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Post #342577

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skyjedi2005
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Puggo GRANDE - 16mm restoration (Released)
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Date created
19-Jan-2009, 3:03 PM

That really is not suprising seeing how it was shot on kodachrome and not eastman safety pre lpp which is the worst.

Kodachrome: A reversal (direct positive) process. 1936 to present. Never used for 35mm movies, only 16mm and 8mm. Virtually fade proof. Most commonly used for amateur films for direct projection. I haven't seen any release prints made on Kodachrome since the 1970’s. Identified by being completely black around the perforations, with white (or similar light color) markings. Print stock comes in 2 types, ordinary Kodachrome, marked "Kodachrome Safety", which has a brownish (sulfite) soundtrack, and "Eastman Rev Color Safety Film", which has a grey silver soundtrack, similar to Technicolor. Kodachrome is high in contrast, and the contrast increases in printing, causing the shadows to be quite dark.  For longevity of color, this is the next best thing to Technicolor.  There are reports of the first production of Kodachrome having fading problems, but this was fixed around 1938.

Found this on some film site.

Not sure if avisynth can restore those old 8mm star wars films, when the color on almost every one has red shift, and starting to look pinkish.  Some supposedly had more stable color than others, only if kept in a cool and dry environment.  Almost none of them sold on ebay were stored properly.

On the 8mm film forum someone claimed that the Ken Films Part 2 of Star Wars he had was non faded, but seeing as he converted his refrigerator/freezer to store the film using dissicant gel packs to avoid moisture ruining the film inside its container.  If that film was stored in someones garage for twenty years and not stored properly you would definitely see red shift.  Since he bought it from derran film services they properly store the films they sell.  And accordingly i don't know if this is true but the 4 reel Derann Print of Star Wars was printed on polyester film.  Supposedly unfaded though i never have personally seen a print of this fine 8mm scope version of the film.

If anybody ever wants to do transfers of the trailers the 16mm and 8mm variants being more rare and hard to come by now than the 35mm, it is hard to find them not severly faded.  The only trailer i ever saw for star wars that was unfaded was the 1976 teaser, and it was the rare printed I.B. Technicolor.   All the eastman prints from the national screen service are severly faded.  I kid you knot, a guy is selling a 35mm nss copy now for 250 dollars and it has red shift,lol.  The only thing is unlike most it has no scratches or projector weave.  Because it probably was never used even though the roll was opened.  Maybe used only once.

The 2 trailers i own, i have not checked in a while but empire strikes back 1982 re-release trailer i have had severe red shift and only 60% of its color left.  Still kinda cool though it has a clip of luke and vaders duel in cloud city.

The Return of the Jedi Trailer from 1983 i own leads me to believe it is LPP without looking at its markings because it is unfaded and only has minor scratches.  I can't find star wars or empire strikes back trailers that are not severly faded.  Has anyone on these boards ever come across any?

The trailer i wish i owned was the revenge of the jedi scope teaser trailer that has luke with the blue saber on the skiff above the pitt of carkoon, and like a few frames of the sandstorm deleted scene.