Doctor M said:
Taolar said:Have you watched it yet
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Planned on it tonight, but some of the comments are starting to put me off the idea.
DO NOT get me wrong, I have been waiting a long time to watch this and can't wait, but it sounds like there's some remaining continuity issues to be worked out.
@ChainsawAsh: I find it ironic that you reference Dark Knight as a movie that isn't trying to set up for a sequel.
Batman Begins was designed to be exactly that while still being the better of the two films.
Also, you are assuming Dark Knight didn't originally intend to set up a 3rd film. With the demise of Heath Ledger, there is a good chance they made some last minute tweaks so they don't have to recast the Joker in the next movie.
Yes, I'll say it again and then duck: Dark Knight was the worse of the 2 new Batman films and one of the most overhyped-'Emperor Has No Clothes'-movies of all time.
In fact it pretty much blew. I would rather sit through Batman and Robin again than Dark Knight cos I was alternately bored then insulted the whole length of the film.
Mind you if you're going to rip into THOSE films, Batman Begins departed from the Batman mythology just enough to completely steal it's plot from Alec Baldwin's The Shadow (which I really would rather have seen a sequel to.)
Edit: My standalone player is robust enough to handle packet bitstreams, but won't accept mp4modifier's AR patch. Also, I don't know what I have set different from everyone else, but MY MPC plays back at 1:1 AR (when set for default). WMP is the only player it worked on for me (though I didn't try Zoom...)I'll just set MPC to 16x9 for playback, but I was hoping to watch it on my standalone... I won't be deterred.
Damn ... I seem to have hit a nerve ... well, another example is the Back to the Future movies. One is fantastic, a classic; 2, on the other hand, would have been good, except that the whole movie just feels like setup for 3 (which wasn't very good). That completely ruins it.
Don't get me wrong, the new ending for SoJ does NOT ruin the movie at all. I just feel that, as a general rule, individual movies work better when they're individual movies instead of setting up for a sequel. "Red Dragon," while it isn't fantastic, would have been less groan-inducing if it hadn't insisted on referencing "Silence of the Lambs" every chance it had.
And SoJ's ending might feel more natural when I sit and watch the whole thing all the way through. It's a great idea, and it certainly makes "Returns" feel less forced.
And I'm quite happy to hear of an edit of "Returns," which I think could be good with a little help.
And back to TDK, they didn't change the ending at all, I peeked at the shooting script's ending and it's identical - the only thing they may have changed is making it slightly less clear that Two-Face died, as in the script it very clearly says he breaks his neck in the fall. The movie is a bit more ambiguous than that. And if they really wanted to make sure they didn't need to recast the Joker, they could have shot a scene of him cutting his rope with one of his many knives and falling to his death with a double.
While I'm very aware that Nolan's Batman is not entirely faithful to the comics, I think his choices have been fantastic and I enjoy both movies very much, with the edge going to TDK. I'd love to see Batman as a live-action, hour-long-episode TV series that directly adapts certain comic stories for the majority of the episodes, ending with a feature-length adaptation of "The Dark Knight Returns," though - that would beat out Nolan's films if done right.