Wow, had I been standing up while watching that my rear would be firmly planted into the ground now.
Wow....I'm loving the work on the asteroids. This is something I surprisingly never even thought of tweaking.....but clearly it did need work.
Beautiful job.
HOLY...CRAP!!!!! Fantastic ADY, Fantastic!!!!!
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love it!
btw, i noticed when i rewatched a color comparrison again, that after lukes rescue and u see the speeder entering the base, u see a second one coming in behind it.
rcb said:love it!
btw, i noticed when i rewatched a color comparrison again, that after lukes rescue and u see the speeder entering the base, u see a second one coming in behind it.
Its the subtle additions like the extra Snowspeeder that really make this edit great.
Great work on everything so far, Ady; can't wait for the release!
Nice job as always. One constructive comment is be careful to not make the tie shots too loud that they drawn out the score. Personally I think they sound just a hair too loud to me, but use your own judgment.
ladyferry said:The TIE pilot flying out of the explosion...
That is so WRONG! You da man, Ady! OMG, that ranks up there with the DEATH STAR blowing up a split second before firing the big gun! (and okay, maybe it WAS there all along, but now you can actually notice it, which makes it cooler)
And Thx on the "asteroid fart" fix. It's still a bit quick, but at least you can see a sizeable rock go into the crater that causes the "fart" now.
And the grey TIEs look fantastic! Keep up the great work!
... though if there is one little niggle, the TIE laser fire seems kinda wierd. I dunno if it's the sound effects or the rate of fire needs to be a little bit faster (or both), especially on that last "head-on with the TIEs" shot right before the pilot gets hiimself hackeysacked by the asteroid. Here's a few examples of some proper TIE laser fire rate and sound: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwAFY4F3DMU and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnphZJKGIoI&feature=related , with LadyFerry's youtube asteroid clip here for comparison: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2CRs8PAhzg
Are you folks seeing it too? (especially the Da--da--DA--da of the TIE at 0:40; maybe if it was the same pitch and a little faster as opposed to the slower Up--down--UP--down ...)
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re: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTp8mKFxmbg&feature=PlayList&p=4DB0EA9A58709519&index=34
from 0:30 to 0:45.
I know Needa's SD is the one in the middle, and that he has one SD on either side, but when you see the bridge shot at 0:36, should the shot be flipped (being that the SD that's closest to him is the one on his right side, not left)?
Going from our viewpoint as the audience, Needa is heading north and the other 2 SDs are going south (sounds kinda dirty...). Going by the position of the bridge, also facing north, the SD on the left side (just about touching Needa's SD) would be on Needa's right side.
Could anyone post some screen captures?
PS: also note the sound and rate of fire from the TIEs too (in comparison to the extended asteroid scene clip).
PPS: re: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqGdWo8WrTE&feature=PlayList&p=4DB0EA9A58709519&index=31
oh yeah; a quick fix for the Hoth-Needa-"Good, our first catch of the day" bridge shot (at 6:03) - just get rid of the wall & the 2 officers on the right side and extend the windows to make it look more like Needa is at the front of the main window row as opposed to the side area (like the shot at 1:26). That way you keep the window view and everything else without having to change it too much. You may have to curve the windows a little, but just say the pyramid shaped window on the left side is the center window and go off the Darth bridge shot from there.
PPPS: re: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp-17S3H8s0&feature=PlayList&p=4DB0EA9A58709519&index=29
PLEASE get rid of that stupid red floating thing on the left. It would be kinda cool to replace the matte painted clouds with a real cloud scape with moving clouds (while keeping the floating city) but at the least get rid of the distracting stuff that ILM seemed to put in just because they could (you know, like those annoying flying robots in Mos Eisley?)
PPPPS: re: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqGdWo8WrTE&feature=PlayList&p=4DB0EA9A58709519&index=31
now that the asteroid TIEs are grey, does that mean they are going to be greyed throughout the entire movie? Also, will the TIE bombers get a greyer pallete (maybe not the complete grey treatment, but a little less on the blue)? Also also, at 1:19, notice how the TIE bomber off to Darth's right kinda stretches as it flies towards the right side of the screen. And should the TIEs get some added red engine lights (ala ANH)?
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Man that was SWEET
that laser fire really lifts that scene
as for the sound I wouldn't worry bout it just yet guys
1. its PAL so it may sound a bit off to those in NTSC land.
2. Ady will more than likely fix the audio in the last phase of the edit.
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Ady, amazing work. Simply amazing. I love it!!
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amazing work ady. I LOVE the asteroid field
I am amazed at what you're doing; and how quickly you're working.
I'm really itching to see this finished!
TIE Fighter colors in three steps. Can any get me this frame from the GOUT to complete the set?
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....watches latest EXTENDED 'Asteroid Chase' clip.... **FAINTS** and falls to floor....
Jeez Adywan, we're all running out of superlatives here! :)
We're watching a genius at work here, I reckon...just look at the difference between doubleofive's captures of the 2004 SE DVD version and Ady's 'Revisited' version....
I LOVE it!! The Ties now 'firing' in those shots are terrific, as is the grey colouring. The Ties are my favourite design in the whole saga (naturally), so I'm well pleased!
And it's just so great to see something approximating the 'depth' of the brown asteroid field again, and your tweaking to the explosion at the end really DOES throw out that unfortunate Pilot into relief better than was previously seen.
Just a tiny, somewhat insignificant thing in the scheme of things really, but on the SE's the very front of the 'prongs' of the Millennium Falcon seemed a little dodgy the way they were matted against the large asteroid that enters the left of the frame as it passes against it in the 'side-on' banking shot....as is the actual cockpit too, when seen against this big asteroid. Any chance of a tidy-up Ady? It's so brief, it's only noticeable with 'freeze-framing', so no biggie though.
Nice!
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I don't know if anyone has said this but are you going to use the 'asteroid' sequence from the menu of the Empire DVD from 2004? and the 'Bespin' sequence too? Has anyone got these vids on youtube as I can'y find them? Both sequences would be amazing to incorporate into the Revisited cut.
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ladyferry said:I don't know if anyone has said this but are you going to use the 'asteroid' sequence from the menu of the Empire DVD from 2004? and the 'Bespin' sequence too? Has anyone got these vids on youtube as I can'y find them? Both sequences would be amazing to incorporate into the Revisited cut.
I seem to remember someone mentioned these long ago, and agree that there are a couple of nice individual elements during those menus. Especially most of the Millennium Falcon in the 'asteroids' one.
By the way, I can't wait to see what Adywan can do to improve / replace the dreadful 'Tie Fighters exploding in the asteroid crevice' shots!....
And I meant to say thanks for your continued quick uploading of the recent clips to your collection, ladyferry. Thanks. :)
I'd forgotten to add in my previous comments, that while I might have preferred the removal of the 'orange glow' on the big asteroid altogether, or have had it toned down with a hint of debris....that I ALSO really like the enlarged small asteroid that crashes into it now, as it is far more noticeable than before. Good subtle improvement there.
Monroville said:re: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTp8mKFxmbg&feature=PlayList&p=4DB0EA9A58709519&index=34
from 0:30 to 0:45.
I know Needa's SD is the one in the middle, and that he has one SD on either side, but when you see the bridge shot at 0:36, should the shot be flipped (being that the SD that's closest to him is the one on his right side, not left)?Going from our viewpoint as the audience, Needa is heading north and the other 2 SDs are going south (sounds kinda dirty...). Going by the position of the bridge, also facing north, the SD on the left side (just about touching Needa's SD) would be on Needa's right side.
Could anyone post some screen captures?
Monroville's absolutely right that there is something off, here....
We initially see the single Stardestroyer about to go in-between the middle of two oncoming Stardestroyers, just as the Millennium Falcon first dives downwards, followed by the Ties. It could be argued that the single Stardestroyer looks like it is positioned roughly equal distance in the middle of the other oncoming 2, in this shot.
However, in the following shot where we are directly below, and looking upwards at the undersides of the 3 Stardestroyers (as the Millennium Falcon and Ties come towards our viewpoint)....it looks as if the single Stardestroyer has gone slightly underneath the prow of the RIGHT-hand one....
Which then makes the 'interior' shot wrong! Unless the shots of the Stardestroyers from below are altered, I'd suggest it might be good to 'flip' the 'interior' shot (or alter what's seen in it's windows), as the other shots can't be 'flipped' because then the 'cockpit' of the Millennium Falcon would be on the wrong side then.
Interesting, as I hadn't picked up on this one before.
Perhaps doubleofive or someone can provide a couple of shots at some point to show everyone here how it currently looks?
ImperialFighter said:Monroville said:re: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTp8mKFxmbg&feature=PlayList&p=4DB0EA9A58709519&index=34
from 0:30 to 0:45.
I know Needa's SD is the one in the middle, and that he has one SD on either side, but when you see the bridge shot at 0:36, should the shot be flipped (being that the SD that's closest to him is the one on his right side, not left)?Going from our viewpoint as the audience, Needa is heading north and the other 2 SDs are going south (sounds kinda dirty...). Going by the position of the bridge, also facing north, the SD on the left side (just about touching Needa's SD) would be on Needa's right side.
Could anyone post some screen captures?
Monroville's absolutely right that there is something off, here....
We initially see the single Stardestroyer about to go in-between the middle of two oncoming Stardestroyer, just as the Millennium Falcon first dives downwards, followed by the Ties. It could be argued that the single Stardestroyer looks like it is positioned roughly equal distance in the middle of the other oncoming 2, in this shot.
However, in the following shot where we are directly below, and looking upwards at the undersides of the 3 Stardestroyers (as the Millennium Falcon and Ties come towards our viewpoint)....it looks as if the single Stardestroyer has gone slightly underneath the prow of the RIGHT-hand one....
That is not correct; Needa's SD is already a few hundred yards below the other 2 approaching SDs, as seen here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTp8mKFxmbg&feature=PlayList&p=4DB0EA9A58709519&index=34
Thus when we see the bridge shot, the side of the oncoming SD would be level with Needa's conning tower (which, if he didn't move his SD downwards, would have had the upper section ripped off ala the tower on the LEWIS AND CLARK on STARSHIP TROOPERS)
edit - okay, you are right. Needa's SD is damn near on the same horizontal plane as the other 2 SDs on 0:32, yet on 0:33, Needa is already moving slightly below the SD on his right (HIS right, not ours) ...
huh... looks like the EMPIRE hired a few competent people AFTER all (being that he had a helmsman that didn't need an order to evade the obvious). If only they had the same helmsman on the EXECUTOR a year or 2 later, he could have slightly altered course and said A-wing would have hit the face of the tower and not the bridge, thus SAVING THE DAY FOR.. the empire... oh yeah...
they're supposed to lose, right?
Which then makes the 'interior' shot wrong! Unless the shots of the Stardestroyers from below are altered, I'd suggest it might be good to 'flip' the 'interior' shot (or alter what's seen in it's windows), as the other shots can't be 'flipped' because then the 'cockpit' of the Millennium Falcon would be on the wrong side then.
Interesting, as I hadn't picked up on this one before.
Perhaps doubleofive or someone can provide a couple of shots at some point to show everyone here how it currently looks?
PS: I know I am getting annoying on this, but also look and listen to the TIE laser fire. Notice how it has that chigga/chigga/chigga (and some fading after sound FX) as opposed to the Ady asteroid Da--da--DA--da.
And regarding the PAL speedup, the issue is that the laser fire and sound is too slow, not fast. If converted to NTSC, it will be even slower moving and sounding.
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Monroville said:The shots are correct, it just seems that the bridge shot needs to be flipped. If you notice right after the bridge shot, Needa's SD (the one in the middle) is making evasive manuevering and heading downwards, while the SD on the left (and his right) is heading upwards so that they will miss each other. Regardless, the SD that is about to hit Needa is on Needa's right, not left.
Yes, I reckon now that the single Stardestroyer could have just 'veered' towards the one on it's RIGHT-hand side in the intervening cut (although it seems to have done it rather quickly!), and I'm agreeing that the 'interior' shot would be the easiest to 'flip' or alter. You are right that it does indeed seem that the single Stardestroyer is slightly lower than the other 2, as it first approaches, and the Millennium Falcon initially dives downwards.
Screenshots will be helpful for this one.
ImperialFighter said:By the way, I can't wait to see what Adywan can do to improve / replace the dreadful 'Tie Fighters exploding in the asteroid crevice' shots!....
Agreed! I brought that one up what seems like AGES ago now, and is probably the one FX shot I'm looking most forward to seeing fixed. :)
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Savage said:ImperialFighter said:By the way, I can't wait to see what Adywan can do to improve / replace the dreadful 'Tie Fighters exploding in the asteroid crevice' shots!....
Agreed! I brought that one up what seems like AGES ago now, and is probably the one FX shot I'm looking most forward to seeing fixed. :)
Fixed? If I recall correctly, he said he was SCRAPPING the shot and making a whole new one. Which is even better than fixing it!
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doubleofive said:Savage said:ImperialFighter said:By the way, I can't wait to see what Adywan can do to improve / replace the dreadful 'Tie Fighters exploding in the asteroid crevice' shots!....
Agreed! I brought that one up what seems like AGES ago now, and is probably the one FX shot I'm looking most forward to seeing fixed. :)
Fixed? If I recall correctly, he said he was SCRAPPING the shot and making a whole new one. Which is even better than fixing it!
Ah, semantics. Scrapped, replaced, tweaked, improved, whatever word you want to use, in the end it's still gonna be FIXED! ;)
And, yes, replacing it altogether should be the definition of awesome! :)
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Nice Adyman....
But please, the Tie Fighter pilot has always come out of the explosion. You nerds should know that....Man, you've picked this film to pieces, surely you must know that little detail has always been in the film.
HotRod said:Nice Adyman....
But please, the Tie Fighter pilot has always come out of the explosion. You nerds should know that....Man, you've picked this film to pieces, surely you must know that little detail has always been in the film.
I get what you are saying, but some of us didn't notice it beforehand until now. It may have something to do with the enhancement?
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