good point, the acting and plot and all that may not change, however, from what has been said, lucas had a different story written for the PT way back in the 1980's. wat if he didn't change it?
It seems you all have problem with the story of the PT, which to me is good (could have been better though). It's just the way of telling it that kinda sucks (and the bad casting, VaderisnotAnakin... indeed!). In other words: good story, bad script.
Zero emotion "killed" the PT to me, not the story.
But I agree on your point about Lucas not being the one and only person behind the first trilogy (the creative team behind the first movie was indeed a combination of great talents).
But you know, even the mighty Irvin Kershner did Robocop 2... I think it was not a bad idea to take new blood to make the PT (even rock bands do that! ;) look Deep Purple, they could go on for ever changing members each ten years. lol). It's just ended poorly on screen.
out of all the directors who directed any star wars movie, irvin kershner was the best.
TMBTM said:It seems you all have problem with the story of the PT, which to me is good (could have been better though). It's just the way of telling it that kinda sucks (and the bad casting, VaderisnotAnakin... indeed!). In other words: good story, bad script.
You mean the story about a nine year old boys induction into a weird religious order that dictates that he cannot love any one or ever see his mother again, who falls in love with an elected queen and obsesses over her for the next eight years of his life, before finally expressing his love to her, a gesture that doesn't go over so well, because he is worried about his mom, who he has not checked in on in eight years, so he returns home to find her kiddnapped and raped to death by Sandpeople, so he kills them, all of them, even the children, and the queen who is no longer a queen falls in love with him even more for it (aww, he's crying, I love sensitive men!), meanwhile, Obi-Wan discovers someone has commissioned a clone army consisting of clones of Boba Fetts father (yippeee! Just when we needed an army a miracle happens and it turns out someone who probably had ill intent comissioned us an army! Thank the force! We shall accept it without question and use it to start a war against those who disagree with us), not long later the clone wars break out, the opening battle of which takes place in... a giant gladiator style arena... okay, the war rages on for years, the grown up nine year old boy marries the girl who was previously an elected queen, she gets pregnant and he constantly tells her how wonderful she is and how much he loved her, then he dreams about her dying and decides to turn to the darkside, after a couple of second of feeling the power of the darkside, he decides it would be fun to kill some kids and does so, his wife finds out about this and gets freaks (funny, last time he killed a bunch of kids, she seemed cool with it), she gets mad and tells him to stop, so he kills her, fogetting his intention was to save her, his best friend come along and tries to kill him, but instead just cripples him by cutting off 75% of his limbs, then leaving him to catch fire and slowing sink into a lake of lava while burning to death (aw, brotherly love at its finest), fortunately he is saved by the new Emporer who takes him home and slaps a tight black leather suit over his charred body (kinky) and keeps him as his evil henchmen, hoping one day he will be good enough to stars as the villian of some decent sci-fi movies. Meanwhile, his wife who was previously an elected queen has barely survived his attempt to kill her and is going into labor, she gives birth to two babies who she doesn't deem worthy enough to live for, and despite having nothing physically wrong with her, promptly dies? You mean that story?
Yeah, it's brilliant! If only they could have had some halfway decent actors to pull it off...
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
And R2 was Anakin's droid! And he built C-3PO! And Yoda was friends with Chewbacca! In addition, Han Solo was nearly shown as an orphan jungle boy raised by wookies on Kashyyk!
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C3PX said:Yeah, it's brilliant! If only they could have had some halfway decent actors to pull it off...
the problem that will never be solved, is that
nobody can agree what the story should have been like..
some claim that the PT isn't as 'epic' as the original trilogy (despite
all the retcons, inconsistencies, and flaws that exist in it th e OT also)..
lucas faces a no-win situation, you can't please the old fans, because
it wouldn't 'match' what he wanted for the PT, and of course the people
that like the PT sometimes find the OT clunky, slow, and outdated....
you can't have your cake both ways, and eat it to..
i hear a lot of complaints (skyjedi2005, and vaderisnothayden) that nothing past
1983 is worthy of being star wars, or 'canon' etc.....
well that leaves a huge void doesn't it? who is supposed to write the story?
who's supposed to act it out? who's supposed to direct? do the music?
i don't think we could even find a majority of people on this site that could agree
on how it should have been handled? some like the EU stuff, others hate it,
same with the 'clone wars' (mixed opinions).......
it's pretty easy to criticize something that exists without supplying any kind of
alternate or substitute...yeah, you could say, just film the 'thrawn trilogy', or
just do episodes 7-9, and include the OT characters.... yeah, well someone
has to write it, and even stories from the EU that included the OT characters
aren't all liked universally....
do you really want to see han and leia married with kids? luke getting old?
chewbacca dying? i don't know.... i'd rather see the time periods inbetween
episode 3 and 4. or even the short time periods between 4-5 and 5-6....
be careful what you wish for..
later
-1
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negative1 said:C3PX said:Yeah, it's brilliant! If only they could have had some halfway decent actors to pull it off...
the problem that will never be solved, is that
nobody can agree what the story should have been like..
I think plenty of people here can agree on what the story should have been like. Early years of Anakin Skywalker. His ascendency in the Jedi ranks. His fall. For a decent writer, this doesn't have to be that hard. As long as you stop trying to connect every little aspect with the OT, you won't have a problem. He does not need to build C3PO. He does not need to know R2 from the beginning. He does not need to start as a 9 year old boy (I think this made it worse, not better). While his wife should die by the end, she doesn't have to (no reason she can't go into hiding on some planet, like maybe Alderaan :P).
The point is that there are so many better ways it could have been done that you don't have to have 100% agreement on everything. But everyone agrees that dissent was probably not tolerated on the set, so crap was allowed to pass because it came from Lucas. Healthy dissent helps great ideas to flourish.
some claim that the PT isn't as 'epic' as the original trilogy (despite
all the retcons, inconsistencies, and flaws that exist in it th e OT also)..
lucas faces a no-win situation, you can't please the old fans, because
it wouldn't 'match' what he wanted for the PT, and of course the people
that like the PT sometimes find the OT clunky, slow, and outdated....
I don't think even Lucas knew what he wanted for the PT. He simply decided he had to revisit the franchise because he kept talking about it over the years and figured he should do something for the fans that were clamoring for more. I'm convinced that he's tired of it and once people stop consuming it that he'll finally move on. As long as it's bringing in money though, he'll continue to do whatever it takes to keep the money flowing. This is why I've pretty much stopped buying anything Star Wars related. The only things I buy now are the items that are specifically OT related, so pretty much only holiday ornaments.
you can't have your cake both ways, and eat it to..
i hear a lot of complaints (skyjedi2005, and vaderisnothayden) that nothing past
1983 is worthy of being star wars, or 'canon' etc.....
well that leaves a huge void doesn't it? who is supposed to write the story?
who's supposed to act it out? who's supposed to direct? do the music?
John Williams for the music. Lawrence Kasdan could write it (he wrote the screenplay for Raiders of the Lost Ark). Natalie Portman and the rest of the actors were also fine (they're all very accomplished actors). We just need a replacement for Hayden (he isn't that great and hasn't been in anything that good since, kinda like Mark Hamill ;P).
As far as Directors go, take your pic. There's plenty of decent directors out there. And Lucas can stay on as Visual Effects Producer since Visual Effects is what he does best.
i don't think we could even find a majority of people on this site that could agree
on how it should have been handled? some like the EU stuff, others hate it,
same with the 'clone wars' (mixed opinions).......
You don't need a majority to agree on who the best person is. You just need someone that's good to do it and George is not good.
it's pretty easy to criticize something that exists without supplying any kind of
alternate or substitute...yeah, you could say, just film the 'thrawn trilogy', or
just do episodes 7-9, and include the OT characters.... yeah, well someone
has to write it, and even stories from the EU that included the OT characters
aren't all liked universally....
do you really want to see han and leia married with kids? luke getting old?
chewbacca dying? i don't know.... i'd rather see the time periods inbetween
episode 3 and 4. or even the short time periods between 4-5 and 5-6....
I wouldn't mind any of these to be perfectly honest. In the hands of a capable writer and director we'd get something wonderful. Not in the hands of Lucas. He had his shot at continued greatness with the PT. He failed miserably. Yes, they generated a lot of money, but they are now seen as failures. The OT is still seen as timeless.
be careful what you wish for..
Exactly why I (and many others) want someone else to take over the reigns from Lucas.
The thing is the issue of the Prequels is easily solved for us that like the originals just don't ever watch the dvds. That is easy.
The not so easy part comes into play with the original trilogy because the 2004 set has been restored even with the colors messed up and is anamorphic. You either have to watch the crappy gout quality or put up with the changes in the 2004, to me as a fan i loose on both counts and this leaves little choice. I just don't get why Lucas cannot have the original originals side by side in the same quality as the 2004 minus the audio and color problems of course.
Yeah i have gout fanamorphic that would look better on a widescreen tv because you would not have to use the zoom function, but it still looks like crap.
Its a losing battle. I don't know why Ridley Scott can give us what we want but George Lucas cannot. If you compare the Blade Runner 5 disc standard dvd set against what Lucas has done with star wars there is no comparison.
And Negative 1 i like Plenty of Star Wars after 1983 even the prequels to a lesser degree if i consider them as EU, i like the Zahn trilogy and a lot of the expanded universe. I just cannot abide what Lucas has done to the original trilogy, if that could be taken out of the equation if Lucas gets off his duff and gets them restored then everyone is happy.
The Special Editions and Prequels deserve a place in the star wars universe, even if a somewhat lesser role than the original films. But to not have those films from 1977-1983 saved for future generations by a supposed film preservationist is downright retarded.
Just that imho, the Special Editions and Prequels should not replace the original movies. The fans should be given the choice what to like, love or hate. Lucas created the factions in the fandom by deliberately mistreating those old school fans and the films he has made way back when.
I have no problems with Kids liking the prequels, or the special editions, or the Clone Wars. But it would not kill Lucas to do a restoration of the films. In fact they were restored in 1997 except for those scenes that were not. It would not even take a complete restoration at this point if he wanted to be lazy just scan in those specific changed scenes and put them back in the film.
Despite what he says star wars in 1977 was a complete and finished film, the same thing with the empire strikes back in 1980, and return of the jedi in 1983. These are the facts.
Nobody has a problem with him going back in and revisiting these movies and creating an alternate edit that is made to suit his own tastes. The problem is denying the existance of the earlier "real" versions of the films and not allowing fans to choose.
Lucas could come out and say that Star Wars is continued growing and expanding in regard to canon, and explain away the revisionism and being just that. And it would be fair enough if we had the oot in an enjoyable and not laughable pathetic release.
Star Wars changes were made during the making of the original trilogy, Vader became Luke's Father and Leia Luke's sister as a retcon and i'm still fine with those changes.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
negative1 said:C3PX said:Yeah, it's brilliant! If only they could have had some halfway decent actors to pull it off...
the problem that will never be solved, is that
nobody can agree what the story should have been like..
some claim that the PT isn't as 'epic' as the original trilogy (despite
all the retcons, inconsistencies, and flaws that exist in it th e OT also)..
lucas faces a no-win situation, you can't please the old fans, because
it wouldn't 'match' what he wanted for the PT, and of course the people
that like the PT sometimes find the OT clunky, slow, and outdated....
you can't have your cake both ways, and eat it to..
Arg! This is the type of thing some of you guys can't get past, and it irritates the living crap out of me.
Not everyone had to agree on what the story should have been. It could have been anything, it just had to be good, and it wasn't.
Lucas didn't face a no win situation, he didn't even have to please everyone. He could have done whatever he wanted. They were his movies, he had essentially all the money in the world to throw at it, he could have done anything and gone anywhere with he he wished. He didn't have to please anyone, they could have been pure crap and they still would have topped the box office and made loads of crash... oh wait... ha! That is exactly what happened!
Since George could have taken these things down any road he liked, it is really, truely, terribly, awfully ashame he decided to take it down the road named "mediocrity".
Actually, I really wish George would not have taken to heart the bad criticism that was thrown at TPM. It wasn't the best movie, but it wasn't the worst. Every movie takes some hard hits from some critics, and he was in a position where he really didn't have to care what they thought. I think he changed a lot of his ideas for episode II around after all the bad criticism, and again, changed his ideas for III after all the bad feedback regarding II. Would have liked to have seen what TPM's sequels would have been like, had these, what I assume are criticism encouraged changes, not taken place.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
the problem that will never be solved, is that
nobody can agree what the story should have been like..
I agree with this sentiment. There are drawbacks to literally any interpretation of SW because we all have differing perspectives on the SW universe. So far, I'm with you.
some claim that the PT isn't as 'epic' as the original trilogy (despite
all the retcons, inconsistencies, and flaws that exist in it th e OT also)..
I also agree that no matter what came out of the PT, there would be some who would say the OT was much superior without even watching one PT film.
And no one, save the most ardent and unreasonable OT fan, would say the OT didn't have flaws. I've never seen a flawless movie and I doubt I ever will.
lucas faces a no-win situation, you can't please the old fans, because
it wouldn't 'match' what he wanted for the PT, and of course the people
that like the PT sometimes find the OT clunky, slow, and outdated....
Wrong. You can't please some of the old fans. I think most of us had an open mind about the PT going in. Hell, speaking for myself, I was a bit of an apologist for Episodes I and II - read my first post in this thread.
As for placating the sugar junkies with "faster and more intense" all the time, as the PT tried to do - well, in layman's terms, this is known as a pacing problem. The fast-moving actions scenes don't stand out if you've got too many of them. But Lucas, in his older, wiser years, seems to have forgotten about the law of diminishing returns. I still love lightsabres, but they're a lot less cool when they're in every other freaking scene.
you can't have your cake both ways, and eat it to..
This is my favorite mixed metaphor ever. Thanks for contributing a new phrase to my vocabulary!
i hear a lot of complaints (skyjedi2005, and vaderisnothayden) that nothing past
1983 is worthy of being star wars, or 'canon' etc.....
Some people do have a hard stance on this issue. Speaking only for myself, I have a "personal canon"; that is, the stuff I like is in my SW canon, the rest is stupid and forgettable. I like a lot of post-83 stuff, especially KOTOR. God I love KOTOR.
well that leaves a huge void doesn't it? who is supposed to write the story?
who's supposed to act it out? who's supposed to direct? do the music?
Lucas could have had almost as big a footprint in a better world as he did in this one if he would have just allowed some legitimate critique from producers, design people, screenwriters instead of evoking fear from a bunch of yes men like Prick McCallum. Star Wars (the first film, not the universe/franchise) was great because the younger Lucas was more flexible and open to suggestion - it received invaluable input from ex-wife Marcia, Richard Chew, Gary Kurtz, and others - but no one has ever doubted that Star Wars was a George Lucas film.
i don't think we could even find a majority of people on this site that could agree
on how it should have been handled? some like the EU stuff, others hate it,
same with the 'clone wars' (mixed opinions).......
That's true. For me, and I suspect others, it's not a problem that the PT failed; it's a much bigger problem that the man at the helm steered it wrong while ignoring so many principles of filmmaking he once championed.
The Phantom Editor showed it, plain as day: in 1984, Lucas says that sci-fi films fail because they build an elaborate set and spend film time to show off all their work; in 2003, Lucas admits in the AOTC audio commentary that they filmed a scene expressly to feature the Jango Fett suit.
it's pretty easy to criticize something that exists without supplying any kind of
alternate or substitute...yeah, you could say, just film the 'thrawn trilogy', or
just do episodes 7-9, and include the OT characters.... yeah, well someone
has to write it, and even stories from the EU that included the OT characters
aren't all liked universally....
Well, it's not like LucasFilm gave us keys to the SW kingdom and said "Go make a SW movie/write a SW novel" - no, LucasFilm lets assbags like Karen Traviss write SW novels...
But I do agree that a big problem with SW novels is that the original band of characters is always directly involved with some sort of galaxy-threatening doomsday scenario - I'd go insane if I had to save the galaxy that many times. One of my favorite EU series was the Bounty Hunter Wars trilogy - Luke and company basically didn't exist in those books.
do you really want to see han and leia married with kids? luke getting old?
chewbacca dying?
Honestly, not really. An adventure or two on occasion, fine. But it got to be a bit overdone after so many books.
i don't know.... i'd rather see the time periods inbetween
episode 3 and 4. or even the short time periods between 4-5 and 5-6....
Shadows of the Empire was very good indeed.
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negative1 said:lucas faces a no-win situation, you can't please the old fans, because it wouldn't 'match' what he wanted for the PT, and of course the people that like the PT sometimes find the OT clunky, slow, and outdated....
You phrase this like the PT either had to be the way it was, or it had to be slow and outdated to appeal to the OT fans. But that's not true, and it wasn's a no-win situation. It's entirely possible that Lucas could have told basically the same story while pleasing the OT fans. As an example of this, see the Clone Wars TV show.
vote_for_palpatine said:you can't have your cake both ways, and eat it to..
This is my favorite mixed metaphor ever. Thanks for contributing a new phrase to my vocabulary!
Ha! I hadn't even noticed that. So this is like a 3-way with cake? yummmmm..............
You know of the rebellion against the Empire?
i like cake...
I like Star Wars.
I like girls!
What are these "girls" of which you speak? ;)
The Monkey King - Uproar In heaven (1965) Restoration/Preservation Project
Nezha Conquers the Dragon King (1979) BBC 1.66:1 & Theatrical 2.35:1 preservations
You mean the story about a nine year old boys induction into a weird religious order that dictates that he cannot love any one or ever see his mother again
In fact I kind of like that vision of an old sectarian religion that push Anakin into the dark side even more that Palpatine himself.
so he returns home to find her kiddnapped and raped to death by Sandpeople, so he kills them, all of them, even the children, and the queen who is no longer a queen falls in love with him even more for it
One of the worst idea of the PT indeed. I agree completly. In my silent edit Anakin just comes to Tatooine and find his mother's tomb.
not long later the clone wars break out, the opening battle of which takes place in... a giant gladiator style arena...
Not a so bad idea IMO. Mostly poorly executed, but not a bad idea.
after a couple of second of feeling the power of the darkside, he decides it would be fun to kill some kids and does so
The Idea of having Anakin killing Jedi kids is good to me (well, I don't mean it's good to killing kids of course...! I just say that it's not common to kill kids in big mainstream blockbusters) but it is not well inserted into the story, it feels too rushed. That is a good exemple of what I mean when I'm saying: good story/bad script.
I don't see how it is an example of good story/bad script. That is just bad all the way around. He turns bad in a fraction of a second, he goes from hero to "ah hell, if I am gonna be bad I might as well do it right and slaughter kids, but make the impact less by calling them younglings." That was a horribly dumb part of the story. There was no rational for it, no anything for it, it was nonsensical and pointless. "Go do what must be done" "Yes, master". It is not just the script at fault here. There is nothing badass about killing a bunch of kids. That is the work of a worthless coward, preying on those far weaker than himself, even sicker is preying on those who rely on your for their protection. A much better story would have had Anakin dueling Mace Windu as his first act as a villain. That could have been Palpatine's test of loyalty, rather than killing helpless kids,
"Anakin, in forty seconds three Jedi will come in here to kill me. To make of me just another Sith martyr. Executed without privilege of trial, just because I don't conform to their pathetic Jedi rules! Anakin, you know what must be done, don't you?"
"Yes master."
Door burst open,
"Chancellor Palpatine, you are under arrest! Anakin, get out of the way. Anakin! Anakin? (Anakin slowly turns, and ignites his saber) Whatever he has told you, it has all been lies! He is a Sith Lord! That is their way! Anakin! Don't do this!"
and a brilliant saber battle breaks out on screen, Anakin taking on three Jedi while Palpatine sits behind his desk and watches with glee. He is being beaten and realizes it, finally feeling overwhelmed he truely give into his hatred and anger, in a furry of rage and bursting with force lightning, he cuts down the three Jedi in several rapid strokes of his saber.This scene would also give us the chance to see on screen the real power of the darkside in comparison to the lightside of the force. Something that is talked about in the OT, and seen to an extent with the Emporer's lighting at the end of ROTJ, but seriously underplayed and outright absent in the PT.
As for the Clone Wars beginning in a gladiator arena, that is beyond bad story telling, this is Monty Phython level absurdity. Just try to imagine WWII having begun in the Roman Colosseum. Utterly ridiculous!
Another major failure of the PT that is often cited, is its loss of the black vs. white theme we had from the original. The Empire was absolutely evil, and the Rebels were absolutely good. People like this theme. One reason the Lord of the Rings films were so popular, as unrealistic as it may be, people really like the well defined lines of good vs. evil. This is probably one reason I really liked TPM so much as well, the lines are clearly drawn.
In the PT we have the Jedi, who we always imagined being the good guys turning out to be kind of uptight jerks. We have Obi-Wan who is a bit of a jerk, the nagging and restrictive father figure, who leaves his best friend to die along in agony. And by the time we get to the OT he lies through his nose. And our main hero is saving the day and then accidentally murdering whole villages. An army of Clones is made, who made it? A good guy or a bad guy? Ah, who knows. The Clone Wars are seen as a questionable war. We are not even sure what the separatists are doing that calls for a full scale war against them. There is no black and white in the PT, it is all a bunch of gray. And having Palpatine pull all the strings seemed cool at first, but by the end it got to be a little too much. Here we have one man who single handedly brings the whole galaxy to its knees. Would have liked to have seen him as more of a character who managed to work all things to his advantage, rather than the single omniscient individual calling all the shots and ruling both sides.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
There is nothing badass about killing a bunch of kids. That is the work of a worthless coward, preying on those far weaker than himself, even sicker is preying on those who rely on your for their protection.
I don't think Anakin being a badass instead of a worthless coward is a better story.
Once again, it's the way you show it on screen that determine if it's a good movie or not.
If the script was well made enough to make the killing of the younglings credible, everyone would have said "ho shit Anakin is really becoming Vader now!" instead of "what's the fuck he was a good guy at the begining of the movie". You can make interesting movies out of mediocre plots and mediocre movies out of good plots, I feel like the PT belongs to the second category.
Another major failure of the PT that is often cited, is its loss of the black vs. white theme we had from the original.
I really don't want to sound too much like a Lucas apologist (well I guess it's too late I'm afraid!) but it's what the PT are all about: showing us that the galaxy was not black vs white twenty years before the OT. Lucas took pretty much all the things we knew and show them in a way that we are not prepare to watch. I don't say that the result is great (far from it), I just say that it was an interesting idea and it should be respected as an artist vision. That's why I usualy don't say "it's sucks" or that "Lucas raped my childhood" kind of thing, because 1: the OT was my childhood (so the only thing I'm really pissed off is the DVD of the true original OT) and 2: if we can't live with the PT we just have to not buy the DVDs (or just to make fanedit maybe! ;) )
TMBTM said:I don't say that the result is great (far from it), I just say that it was an interesting idea and it should be respected as an artist vision.
Agreed. If Lucas wanted to take the series somewhere else, it was his choice. Just goes to show, though, that he can't be faithful to any of his past concepts. Also, he has no sense of subtlety or precision whatsoever.
"Now all Lucas has to do is make a cgi version of himself. It will be better than the original and fit his original vision." - skyjedi2005
Here is how I feel about the Anakin kills younglings bit,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHKCL4jOfRg
Good ol' Robot Chicken.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
I'm no Lucas apologist but i think you guys may be taking Star Wars a little too seriously. It is a movie serial, despite how good the original trilogy was.
It is not supposed to be representing reality. You can argue Lucas went against canon in terms of story or changed the rules his fictional universe operates out of, but making claims to great drama out of the original trilogy is a bit of a stretch.
I mean you have a super weapon that destroys planets. That in itself is straight out of science fiction Pulp like smith's Skylark 3. Examined in reality it is laughable. You also have sound in space laughable. The physics are all laughable.
That is why is is a piece of daydream fantasy than real science Fiction. That is why Lucas calls it Space Fantasy and why the films open " A Long Time Ago. In a Galaxy, Far, Far way." Its the same as once upon a time.
Star Wars was a boys adventure wish fulfillment piece Lucas crafted out of his own childhood reading comic books and watching serials like Flash Gordon.
The robot Chicken Piece while funny is wrong. Wrong because he calls himself anakin. At that point he was darth vader.
My favorite is this g4 parody
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjy4pv_BHMU
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
that brings one thing up, that scene when leia tells luke about their mother, needs to be fixed. anyways. good parodies. i'm just glad i didn't have to watch the kids get slain. doesn't change my mind that darth vader is my favorite character.
No, the scene where Padme dies needs to be fixed.
There is no lingerie in space…
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
Gaffer Tape said:No, the scene where Padme dies needs to be fixed.
Exactly.
how do you change that? that's pretty out in the open there and hard to get rid of. unless you have an idea.
