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ImperialFighter
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STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"ADYWAN - 12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW
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4-Jan-2009, 4:53 AM

Okay, here is the first part of a few 'AT-AT GROUND BATTLE'-related things I've been meaning to comment on for a while now Adywan, for you to consider (or shoot down, lol)....  It might take a little while to read through the two or three posts I'll need to eventually split them into, but here goes. (and many thanks to doubleofive who once again generously took the time to give me the exact numerous screenshots I wanted.) 

 

Firstly, can I say that while I wasn't quite sure about your change to the the AT-AT 'reveal' graphic at first, I've really come round to the look of it now, and realise that the consistency with the view from out of the identical Rebel binoculars will be a very good thing....

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a115/doubleofive/IF-Hoth/Hoth-001.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a115/doubleofive/IF-Hoth/Hoth-003.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a115/doubleofive/IF-Hoth/Hoth-004.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a115/doubleofive/IF-Hoth/Hoth-047.jpg

....however, although I know you confirmed that the 'red rectangle' would also be added to Luke's graphic too, I hope the same goes for the 'green and moving sections' that are seen either side of your new one.  These are my favourite elements from the original one, and they really add interest to the 'double-circle' version.  Nice work once again.

 

Although not straightforward, there are 2 things during the AT-AT battle that I'd personally most like to see improved in some way, if you would consider it, so I'll start with them, and offer a couple of possible ways to perhaps do that.  They both happen to involve the 'full-scale props' that were used....

This is my first offender -  it's not a long shot, but it's always been a frustrating one for me.  It's the AT-AT 'foot' that is hit by the tow cable that just seems to 'dangle' around momentarily in mid-air and 'wobbles' slightly, and isn't at all consistent with the movement of the miniature AT-AT 'feet' shots before and after it....

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a115/doubleofive/IF-Hoth/Hoth-007.jpg

Now while it looks fine here in this still screengrab, the actual 'movement' onscreen is very poor.  From scrutinising the footage of the shot just afterwards where the snowspeeder has started to wrap the tow cable around the legs, it seems to have attached to the REAR, LEFT foot, before going around the back of the AT-AT.  This seems to tie-in with this 'prop' foot, which is shown with it's outer side to us.  Sadly, going by the angle of the 'prop' in the shot, and the distance we are away from it, we should probably have seen the opposing REAR, RIGHT leg/foot somewhere on the right of the frame, too....  I'd also suggest that the actual 'portion' of the 'prop' foot that is shown is actually not very well framed to begin with, and that some of the miniature 'close-ups' showed far better sections, such as the 'toes'.  I reckon some of the actual detailing is a little suspect too. 

Here's a very rough reminder of how it currently fits in sequence at some point in-between these other more convincing before and after miniature 'feet' shots, albiet without the brief 'intercutting' shots of the snowspeeder pilots which help to distract from any continuity problems in the look, colour, or backgrounds, when watching the movie -

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a115/doubleofive/IF-Hoth/Hoth-036.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a115/doubleofive/IF-Hoth/Hoth-037.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a115/doubleofive/IF-Hoth/Hoth-038.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a115/doubleofive/IF-Hoth/Hoth-007.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a115/doubleofive/IF-Hoth/Hoth-039.jpg

If you plan to keep this shot mainly as it is, then perhaps you'd consider even trying to remove the 'wobble' of the 'prop'?  I doubt that the flimsy tow cable hitting the gigantic AT-AT's supposedly solid leg would affect it like that.  Also, perhaps you could study the look of of the REAR, LEFT foot on the miniature that precedes it (if you agree that this is the 'foot' in question), and better match some of it's details onto the 'prop', such as those involving the 'circle' areas?  And even the glimpse of a more prominent, more horizontal 'toe' added to the bottom right-hand side would be a welcome addition to help the poor framing a tad, and match how the preceding miniature one looked.

But on the other hand, maybe you'd even consider this, which has the potential to improve things much more dramatically, if you like the idea -  totally removing that 'prop' shot altogether, and replacing it with a brief 'flipped' version (but with a slightly different background) of existing footage of 'walking legs/feet' from the sequence where Luke is seen running underneath an AT-AT, which comes a good 4 minutes or so later on during the battle'!  

In the intervening 4 minutes or so, there's been a lot of action going on, due to numerous different scenes and cuts, with plenty of other AT-AT leg/foot shots to distract and mix things up from the 'memory' of the one that has gone before....so that by the time we get to the actual original, 'unflipped' scene with the 'walking legs/feet', you wouldn't really register that this brief AT-AT shot is the same one.  Luke would be need to be erased , and some difference made to the background, and a new tow cable would have to be added shown 'attaching' to the REAR, LEFT foot seen in the middle of the frame, and maybe colour-matched slightly (but as I said, there's intercutting pilot shots which make that less necessary).  It's just a thought, and the footage is just a tad longer than the 'prop' shot that it would replace, I checked.  So getting a length of shot that covers the same length as the 'prop' shot is no problem. 

And here's a very rough example of how including the 'flipped' shot would then look now, compared to the existing sequence shown above, although a watch of the actual moving footage will be needed to really get an idea of how it would turn out (remember, there would be no Luke in the scene, and there would be an added new tow cable 'attaching' to the back leg/foot, and intercutting between the different AT-AT shots with pilot shots) -

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a115/doubleofive/IF-Hoth/Hoth-036.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a115/doubleofive/IF-Hoth/Hoth-037.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a115/doubleofive/IF-Hoth/Hoth-038.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a115/doubleofive/IF-Hoth/Hoth-024.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a115/doubleofive/IF-Hoth/Hoth-025.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a115/doubleofive/IF-Hoth/Hoth-026.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a115/doubleofive/IF-Hoth/Hoth-039.jpg

 

Okay, that's the first thing out of the way, don't know what you'll make of it, but I'll get to the other ones as soon as I can.