So...will the movie result in the USS Kelvin NOT being destroyed? If they don't save the Kelvin and restore the timeline [Trek Universe A] then there's not much point to it all. But then IF they DO then it's really not a story worth telling cuz whether you are involved with the events of the film or not, the outcome is the Same.
I'll stop before I go cross-eyed.
Hunter6 said:HotRod said:I dunno...Seems a good way to start afresh, and keep all the Trekkies happy about not messing with what's already been told!!
Yes, if this was not Star Trek and I think even non-Fans like the Smart factor in Star Trek. Now, a person does not really have to think deep to see the errors in what Bob Orci is talking about. Trek-fan like most sci-fi fans are smarter then most people and in time I think they will rip Bob Orci's bad alternate timeline universe ideas apart.
one thing that pops out is:
You have two universes-
1.) The Trek A Universe which is the Universe of all past Trek (TOS, TNG,DS9, VOY, ENT and the past 10 movies).
2.) The Trek B Universe which is the JJ Abrams Star Trek Universe.
Now, Nero is not really travels back in time in the Trek A Universe time-line. Nero is leaves the Trek A Universe and goes to the Trek B Universe. Trek B Universe is an alternate timeline which was made by own Nero actions. If Elder Spock leaves Trek A Universe to stop Nero actions in Trek B Universe then Elder Spock is damaging the time-line of Trek B Universe which was made by Nero actions. This is some thing that a character like the Elder Spock would think of. Also a character like the Elder Spock would know about the Many Worlds theory. The Many Worlds theory is the theory that anything thing we do, there are alternate action Universes and there uncountable alternate action Universes. Trek B Universe would just be one other alternate action Universes. The Elder Spock going to Trek B Universe and stopping Nero would be like going to the Mirror Universe and changing the history. A character like The Elder Spock would know that traveling to Trek B Universe is a bad idea, specially seeing like Bob Orci said that his own Trek A Universe continues normally.
Huh???
You, my friend, are thinking waaaay too much about this....and you haven't seen the film yet, so how do you know the story, outcome etc?!?!?!
Hunter6 said:
You have two universes-
1.) The Trek A Universe which is the Universe of all past Trek (TOS, TNG,DS9, VOY, ENT and the past 10 movies).
2.) The Trek B Universe which is the JJ Abrams Star Trek Universe.
Now, Nero is not really travels back in time in the Trek A Universe time-line. Nero is leaves the Trek A Universe and goes to the Trek B Universe. Trek B Universe is an alternate timeline which was made by own Nero actions. If Elder Spock leaves Trek A Universe to stop Nero actions in Trek B Universe then Elder Spock is damaging the time-line of Trek B Universe which was made by Nero actions. This is some thing that a character like the Elder Spock would think of. Also a character like the Elder Spock would know about the Many Worlds theory. The Many Worlds theory is the theory that anything thing we do, there are alternate action Universes and there uncountable alternate action Universes. Trek B Universe would just be one other alternate action Universes. The Elder Spock going to Trek B Universe and stopping Nero would be like going to the Mirror Universe and changing the history. A character like The Elder Spock would know that traveling to Trek B Universe is a bad idea, specially seeing like Bob Orci said that his own Trek A Universe continues normally.
I don't know anything about the story line, but what I am getting from your post is that Nero is the bad guy, he goes back in time to screw things up, and so Spock goes back to stop him. Even if it is a different time line that will not mess with time line A, it is still filled with real people whose lives may be adversely effected by Nero's actions, where if Spock can undo what Nero has done and stop him from doing more damage, then the time line should continue pretty much like it did in time line A. But if Nero is left to do as he pleases, then there is no telling what kind of a nightmare universe he could shift time line B into.
Hmm, didn't Voyager and Enterprise both suggest that there was some secret intergalactic unit that policed time and space to prevent stuff like this from happening? I guess that too is out the window.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
Sounds like a very dumb and convoluted way to change things and not call it a reboot but using time travel as an excuse to change things.
If the timeline is reset by Older spock at the end of the movie and none of this stuff really happened then they have wasted 2 hours of your time for nothing and you deserve your 10 dollars back followed by getting an apology from JJ and him never being allowed to direct a movie again.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
Are we getting into Back to the Future 2 territory here??
The Star Wars universe was like a pure, vestal virgin when it was (and still is) based simply on the coherent, well-made movies of the original trilogy. With the special editions and the prequels, however, it's like George Lucas came along and raped his pristine daughter through the eye socket.
Star Trek, on the other hand, has been an old, wrinkly, STD-ridden whore for many, many years now. This behavior that worships the Star Trek universe in its current state reminds me of the idiots that worship the Star Wars universe after the prequels came out. People that devote themselves to either are loving something that isn't all that great anymore.
Star Trek has amazing portions that I love. I am happy to call myself a Star Trek fan because of them. However, if you want to talk about "lame" contradictions, "lame" explanations, and "lame" story ideas existing in other parts of the Star Trek universe, you're about 30 years too late. While I'm willing to agree that JJ might be like a drunken frat boy out to humiliate and abuse the local town whore, she's not exactly going to be doing anything with him that she hasn't done before and, heck, she'll be getting some money out of it.
"Now all Lucas has to do is make a cgi version of himself. It will be better than the original and fit his original vision." - skyjedi2005
Tiptup said:This behavior that worships the Star Trek universe in its current state reminds me of the idiots that worship the Star Wars universe after the prequels came out. People that devote themselves to either are loving something that isn't all that great anymore.
Good comparison. I guess my feelings on the matter is that even old wrinkled whores deserve retirement and some degree of respect. Having been involved in a long term love affair with this whore since I was quite young, and having had a good deal of attatchment to her, I feel she deserves a good deal more respect that she is getting. And it is not so much that this old hag of a whore wants to come out of retirement, as it is her pimp is making her go out there and earn them a few more bucks. Even going as far as to force her to have plastic surgey, so she can pass as young again and attract the horny little boys and girls.
Bottom line is, while she may have been a self respect lacking whore for much of her life, she was a damn fine whore and deserve better treatment than this. Some of you don't see that. Her pimp doesn't see that. J.J. doesn't see that. They just see her as a whore like any other. And that is truely ashame, she may very well have been the greatest whore who ever lived! Such a great whore they wouldn't let her retire, kept saying, "Just a few more years, baby." Finally, after years of hard work they let her retire, and now, they are telling her she has to go back to work. I cannot abide that! Can you? Does that not weigh on your consciences, you sick and depraved generation?
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
JJ abrams is a joke. I cannot wait until the last episode of lost airs, when fringe is cancelled and star trek bombs so he never is allowed to direct again.
He never even stays with any show beyond a single season. He makes popular crap entertainment, is a tv guy, a hack writer and Star Trek is something he can never do justice to. He will never fill Gene Roddenberry's shoes in fact, he could not even replace Rick Berman.
He is nothing Like Maverick newcomer filmaker playwright and novelist Nicholas Meyer. If i hear someone else dare make comparison of JJ to that Shakepearean Dramatist i think i might lose my lunch.
JJ's superman script is the single greatest abomination in film known to man, second only to Plan nine from outer space. Even Lucas Prequels and Indiana Jones IV are not even in the same realm of bad.
Transformers was an Abomination written by Orci. You had Optimus Frickin Prime saying "my bad" and bumblebee peeing on a guy wtf?
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
Spock would not know if Universe B's alternate time-line was created before or after Nero's actions.
Nero is the alternate factor and him just using the so-called time-ship may have and most likely have created the alternate time-line which is Universe B. Nero's actions would be apart of the Natural history of Universe B because it is an alternate time-line of Nero's actions and Spock's actions to stop Nero would not be the Natural history of Universe B. Spock is the one braking the Natural history of Universe B, not Nero. Spock is also braking the Temporal Prime Directive and the Temporal Agents of Universe A would come down on him, not on Nero.
In The City on the Edge of Forever, Captain Kirk acts to preserve the timeline by allowing Edith Keeler to be killed in a traffic accident. Spock is the one who keeps telling kirk that Edith Keeler must die. Spock is the one character in Star Trek who really follows the Temporal Prime Directive. Like I said Nero is the alternate factor and therefore must continue he actions just as Edith Keeler had to die. If Nero (the alternate factor) is left to do as he pleases and shift Universe B into a kind of a nightmare universe, then it is up to Universe B to stop him, not the Elder Spock of Universe A.
Now, if you read the Elder Spock with Scotty scene of this Abrams trek movie you can see that the writers have dumb down spock and has him breaking the Temporal Prime Directive left and right in this film.
What Bob Orci wrote as his alternate time-line theory for this movie is just dumb. Bob Orci's alternate time-line theory is made just to be confusing to people who do not know physics theories or even Trek physics theories.
This is how JJ Abrams works, He makes his dumb stories and his bad writing confusing to people, so people think "I don't know what is going on... so, it must be smart". You can see these actions of JJ Abrams in play on LOST. JJ Abrams and his writers are just Dumb-asses who are confusing people to make them look smart.
Hell, even MadTV as pointed this out about JJ Abrams and his his writers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixC0HTQgGB0&feature=related
I rather like Lost. I don't think it tries to pretend it is smart at all. J.J. freely admits that when they created Lost, that the idea was to make a show full of intrique and mystery. It was never intended to trick people into thinking it is smarter than it is. The current show runners often mention in the podcast how hard it is to do the show, because their fans are so much smarter than they are. The fans will comb all the fine little details and seek and find hints where none were intended by the creators to be found.
J.J. has not been involved with Lost since season one, since then, he has mentioned not being the biggest fan of the directions it has taken. IMHO, season one was nothing above average. Season two, post J.J. is when I really started to like the show.
I think some of you guys seriously just complain to hell about anything. I can see complaining about taking an original show that stood on its own for a long time and has a huge loyal fanbase, then bending it and twisting it as you like for marketing purposes. But now you bash Lost, a unique show that, like it or hate it, stands on its own quite well and is by far, again IMHO, one of the best original sci-fi shows to hit the airwaves in a very, very, very long time. Like it or hate it, but the show has a lot of merit.
See how far this thing is going? I am one of the harshest critics around here, a skeptic over just about every thing out there. Just read through my posts, I am one of the ones others always tell, give it a chance, calm down, get over it. Some of you have taken this so far, now I find myself nearly on the other side fo the aisle. Not because I have changed, I am still where I was, but because some of you are taking it to the extreme and beyond.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
When JJ Left Alias and Lost in other hands the quality of the shows suffered. Their first seasons were brilliant.
Whats to say he won't pull the same crap on star trek direct the first movie and bounce to whatever next thing he is interested in?
His biggest failure as far as i am concerned is zero fidelity to any franchise he has gotten involved in, i.e. he has too many irons in the fire.
Star Trek needs someone to take it by the reigns and steer it to new levels of greatness not just make a single teen blockbuster flick and then move onto the next thing.
His problem is the very opposite of a George Lucas who stays doing Star Wars forever.
I am of course pissed off at what he is doing to star trek, nothing it seems can last forever and nothing is sacred and the ruin of all these franchises can be tied back to Lucas or Spielberg
Star Wars ruined, Indiana Jones ruined, Transformers ruined, and now star trek.
Manny Coto was bringing Enterprise in the right direction when it became a victim of the ousting of Rick Berman and got cancelled.
You would think trekkies finally got what they wanted berman was canned but the people replacing him have even less respect for Roddenberry and Trek canon history and only see a franchise to exploit for profit.
At least Lucas was able to hold onto the rights for star wars, Roddenberrys estate has no say whatsoever in how jj changes trek to fill the coffers of the banker types at Paramount.
Making movies is a business, only the bottom line matters, the shareholders have to be placated, and whatever. I understand at the same time they no longer care for the fans, are trying to make a new fan base and give the finger to the existing one just like Lucas did with the prequels.
If they cared the enterprise would keep with design continuity of Matt Jeffries and Andrew Probert. Instead they got Ryan Church who worked on the star wars prequels and has nothing to do with trek, to create the abomination we now have to supposedly accept.
The Kirk, Spock and Bones are an alternate/mirror universe and not our Kirk, Spock and Bones we loved from tos and films 1-6. Since this is clearly a new universe we have no emotional attachment to these characters. Now James Kirk is a Hayden rebellious teen angst type . See not my star trek.
I don't believe Orci's Bullshit that the their souls supposedly are the same though their histories and everything we know about them have changed for a stupid 90210 trek jj verse. We all know it is our experiences that have made us who we are, the same as trek's fictional characters.
I may have embraced the new batman but it was not like we had any choice after what shusucker had done to the franchise, The new bond is not my bond and neither is this Trek my Trek. Just like the prequels and special editions are not my star wars.
I never had a connection to Batman i never read the comic, had disliked every film until batman begins. Connery and Brosnan are the only bonds i will accept as canon. The only true trek to me is tos, and films 1-6, and the oot of star wars is the only valid and true canon.
To me William Shatner is James Tiberious Kirk, in the same way Harrison Ford is Han Solo. It would be Like lucas doing a recast with a Teen Han Solo without ford and changing everything we know about the star wars universe to make it all hip and modern for the teen audience. The millenium falcon would be some flashy computerized high tech ship and not the bucket of bolts we know.
Without the Farragut, Tarsus IV. Would James Kirk even be the James Kirk we know, my answer is no. He said in star trek V he needed his pain, that it made him who he was.
The trailer with the new kirk was painfully too much like another movie jj's buddy tom cruise starred in, Top Gun. I have a feeling that if cruise was not to old JJ would have cast him as Kirk.
I refuse to pay ten dollars for a cgi garbage, sci fi top gun ripoff.
Buckle Up he says on the trailer. How about walks out of theater in disgust and demands full refund.
I'll eat my words if in some bizarre twist of fate this movie is actually good and the trailer is supposed to throw us off by thinking it is garbage.
Remember Cloverfield's trailer was a trick, and the movie was a pig in a poke. We have to wait til 2009 to see if the same.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
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"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
Skyjedi said:
"When JJ Left Alias and Lost in other hands the quality of the shows suffered. Their first seasons were brilliant."
I really have a hard time finding much of anything in Lost season one that was all that worthwhile. It is good in retrospect, but for the most part it just felt like a silly soap opera version of survivor with a few mysteries thrown into the mix, which probably would have had lame answers. Back then they said that by the end of the show, everything will have scientific answers. After Abrams left they kicked that idea out and let it be a fullout sci-fi show. For my part, I think it is now the best sci-fi show currently on the air.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
C3PX Said
I think some of you guys seriously just complain to hell about anything. I can see complaining about taking an original show that stood on its own for a long time and has a huge loyal fanbase, then bending it and twisting it as you like for marketing purposes. But now you bash Lost, a unique show that, like it or hate it, stands on its own quite well and is by far, again IMHO, one of the best original sci-fi shows to hit the airwaves in a very, very, very long time. Like it or hate it, but the show has a lot of merit.
See how far this thing is going? I am one of the harshest critics around here, a skeptic over just about every thing out there. Just read through my posts, I am one of the ones others always tell, give it a chance, calm down, get over it. Some of you have taken this so far, now I find myself nearly on the other side fo the aisle. Not because I have changed, I am still where I was, but because some of you are taking it to the extreme and beyond.
C3PX also Said
Season two, post J.J. is when I really started to like the show.
I feel sorry for the other people who have to pick up JJ Abrams' LOST and work with it. If Season Two which is POST-JJ is the season in which you started to really like LOST then you must know that I'm mainly writing about JJ Abrams' LOST and not other writers' LOST. I sorry if I was not clear about that. JJ Abrams, Bob Orci and Alex Kurtzman are the pain in my side. not others. I mainly hate them for taking an original show that stood on its own for a long time and has a huge loyal fanbase, then bending it and twisting it as you like for marketing purposes like you wrote. I also see JJ Abrams, Bob Orci and Alex Kurtzman has just three horrorables in hollywood.
skyjedi2005 said:Manny Coto was bringing Enterprise in the right direction when it became a victim of the ousting of Rick Berman and got cancelled.
You would think trekkies finally got what they wanted berman was canned but the people replacing him have even less respect for Roddenberry and Trek canon history and only see a franchise to exploit for profit.
I share these feelings about Star Trek: Enterprise, Rick Berman and some trek-fans too.
Star Trek: Enterprise was true to canon and Roddenberry vision of Star Trek.
Some Trek-fan say Star Trek: Enterprise is not being true to canon, but I really think that these fans did not really know the canon that deep. Star Trek: Enterprise did not hit people in head with the canon and a person needed to look for it. Things like the blue jumpsuit uniforms, most of the bridge design, the pre-LCARS on the screens and so on were true to canon, but did not hit people in head with the canon. It would have been dumb if the show spend all it's time pointing out what is true to the canon, but it seems some fans needed things spelled out to them.
Now for just for fun I will point out some little things:
The NX-01 ship design came from concept artwork of a pre-TOS USS Enterprise for Star Trek The First Adventure.
The blue jumpsuit uniforms were like the blue jumpsuit uniform that Zefram Cochrane wote in Star Trek: First Contact and like the oranage jumpsuit Zefram Cochrane wote in TOS EP: "Metamorphosis".
The pre-LCARS on the screens, the controls and the computers on The NX-01 were like a cross of the Phoenix's and TOS Enterprise's screens, controls and computers.
The blue doors on the bridge of the NX-01 were like the blue doors on the bridge of Pike's Enterprise in The Cage.
Even the hair styles on the actors were in-line with Star Trek canon. The hair styles were like the 50's hair styles of the cage.
and so on....
Trek-fans ripped into Rick Berman, but Rick Berman was not to blame for the bad things on Star Trek: Enterprise. The bad things on Star Trek: Enterprise were things that fit Brannon Braga's style and not Rick Berman. Rick Berman has been attacked and blamed for the past six years. Even, Brent Spiner came out two weeks ago and said "stop it" to the trek-fan who still attack Rick Berman.
I may not like some of the things that Rick Berman let happen to Star Trek, but Star Trek was never cancelled under Rick Berman's control. Once Rick Berman was ousted, Star Trek was cancelled.
I find it funny that some trek-fans who attacked Star Trek: Enterprise are Now in real hell with Abrams' Star Trek and Now are saying "Even Star Trek: Enterprise was not as Bad as the things we are see coming out of Abrams' Star Trek". They are also saying things like "you know Star Trek: Enterprise was really not that bad".
I guess in someway Abrams' Star Trek is karma pay-back for attacking Rick Berman and Star Trek: Enterprise.
Too bad, the other trek-fans who did not attack Rick Berman or Star Trek: Enterprise have to pay too.
If they cared the enterprise would keep with design continuity of Matt Jeffries and Andrew Probert. Instead they got Ryan Church who worked on the star wars prequels and has nothing to do with trek, to create the abomination we now have to supposedly accept.
I share these feelings too.
Gene Roddenberry had small set of rules for Starship designs. Abrams and Ryan Church did not even try to follow the small, little set of rules for Starship designs than Gene Roddenberry wrote, but then Abrams and crew keep saying that they are keeping true to the canon and Honoring the Canon and Gene Roddenberry.
One of the little rules for Starship designs than Gene Roddenberry wrote is that "That the warp nacelles must all way be in pairs".
Now, just look at the horrorable USS Kevlin with it's one warp nacelle and trek-fans attacked Star Trek: Enterprise which never have a ship like this.
The Kirk, Spock and Bones are an alternate/mirror universe and not our Kirk, Spock and Bones we loved from tos and films 1-6. Since this is clearly a new universe we have no emotional attachment to these characters. Now James Kirk is a Hayden rebellious teen angst type . See not my star trek.
I don't believe Orci's Bullshit that the their souls supposedly are the same though their histories and everything we know about them have changed for a stupid 90210 trek jj verse. We all know it is our experiences that have made us who we are, the same as trek's fictional characters.
I may have embraced the new batman but it was not like we had any choice after what shusucker had done to the franchise, The new bond is not my bond and neither is this Trek my Trek. Just like the prequels and special editions are not my star wars.
I never had a connection to Batman i never read the comic, had disliked every film until batman begins. Connery and Brosnan are the only bonds i will accept as canon. The only true trek to me is tos, and films 1-6, and the oot of star wars is the only valid and true canon.
To me William Shatner is James Tiberious Kirk, in the same way Harrison Ford is Han Solo. It would be Like lucas doing a recast with a Teen Han Solo without ford and changing everything we know about the star wars universe to make it all hip and modern for the teen audience. The millenium falcon would be some flashy computerized high tech ship and not the bucket of bolts we know.
Without the Farragut, Tarsus IV. Would James Kirk even be the James Kirk we know, my answer is no. He said in star trek V he needed his pain, that it made him who he was.
The trailer with the new kirk was painfully too much like another movie jj's buddy tom cruise starred in, Top Gun. I have a feeling that if cruise was not to old JJ would have cast him as Kirk.
I refuse to pay ten dollars for a cgi garbage, sci fi top gun ripoff.
Buckle Up he says on the trailer. How about walks out of theater in disgust and demands full refund.
I'll eat my words if in some bizarre twist of fate this movie is actually good and the trailer is supposed to throw us off by thinking it is garbage.
Remember Cloverfield's trailer was a trick, and the movie was a pig in a poke. We have to wait til 2009 to see if the same.
right on, man!
I know that some non-trek fans do not understand why people are so pissed off by JJ's New Movie or why the new resign that is just called the Enterprise NCC 1701 is enraging people and so on....
Well, Star Trek has had an big impact not just on USA, but on the world. Star Trek is more then just a dumb show from the 60's, It is a part of World History. Changing the Enterprise NCC 1701 is somewhat like if someone redesigned the statue of liberty. This not a extreme view of Star Trek's impact, it is more on the lines of the truth. Star Trek has had and still has an effect on our everyday lives.
http://www.nasm.si.edu/visit/concessions/shops/enterprise.cfm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Enterprise
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_William_Shatner_Changed_the_World
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_influence_of_Star_Trek
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communicator_(Star_Trek)#Relation_to_current_technology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altair_8800#Popular_Electronics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VSS_Enterprise
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VSS_Voyager
and so on....
skyjedi2005 said:When JJ Left Alias and Lost in other hands the quality of the shows suffered. Their first seasons were brilliant.
The first season was brilliant? The first episode was lame! I watched most of the first episode of Lost. My God if I had been on the plane with those people I would've started killing them myself (yes, I think they were that dumb). Just watch the first episode with no knowledge of what's going on. I'll even give you a little example:
Everybody's on the beach trying to help the survivors. They start arguing about who was really on the plane and who might have been on the island when they crashed. All the sudden, some dude comes running out of the jungle talking about finding more survivors. Now remember, everyone else has been on the beach and the plane is in the water. So how did this joker get into the jungle? Oh yeah, turns out he's one of the ones that was on the island from the start (wasn't on the plane). How is that brilliant?! Seems to me that everyone else (including the detective that was so easily fooled) is a bunch of retards.
Lost only got "mysterious" after the first season when they started looking at everyone's past. They managed to explain why Locke was dazed and confused during the first episode and probably a lot of other things. I jumped into a few episodes here and there and just couldn't stand how stupid people were being. "Make sure you type this code in or ...something bad will happen." WTH?! I know what the code does now only because I wasted 2 hours of my life watching one of the season finales.
Now I know some people like Lost, but come on, it's no more brilliant than anything else he's done.
Perhaps the show has changed a lot since I watched it. To bad I'm not willing to sit through season 1 in order to get to the good sci-fi show that it might be now.
What the hell are you guys whining about? It is just a movie!
C3PX said:Bottom line is, while she may have been a self respect lacking whore for much of her life, she was a damn fine whore and deserve better treatment than this.
I can agree with that, but Star Trek is already filled with so many things I already ignore that I can't really see myself getting too bothered by the possibility this new movie will suck (I'll just ignore it). As it is I find myself concerned that this movie will be good just a little more than I care about all movies being good in general.
And, again, as I said earlier, Star Trek has gone through many additions that went from great to crap and back to great again (and then back to crap with Nemesis). While I would like to see the series ended (and hollywood taking chances on new worlds), I'm still open to new adventures on the possibility that we just might get something good again.
Hmm, my greatest hope for a Star Trek movie would be to see a film that reaches the same level of significance certain episodes of TOS or TNG reached. My favorite sci-fi and fantasy experiences are the kind that give me brilliant a sense of realism that causes me to deeply accept what I'm watching (in some way that's hard to describe). The best of Star Trek (for me) has always done this through stories that involved technological limitations, complex social issues, ingenious teamwork, and a humble sense of wonder (or confusion). Even the visuals and sounds in my favorite Star Trek adventures seemed to heighten these qualities. Unfortunately the movies have always gone in the opposite direction of this limited and precise kind of fantasy and drama (with the exception of Insurrection). In the end it gets to the point where Star Trek seems more centered on simplistic, mythical heroes and absurd, sensationalistic confrontations than anything real (and I hate that even when I really enjoy the movies). After all of the various Star Trek movie attempts, I'm guessing that some other franchise will have to come along to create the first, real "Star Trek" movie that upholds the greatness of my favorite Star Trek TV episodes.
"Now all Lucas has to do is make a cgi version of himself. It will be better than the original and fit his original vision." - skyjedi2005
Shatner Claims He Was Shown ‘Fake Script’ by Abrams and his crew
http://trekmovie.com/2008/12/15/shatner-says-abrams-feud-a-game-claims-he-was-shown-fake-script/
Please note that trekmovie.com is a shill site like TF.N and the Comments below are mainly false.
For more info on trekmovie.com being a shill site, please look at past posts on this forum.
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Shatner: I read it and thought it wasn’t very good, but it turned out it wasn’t the script at all.
Hunter 6: I Don't know, The "it wasn’t very good" part seems like this movie from what I've see of the things that have came out.
sean wookie said:What the hell are you guys whining about? It is just a movie!
You need to rephrase that...It's just a movie that no one has bloody seen yet!!!
HotRod said:It's just a movie that no one has bloody seen yet!!!
Hotrod, I understand you do not understand why some trek-fans are mad about this new movie. What I do not understand is why you keep posting a forum on about Disliking this new Star Trek film. You are free to do so, but I'm also free to ignore you.
Dude...Chill out. All I'm saying is that you, like the rest of us, have not seen the film yet. For all you know it might be the greatest Star Trek film ever made (which face it, can't be hard - That was a joke).
I love Star Wars, but even I reserved judgement until after I saw the new set of films. Granted, I was a little disappointed, but man, my hopes were up after seeing the Phantom menace trailer for the first time.
Honestly, what is JJ doing that is so bad? And I'm asking you a honest question, and not trying to take the piss!
Hunter6 said:HotRod said:It's just a movie that no one has bloody seen yet!!!
Hotrod, I understand you do not understand why some trek-fans are mad about this new movie. What I do not understand is why you keep posting a forum on about Disliking this new Star Trek film. You are free to do so, but I'm also free to ignore you.
He makes a valid, on-topic point, however. The ultimate test for suckage will be when the movie comes out and we can judge the final product. If you want to attack specific issues that you don't like, from what you know now, and assume the movie will be horrible, that seems okay, but if others want to disagree with your assumption and wait for the movie to be released, that's okay too. (I'm sort of in between: a lot of stuff I'm hearing and seeing looks dumb, but perhaps there will be some other focus to the movie that I'll be able to enjoy.)
"Now all Lucas has to do is make a cgi version of himself. It will be better than the original and fit his original vision." - skyjedi2005