOMG SPACE IMPREGNATION" thing is probably the worst part of the PT. At least, I think so...
It was awful. It was arrogant and it didn't fit at all. It made the Star wars universe that bit less real.
the star wars universe was never 'real' to begin with in the first place (see lightsaber,
spaceship flying physics, hyperspace, the force, etc, etc, etc)...
this didn't change one bit of that at all, that's like saying because : 'a' was real,
and 'b' was less real, that makes 'a' less real... there's no logic to that statement that a lot
of people are claiming.... when you start off with a untrue statement (ie: your assertion
that star wars was 'real'), and then conjecture the follow up statement is true :(ie : the
virgin birth is 'unreal')... then you can never logically make the claim the first statement
was ever true in the first place...
i still have no idea why people have trouble NOT believing in midichrolians or
anything that lucas comes up with... if you take the first trilogy as canon, or
a closed set of values (logically speaking) .. and you extend it with the values
from the prequel trilogies, it does not NEGATE the original values.... yes, aesthetically
it may bother you, and it may not be your preference, BUT YOU COULD NEVER ARGUE
LOGICALLY that there is a falsehood, or negation of the original values because lucas
left the entire saga as AN OPEN SET of values, that could be extended however he felt
like...
i have no problem with any of the explanations or convolutions that have occured, why?
because everything doesn't have to FIT LOGICALLY for it to 'work' for me... i'm open to
whatever incidents occured and changes were made..yeah han shot first, the first time!
but not after that...to some people that is their reality..... and if its not yours, then ignore it.
you don't like the explanation of the force? then ignore it... lucas is not FORCING YOU to
believe everything he says, its just another explanation..
if you're looking for logical or reasonable CLOSURE (which it seems a lot of you are) to
the series, its mythos, its values, and ideals, you WILL NEVER BE ABLE to reconcile it
with the prequels, because that's a logical fallacy (as i described above)..
It was part of this transformation of Anakin into a messiah figure and making the whole story of Star Wars revolve around him.
again, depending on how you saw the movies, and in which order you saw it,
this may be true.. not an issue.. (logically speaking)
Lucas likes to say how Star Wars is the story of Darth Vader, but we still remember the time when it was the story of Luke Skywalker.
careful how you use the word 'we'.... i know what you're talking about, but not everyone does.
look, i don't mean to be arguing semantics, or reducing arguments to absurdist statements
(this isn't exactly logic theory class)........ but everytime i see : statement p (false) and statement q (false)-> implies statement p(less false)... it bothers me..
and yes, you can sue me for being a math major.
later
-1
The Star Wars universe was never realistic, but just because you have unrealistic things doesn't mean you can't have a certain level of believability and pretend realism. The original films set up a certain level of pretend realism and lightsabers etc worked fine with that. Virgin births do not. And all that was really obvious and shouldn't need to be explained to you. There was nothing illogical in what I said, rather your understanding of its logic was limited.
lucas left the entire saga as AN OPEN SET of values, that could be extended however he felt like...
No he didn't. The original trilogy implied certain boundaries. Which is why the early Marvel comics giant green rabbit doesn't fit and Jar Jar doesn't fit. Maybe you can't see how the original films express those boundaries, but a lot of people can.
Before you assume other people have faulty logic maybe you should consider that you might in fact be a fallible human being and therefore might have failed to understand something in their logic.
And I couldn't give a screw if you're a math major.