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George's Unaltered Prequel trilogy

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Are you one of the few fans that were upset with the lack of the original theatrical prequel trilogy on DVD? Forget the OT you say! They already have been released on DVD! We don't have the theatrical prequels at all! Well, your prayers have been answered by Lucasfilm with the premiere of the GUPT as bonus material in the new holiday DVD sets! Now enjoy the prequels as they were seen in theaters in their original theatrical aspect ratio (in non-anamorphic 4:3) Artificial grain and other filtering have been added to truly make these discs mesh as a saga with the 2006 GOUT set! Here are some exclusive screenshots available nowhere else!

 

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P.S. If you haven't figured it out yet this is a joke thread

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A joke maybe, but I still believe the unaltered prequels should be released.

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Well, considering that the sole change to RotS was so earth-shatteringly minor, I don't think I'd be out of line saying that we alread have the GUPT version of RotS. TPM and AotC, on the other hand... well, we can always pray.

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Well, the change in AOTS was better... least, the one in terms of Padme's line.

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Can I sign up for a very altered prequel trilogy with no Hayden Christensen?

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Well, the change in AOTS was better


and just what migh THAT be?

they could at least get the ball rolling by [re]color grading the films. The humans in TPM look like muppets with bright orange skin.

 

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You mean the color grading of the prequels should match the oot, and the original trilogies color should not have been fucked with to match the prequels as was done in 2004.  That is quite a revelation coming from someone like you Johhny.  I thought you loved lucas special editions, prequels and clone wars and that good old georgie could do no wrong in your eyes.

Someone could do a fanedit that altered the prequel colors to match the oot, but as for cuts and edits to fit the continuity of the original trilogy i don't think it is possible the prequels are a giant pile of shit.  All a fanedit can do is make the material less over the top and offensive it can not add scenes that were not shot or written.  Well you could try as some fanedits have in the past but usually the prequels you start out with even in an intent to make a trilogy as good as the oot of star wars= Epic Fail

The prequels have to be completely removed from original trilogy era saga canon.  As they would have to be entirely re-written to properly match the originals, recasted with proper actors, and have directors who are not hacks.  Also the effects and models would have had to be done old school and done to look older than the originals and fit Ralph McQuarrie's original designs in the seventies.

The prequels as we have them are a modern revision of star wars and no not fit the sagas mold from 1977-1983.  They are so far different in themes tone and feel as if set in another universe.

See that is why lucas has to recut the original trilogy constantly to fit them when it should have been the other way around the prequels should have been designed to augment the vision of the original trilogy.

If Lucas modern day alernate star wars universe is how he likes things then he should just reshoot the entire original trilogy using bad actors, bad over the top cgi and write and direct them all himself.  Though i doubt anyone would pay to see them.  Lucas has lost his fans after Indiana Jones IV and the Clone Wars movie.  Now critics and fans have zero faith he can ever make another good movie, or stop raping star wars and do a real restoration of the real trilogy instead of insisting on releasing more garbage nobody wants.

There absolutely no reason why the star wars prequels and indiana jones IV could not have been done the old school way as genre films.  The stories should have had the same magic, and the feel could have been the same.  Except Lucas abandoned his real fans to try and make a bigger profit by doing things with these movies that were not necesarry for the stories sake, but to sell them as modern blockbusters he had to put in kiddie garbage and over the top cgi.  In other words he whored out star wars to the lowest common denominator to make a buck.  This is not the film school maverick with a vision that created star wars, he is only a banker type businessman now who has to please his shareholders as chairman of Lucasfilm ltd as a corporation.

I have a huge respect for the george lucas who made the original versions of THX 1138, American Graffiti, and Star Wars.  I have no respect for the creatively bankrupt businessman techocrat he has become.  He is no longer a craftsman, filmaker or storyteller.  He has not only betrayed the essence of what made the original star wars trilogy so great, he has betrayed the person he once was.

Why is it that with 9-to 10 million dollars in 1976-77 he filmed a movie that has lasted over thirty years as a great film, a film that deserves all the hype and accolades it has received.  A film whose original cinematic theatrical version remains buried.  But with almost unlimited funds and cumputers he produced absolute unadulterated garbage with Episodes 1-3. 

Star Wars 1-3 had all the epic groundbreaking technologically innovating cgi and all the bells and whistles but the heart and emotional resonance of the original trilogy was nowhere to be found in these films.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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You mean the color grading of the prequels should match the oot, and the original trilogies color should not have been fucked with to match the prequels as was done in 2004.  That is quite a revelation coming from someone like you Johhny.  I thought you loved lucas special editions, prequels and clone wars and that good old georgie could do no wrong in your eyes.

yes, that is kind of what I meant* but your assumptions are WAY off base. You don't know me, you know nothing about me and i've said nothing to give people that impression [PT gusher]. Maybe you should spend a little more time reading the comments than ranting, hmm?

I don't understand why you are intent to go down this road when we are in agreement.

* to a degree - the colours in the OT were never done right as far as i can tell.

 

 

 

 

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Sorry man.  I thought i remembered your comments in the clone wars tv thread to that effect.

If i remembered wrongly i apologise.

 

As for Episode 1 and how the film was shot etc.  I think it was documented somewhat by American Cinematographer and Cinefex magazines.

But David Tatterstall Cinematography really does not do the same as Gil Taylor.  I realise he researched the look of the original tatooine photography and stuff.  Not just Gil Taylor, the cinematographers on the original trilogy were just better imho.  The same with the original indiana jones trilogy.

Lucas and Spielberg got these replacement Cinematographers who were not as good, again imho.

Of course Ben Burrt is no Marcia Lucas when it comes to film editing either.

But then  again george uses the avid system as far as i know and does not edit the same anymore himself.  He does not cut film as he no longer even uses film.

You know that cutting a film used to refer to piecing together the celluloid with editors glue or cement, on a moviela or an upright KEM editing station.  I know almost all of the phantom menace was shot on 35mm motion picture film but was not physically edited.  It was digitized then edit in computers and printed back out onto film.  Thereby losing quality in the image.  Lucas could now go back to the camera oneg and get a 4k scan but i don't think he would want to spend the money on it.  Besides the edits that were done on computers would have to redone and reassemble the movie from that point.

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The change was Padme's delivery after she fell off the clone ship.  On the DVD, she sounds a lot weaker.  I mean, I'd sure be weak after fallin outta one of those!

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You also get more whining during Anakin's uber-emo "i hate them" confession.

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I definitely like my VHS edition of Phantom Menace more than the DVD edit and would like to see that on DVD.

"Now all Lucas has to do is make a cgi version of himself.  It will be better than the original and fit his original vision." - skyjedi2005

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skyjedi2005 said:

Sorry man.  I thought i remembered your comments in the clone wars tv thread to that effect.

If i remembered wrongly i apologise.

 

As for Episode 1 and how the film was shot etc.  I think it was documented somewhat by American Cinematographer and Cinefex magazines.

But David Tatterstall Cinematography really does not do the same as Gil Taylor.  I realise he researched the look of the original tatooine photography and stuff.  Not just Gil Taylor, the cinematographers on the original trilogy were just better imho.  The same with the original indiana jones trilogy.

Lucas and Spielberg got these replacement Cinematographers who were not as good, again imho.

Of course Ben Burrt is no Marcia Lucas when it comes to film editing either.

But then  again george uses the avid system as far as i know and does not edit the same anymore himself.  He does not cut film as he no longer even uses film.

You know that cutting a film used to refer to piecing together the celluloid with editors glue or cement, on a moviela or an upright KEM editing station.  I know almost all of the phantom menace was shot on 35mm motion picture film but was not physically edited.  It was digitized then edit in computers and printed back out onto film.  Thereby losing quality in the image.  Lucas could now go back to the camera oneg and get a 4k scan but i don't think he would want to spend the money on it.  Besides the edits that were done on computers would have to redone and reassemble the movie from that point.

 

Computers are just a tool. Digital Video is too. It's what you do with them. Plenty of good looking movies have come out on digital by now, the format has matured, AOTC was an early adopter which Is why it looked bad and both digital prequels just completely ignored the look of the originals and went for it's own look. ROTS didn't look bad, it just looked very CG and not like the originals.

I still believe they should have went with 80's stock and more practical effects though, for continuity's sake.

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This thread brings up something I have been meaning to ask for quite some time: Do we have preservations of the theatrical versions of AOTC and ROTS floating around? I am pretty sure there is an LD rip of TPM, which is the one with the most drastic changes, but what about the other two?

I have the ROTS screener lying around someplace, but the quality is severely lacking.

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The prequels have to be completely removed from original trilogy era saga canon.

To my mind they aren't even in that canon as is, no matter what Lucas says.  

The prequels as we have them are a modern revision of star wars and no not fit the sagas mold from 1977-1983.  They are so far different in themes tone and feel as if set in another universe.

Uh huh. They're a totally revisionist take and they're not in the same creative universe. Maybe they're in the same alternate creative universe as the special edition, but they're not in the same creative universe as the originals. He had to change the originals before he could put out the prequels, which just goes to show how the prequels don't go with the originals.

See that is why lucas has to recut the original trilogy constantly to fit them when it should have been the other way around the prequels should have been designed to augment the vision of the original trilogy.

Yeah, it's crazy, the originals get screwed around to fit their inferior spinoffs, while the prequels demonstrate a lack of concern for consistency with the originals.  

If Lucas modern day alernate star wars universe is how he likes things then he should just reshoot the entire original trilogy using bad actors, bad over the top cgi and write and direct them all himself.

Yeah, and get Hayden to go around in a Darth Vader suit for the character in his new OT. Puke.

Why is it that with 9-to 10 million dollars in 1976-77 he filmed a movie that has lasted over thirty years as a great film, a film that deserves all the hype and accolades it has received.  A film whose original cinematic theatrical version remains buried.  But with almost unlimited funds and cumputers he produced absolute unadulterated garbage with Episodes 1-3. 

Makes you wonder.

Except Lucas abandoned his real fans

Dead straight. There's a quote in The Secret History of Star Wars in which McCallum says they knew back in 1990 that the first two prequels were going to be tough with anybody who had any relationship with the originals or was over 18. Which sounds to me like they rejected the fans and adults outright and set out to make Star Wars movies that were to be at odds with the old trilogy.

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yes, believe it or not, it's pretty easy to get the prequels on 35mm film..

 

 and yes, of course, i've added to it my list of film restorations to do...

(of course after the original trilogy gets done)...

 

 

....[returns to check on thread after a couple of years]...

 

all of THE STAR WARS movies should/will be preserved...

since of course, i liked them all (but in different degrees)..

 

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I think Lucas should just redo 4-6 instead of constantly altering them. Leave the originals alone and build more crap off of his crappy prequals. I mean remakes and reboots come out all the time. Since Lucas has already fucked things up this much he might as well go whole hog! Most creators don't live long enough to reboot their own stuff but Lucas is the exception and with the advances in CGI and the money he could make? lol

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I liked puppet Yoda from TPM. George changed to CG because Yoda had to do a lot of acrobatics for the next two films, but I wouldn't have had Yoda jump around like a Loony Tune on crack. If they'd kept puppet Yoda, rewrote his character somewhat to fit more with the elderly and wise sage, the PT would have been much better, IMO.

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Based on the first post, do you honestly think the GOUT was that bad in picture quality?

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Based on the first post, do you honestly think the GOUT was that bad in picture quality?

 

Its an exaggeration....

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I thought so.

If it was that bad there should've been lawsuits...

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Octorox said:

Are you one of the few fans that were upset with the lack of the original theatrical prequel trilogy on DVD? Forget the OT you say! They already have been released on DVD! We don't have the theatrical prequels at all! Well, your prayers have been answered by Lucasfilm with the premiere of the GUPT as bonus material in the new holiday DVD sets! Now enjoy the prequels as they were seen in theaters in their original theatrical aspect ratio (in non-anamorphic 4:3) Artificial grain and other filtering have been added to truly make these discs mesh as a saga with the 2006 GOUT set! Here are some exclusive screenshots available nowhere else!

P.S. If you haven't figured it out yet this is a joke thread

 

Yeah, you maybe joking, but who knows maybe in 20 or 30 years from now some (odd) fan-base for the prequel trilogy will be wanting the OPT. 20 or 30 years from Now, prequel trilogy Fans talking about theatrical versions of the prequels trilogy and mad at Lucas for the changes like changing ani's cyborg arm at the end of EP II and so on. It is odd to me, but I can see it happening.

I Hate prequel trilogy, but will have the OPT Movement's Back in 20 or 30 years from now because I know how it feel to want the original version of Star Wars movies and not get them.

What an odd image: original, original trilogy Movement and original prequel trilogy Movement working together to get the original theatrical versions of both the original trilogy and the prequel trilogy.

It maybe a Stange Future for Us.