rcb said:however, she said she just remembered images and feelings. and obviously was told by her adoptive parents, her mother died when she was young.
It was clear from what she said that she remembered her mother. And she said her mother died when she was young but she didn't say "My mother died when I was newborn." She clearly meant later.
Vaderisnothayden said:rcb said:however, she said she just remembered images and feelings. and obviously was told by her adoptive parents, her mother died when she was young.
It was clear from what she said that she remembered her mother. And she said her mother died when she was young but she didn't say "My mother died when I was newborn." She clearly meant later.
well, u can just take the line, "she died when i was very young" that would work.
RE: When did the prequels officially suck?
ummm never.
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RE: When did the prequels officially suck?
ummm never.
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain.
"A myth is a religion in which no one any longer believes"...James Feibleman (1904-1987)
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Ah, denial. It is an amazing coping device, so I hear.
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AxiaEuxine said:RE: When did the prequels officially suck?
ummm never.
at least theres someone who loves the PT
The prequels sucked in the second incarnation as we have them and not as originally planned. The original prequels would have meshed well with the oot and not created a disturbance in like a hundred gaps in continuity. The prequels made the continuity of the original trilogy like swiss cheese, or put a whole big enough in continuity to fly a death star through.
Why did George not write down those ideas in the seventies or 1983 instead of waiting til nov 1, 1994 to put pencil to paper.
Gee i don't know as a writer you maybe don't be so lazy as to wait 11 years to write down your story ideas.lol
As a director you don't give up the craft for 16 years and expect to come back on top.
It has never been confirmed but from what i have read the bullshit he gave in interviews about having episodes 1-9 all in story treatment form was a lie.
There was no pages at all written for Phantom Menace until nov 1, 1994.
The story had been in his head since the seventies, yet when the prequels were originally conceived Darth vader was not Lukes father, and Leia was not Luke's sister. Skywalker and Vader were 2 pupils of Kenobi in the Jedi brotherhood. Vader betrayed and murdered his fellow jedi knight.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
For me personally, the prequels officially sucked with Episode III right about the turn of Anakin to Darth Vader was where the whole thing fell apart.
I actually was a PT defender for TPM & AOTC, even though I knew they were flawed films. Of course in 1999 I knew Jar Jar sucked, and Jake Lloyd was annoying, and in 2002, I knew that the romance sucked, those were pretty much a given even among diehard SW fans.
I defended Lucas cause I actually liked where the PT story/Anakin story was going heading into Episode III. I understood his motivations in Episode II for killing the tuskens, they just killed him mom, so there was a revenge factor a person could sympathize with. Would I have done that? Definitely not, but I could understand someone losing a parent and going apeshit/
As the ending montage of AOTC played out on screen, I was juiced for Episode III. Just look at the last images: Dooku meets with Palpatine and the Clone Wars have begun. Yoda, Windu, and Obiwan debating where this is all headed to. Palpatine watching as the Empire has offically begun its rule and nobody knows it. And Anakin & Padme are secretly married as he takes her hand with his robotic hand. Great ending!
Episode III starts off with a bang, and then it all falls apart when Anakin decides to turn to the darkside, in what is one of the DUMBEST plot points ever, and one of the quickest turns to evil in the history of movies! He has a dream of Padme dying so he then trusts the man who was behind the whole war and the man who was killing all those jedi, and teh man behind the killing of his future wife in Episode II????? He turns within seconds, and then goes on a killing spree? Where is the motivation, where is the audience suppose to question to themselves, "Would I do this??" like I did in Episode II after Anakin killed the tuskens.
The whole second half of ROTS is ridiculous, is a montage of everything Lucas couldn't fit in the first 2 1/2 movies, and it goes from what could have been a good ending, to a greatest hits of ridiculous scenes that ends with Padme losing the will to live after she gave birth to twins? Are you kidding me, she gave up on Anakin and dies because of him turning, yet she says to Obiwan, "There is still good in him...."
Sorry George, I defended for 2 movies, but Episode III is a joke of a movie, and written so badly it just doesn't make sense. I feel my opinion is not biased like many because I actually defended George, but this movie ruined the trilogy for me, and it is sad, because it could have better.
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C3PX said:Ah, denial. It is an amazing coping device, so I hear.
It does seem a popular device in some areas of the fandom.
rcb said:Vaderisnothayden said:rcb said:however, she said she just remembered images and feelings. and obviously was told by her adoptive parents, her mother died when she was young.
It was clear from what she said that she remembered her mother. And she said her mother died when she was young but she didn't say "My mother died when I was newborn." She clearly meant later.
well, u can just take the line, "she died when i was very young" that would work.
What do you mean take the line? Take out the line? Why should a classic's story be changed to suit later inferior spinoff films? Why don't we just take out Padme's death scene? That's the thing that obviously shouldn't have been put in.
no, not denial. I love the prequels, sorry they didnt fullfill your expectations but I love them.
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Vaderisnothayden said:rcb said:Vaderisnothayden said:rcb said:however, she said she just remembered images and feelings. and obviously was told by her adoptive parents, her mother died when she was young.
It was clear from what she said that she remembered her mother. And she said her mother died when she was young but she didn't say "My mother died when I was newborn." She clearly meant later.
well, u can just take the line, "she died when i was very young" that would work.
What do you mean take the line? Take out the line? Why should a classic's story be changed to suit later inferior spinoff films? Why don't we just take out Padme's death scene? That's the thing that obviously shouldn't have been put in.
i meant take that line out.
and no, padme should die, otherwise u'd have even more gaps. questions would pop up saying, "did she marry bail?" "how did she die?" and so on. whether u like it or not, it stays.
yes there are flaws. but still they blew me away. the music, action, and storytelling, aside from the romance,
really delivered.
rcb said:Vaderisnothayden said:rcb said:Vaderisnothayden said:rcb said:however, she said she just remembered images and feelings. and obviously was told by her adoptive parents, her mother died when she was young.
It was clear from what she said that she remembered her mother. And she said her mother died when she was young but she didn't say "My mother died when I was newborn." She clearly meant later.
well, u can just take the line, "she died when i was very young" that would work.
What do you mean take the line? Take out the line? Why should a classic's story be changed to suit later inferior spinoff films? Why don't we just take out Padme's death scene? That's the thing that obviously shouldn't have been put in.
i meant take that line out.
and no, padme should die, otherwise u'd have even more gaps. questions would pop up saying, "did she marry bail?" "how did she die?" and so on. whether u like it or not, it stays.
It's much more appropriate to delay Padme's death to years later, in keeping with the established story. They can end the film some years after the main events if they like, to include her death.
Taking out a line from a classic film to fit in with a crap spinoff film is an obscene idea.
yes there are flaws. but still they blew me away. the music, action, and storytelling, aside from the romance, really delivered.
The action was tedious, the music was overdone, the storytelling was crap. In two of those films there was very little apart from flaws.
AxiaEuxine said:no, not denial. I love the prequels, sorry they didnt fullfill your expectations but I love them.
I find it little hard to believe that anybody could love AOTC and ROTS. What is there to love? There's no heart or soul in those films.
AxiaEuxine said:no, not denial. I love the prequels, sorry they didnt fullfill your expectations but I love them.
Ah. So it's less a case of denial, and more a case of dramatically lowered expectations. Also a good coping device... ;-)
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Vaderisnothayden said:rcb said:Vaderisnothayden said:rcb said:Vaderisnothayden said:rcb said:however, she said she just remembered images and feelings. and obviously was told by her adoptive parents, her mother died when she was young.
It was clear from what she said that she remembered her mother. And she said her mother died when she was young but she didn't say "My mother died when I was newborn." She clearly meant later.
well, u can just take the line, "she died when i was very young" that would work.
What do you mean take the line? Take out the line? Why should a classic's story be changed to suit later inferior spinoff films? Why don't we just take out Padme's death scene? That's the thing that obviously shouldn't have been put in.
i meant take that line out.
and no, padme should die, otherwise u'd have even more gaps. questions would pop up saying, "did she marry bail?" "how did she die?" and so on. whether u like it or not, it stays.
It's much more appropriate to delay Padme's death to years later, in keeping with the established story. They can end the film some years after the main events if they like, to include her death.
Taking out a line from a classic film to fit in with a crap spinoff film is an obscene idea.
yes there are flaws. but still they blew me away. the music, action, and storytelling, aside from the romance, really delivered.
The action was tedious, the music was overdone, the storytelling was crap. In two of those films there was very little apart from flaws.
AxiaEuxine said:no, not denial. I love the prequels, sorry they didnt fullfill your expectations but I love them.
I find it little hard to believe that anybody could love AOTC and ROTS. What is there to love? There's no heart or soul in those films.
on the music, ur saying that john williams sucked then right?
Not really. Of course I can only speak for myself, but I found the PT scores to be incredible. Unfortunately, a bad movie wrecks a good score much more so that a good score can save a bad movie. Sync up teletubbies to Beethoven's 9nth symphony and you'll have utter silliness. The grandiose music does not make the unfolding absurdity any less laughable; rather, the score seems out of place an ill-fitted to the unbridled cheesiness. Enter the prequel trilogy. Great scores? Absolutely. Appropriate to the subject material? Absolutely not.
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rcb said:Vaderisnothayden said:rcb said:Vaderisnothayden said:rcb said:Vaderisnothayden said:rcb said:however, she said she just remembered images and feelings. and obviously was told by her adoptive parents, her mother died when she was young.
It was clear from what she said that she remembered her mother. And she said her mother died when she was young but she didn't say "My mother died when I was newborn." She clearly meant later.
well, u can just take the line, "she died when i was very young" that would work.
What do you mean take the line? Take out the line? Why should a classic's story be changed to suit later inferior spinoff films? Why don't we just take out Padme's death scene? That's the thing that obviously shouldn't have been put in.
i meant take that line out.
and no, padme should die, otherwise u'd have even more gaps. questions would pop up saying, "did she marry bail?" "how did she die?" and so on. whether u like it or not, it stays.
It's much more appropriate to delay Padme's death to years later, in keeping with the established story. They can end the film some years after the main events if they like, to include her death.
Taking out a line from a classic film to fit in with a crap spinoff film is an obscene idea.
yes there are flaws. but still they blew me away. the music, action, and storytelling, aside from the romance, really delivered.
The action was tedious, the music was overdone, the storytelling was crap. In two of those films there was very little apart from flaws.
AxiaEuxine said:no, not denial. I love the prequels, sorry they didnt fullfill your expectations but I love them.
I find it little hard to believe that anybody could love AOTC and ROTS. What is there to love? There's no heart or soul in those films.
on the music, ur saying that john williams sucked then right?
I'm saying the choice of music for various scenes had them giving scenes music that was overdone for the scenes. Like the way overdone music for the lava fight. Stuff like that was really annoying.
Vaderisnothayden said:rcb said:Vaderisnothayden said:rcb said:Vaderisnothayden said:rcb said:Vaderisnothayden said:rcb said:however, she said she just remembered images and feelings. and obviously was told by her adoptive parents, her mother died when she was young.
It was clear from what she said that she remembered her mother. And she said her mother died when she was young but she didn't say "My mother died when I was newborn." She clearly meant later.
well, u can just take the line, "she died when i was very young" that would work.
What do you mean take the line? Take out the line? Why should a classic's story be changed to suit later inferior spinoff films? Why don't we just take out Padme's death scene? That's the thing that obviously shouldn't have been put in.
i meant take that line out.
and no, padme should die, otherwise u'd have even more gaps. questions would pop up saying, "did she marry bail?" "how did she die?" and so on. whether u like it or not, it stays.
It's much more appropriate to delay Padme's death to years later, in keeping with the established story. They can end the film some years after the main events if they like, to include her death.
Taking out a line from a classic film to fit in with a crap spinoff film is an obscene idea.
yes there are flaws. but still they blew me away. the music, action, and storytelling, aside from the romance, really delivered.
The action was tedious, the music was overdone, the storytelling was crap. In two of those films there was very little apart from flaws.
AxiaEuxine said:no, not denial. I love the prequels, sorry they didnt fullfill your expectations but I love them.
I find it little hard to believe that anybody could love AOTC and ROTS. What is there to love? There's no heart or soul in those films.
on the music, ur saying that john williams sucked then right?
I'm saying the choice of music for various scenes had them giving scenes music that was overdone for the scenes. Like the way overdone music for the lava fight. Stuff like that was really annoying.
how was it annoying? it fit the scene well. where would u have had them fight?
Overdone music for an ovedone scene creates an overdone anoying effect. Of course it was annoying. How could it not be? It was so fake and pushy.
And I don't know wtf "where" has anything to do with anything.
rcb said:Vaderisnothayden said:rcb said:Vaderisnothayden said:rcb said:Vaderisnothayden said:rcb said:Vaderisnothayden said:rcb said:however, she said she just remembered images and feelings. and obviously was told by her adoptive parents, her mother died when she was young.
It was clear from what she said that she remembered her mother. And she said her mother died when she was young but she didn't say "My mother died when I was newborn." She clearly meant later.
well, u can just take the line, "she died when i was very young" that would work.
What do you mean take the line? Take out the line? Why should a classic's story be changed to suit later inferior spinoff films? Why don't we just take out Padme's death scene? That's the thing that obviously shouldn't have been put in.
i meant take that line out.
and no, padme should die, otherwise u'd have even more gaps. questions would pop up saying, "did she marry bail?" "how did she die?" and so on. whether u like it or not, it stays.
It's much more appropriate to delay Padme's death to years later, in keeping with the established story. They can end the film some years after the main events if they like, to include her death.
Taking out a line from a classic film to fit in with a crap spinoff film is an obscene idea.
yes there are flaws. but still they blew me away. the music, action, and storytelling, aside from the romance, really delivered.
The action was tedious, the music was overdone, the storytelling was crap. In two of those films there was very little apart from flaws.
AxiaEuxine said:no, not denial. I love the prequels, sorry they didnt fullfill your expectations but I love them.
I find it little hard to believe that anybody could love AOTC and ROTS. What is there to love? There's no heart or soul in those films.
on the music, ur saying that john williams sucked then right?
I'm saying the choice of music for various scenes had them giving scenes music that was overdone for the scenes. Like the way overdone music for the lava fight. Stuff like that was really annoying.
how was it annoying? it fit the scene well. where would u have had them fight?
do u pay any attention to the symbolism in the movie? there was a reason mustafar was chosen for the final battle. read a book for god's sake!
I read the book. But it has been quite some time ago. Could you take a few seconds to explain the symbolism of Mustafar and any other important symbolism we may be missing. Who knows, maybe it will help us appreciate the movie more.
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AMEN! the symbolism is religious and i don't want to offend someone.
The first time Jarjar opened his mouth.
rcb said:the symbolism is religious and i don't want to offend someone.
Holy shit man, we are not that PC around here! How unbelievably worthless is the world we are living in becoming!!! If you offend someone by explaining the symbolism in ROTS on a public forum, then quite honestly, the offended party needs to get a life.
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