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Originally posted by TheoOdo:

Rhikter said:

Originally posted by Erikstormtrooper:

"They should have shown why Obi Wan seemed to recognize it in ANH."

Is the fact that he is a Jedi not explanation enough?

That was probably the original intent, but it would have been good to give fans an "oh, that's why!" experience.
To me, the prequels should have really been nothing but one big "oh, that's why!" with some sympathetic protagonists, a single threatening antagonist and action sequences spacing them out.

That sounds to me like something that falls into the "Just because we can, doesn't mean we should" category.

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After this week I will be on Christmas break from my university.  I intend to use the time to put together a packet illustrating to Adywan how 3PO could possibly still be incorporated into AotC and RotS.  I wonder, would anyone have any problem with 3PO simply being owned by the Skywalkers as opposed to being built by Anakin?  I'm looking at this option as the lesser of two evils.

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RoccondilRinon said:

I just found this thread and have to say I love the idea of removing references to Naboo and calling the planet Alderaan. If it can be pulled off, it should be done.

But you would have to remove the end battle from TPM totally for a start. Remember Leia says "Alderaan is peaceful, we have no weapons"  yet the Gungans do and Naboo have starfighters. Then there's the matter of Bail organa. Now in the PT a senator represents the planet. Palpatine is senator for Naboo then becomes chancellor and Padme then takes his place, but Bail is also a senator. There are just too many things that would need to be changed to make Naboo into Alderaan without making the PT even more conflicting with the OT than it is already

 

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adywan said:
RoccondilRinon said:

I just found this thread and have to say I love the idea of removing references to Naboo and calling the planet Alderaan. If it can be pulled off, it should be done.

But you would have to remove the end battle from TPM totally for a start. Remember Leia says "Alderaan is peaceful, we have no weapons"  yet the Gungans do and Naboo have starfighters. Then there's the matter of Bail organa. Now in the PT a senator represents the planet. Palpatine is senator for Naboo then becomes chancellor and Padme then takes his place, but Bail is also a senator. There are just too many things that would need to be changed to make Naboo into Alderaan without making the PT even more conflicting with the OT than it is already

 

Naboo has a tiny fleet that looks more fit for a car show than a battle. By the time of ANH under the rule of the Empire they could have very well given up their fleet a long time ago. Also, I doubt Leia is considering the Gungans. The Naboo and the Gungans are more or less two countries on the same planet. When Leia says "we" have no weapons she probably isn't thinking about the Gungans.

 

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Originally posted by RoccondilRinon:

"...removing references to Naboo and calling the planet Alderaan."

This is just completely unnecessary.

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i just thought id drag the 3po debate here. im fully behind ady for removing 3po references into ROTS. the only improvement on this i would like would be a golden 3po being with padme in TPM, so the droids would be together from the start, and we would never actually know how they meet, it would just be something beyond the films, as if they existed for many years prior.

 

getting rid of 3po would mean the throw away line "have the protocol droids mind wiped" would go too (please!) i do like the idea that r2 and 3po have probably been wandering around the tantive IV corridors endlessly for 20 years. so they just end up bitching at each other out of boredom eventually.

 

not sure if this is too personal ady, but where exactly are you from? i was pleasantly surprised that you had a midlands accent!

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Yeah, Naboo do not have a great army, even Panaka say " Our security
volunteers will be no match against a battle-hardened Federation army."

But I think Adywan is right when he say that it will be a mess to do. I think there are other things more important to edit. And turning Naboo into Alderaan (even if it's a sweet idea) could really increase the difficulty editing the rest of the movies.

 

Beside, in the end, I feel like the PT revisited should not be too "radical". I mean, I don't have problem with most of the story, it just needs to be told in an interesting way.

 

For exemple, I think the midichlorians could stay on the PT revisited... let me explain.

To me it's clear that the midichlorians are not the Force, they are just life formes in your blood that helps you to "feel" the Force, so they did not rape my childhood like I heard so many times. Beside, in the OT, Yoda himself say to Luke that the Force is strong in his family, so in a way, it was a kind of genetic thing from the begining: you can't be strong with the Force even with a few Obi-Wan lessons, you need to have "the Force" in your blood! In a way, ESB is the movie that allowed the midichlorians. (sacrilege! I know...  ;) )

I would like to make clear that Palpatine is behind the birth of Anakin (through midichlorian manipulations), that would be the "I am your father" of the PT (he almost say that in the ROTS opera scene if you read betwen the lines). Of course you have to find an explanation to: why a slave on Tatooine, and how the hell Qui Gon was so lucky to find him? Maybe some editing could show us that it was all in Palpatine's plan? Difficult too, I know...

 

Anyway, what I want to say is, like Adywan often say, that we can't reshoot the movie, we have to work with what we have. Just let's try to edit things in an interesting and entertaining way never done before in all the PT fanedits. I fell that the simplest ideas are, most of the time, the better.

 

But this thread is great, I like all the crazy ideas around here! Maybe some will find a path to the PT revisited.

 

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I thought about it today and there is absolutely no reason why Midi-Chlorians can't be completely omited from the PT, more specifically TPM.  Considering what we know of Qui-Gon from lines like "Do not defy the council Master, not again" it would be consistent with his Hippie-Jedi character to drag Anakin along to Coruscant simply on the basis of a hunch.

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adywan said:
RoccondilRinon said:

I just found this thread and have to say I love the idea of removing references to Naboo and calling the planet Alderaan. If it can be pulled off, it should be done.

But you would have to remove the end battle from TPM totally for a start. Remember Leia says "Alderaan is peaceful, we have no weapons"  yet the Gungans do and Naboo have starfighters. Then there's the matter of Bail organa. Now in the PT a senator represents the planet. Palpatine is senator for Naboo then becomes chancellor and Padme then takes his place, but Bail is also a senator. There are just too many things that would need to be changed to make Naboo into Alderaan without making the PT even more conflicting with the OT than it is already

 

I would have to disagree with you there, Ady.  Granted, it would take some work, but here is how you can do it:

(1) weapons: being that this is a good 20 to 40 years before ANH (if not 50), you could make it in Episode 2 or 3 (whenever the Emperor gets his complete power over the senate to create the army) that some or all worlds agreeing to the Chancellor getting his war power have to disband their own personal armies - thus Alderaan (and alot of other worlds) become weaponless and thus more open to Imperial entanglements.  All it would take is one or two lines of dialogue (and not even from a main character) to state that.

(2) Padme is the Queen: she shouldn't even be in the senate.  Granted, they have the bit where she gives up her Queenship to become a senator, but that can be removed or rejiggered so she is still the Queen.  Thus, Palpatine is the first acting senator, who is then replaced by Bail Organa, with the Queen making her presence in the senate to warn the other worlds of the consequences of giving the Chancellor the war powers act.  It would be no different that us having a President AND a representative at the UN.

- Also, get rid of the stupid "I got voted Queen again" bit.  Votes and Royalty do not mix.      Either you're King or Queen until death or you're something other than a monarchy.

Also also keep in mind that Leia is a princess, thus Padme almost has to remain a Queen in order for Leia to retain her royal heritage (which is kind of odd if her father is not a member of nobility).

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Another idea is to go by the first draft of THE STAR WARS, where upon Alderaan was the capital of the Empire, not Coruscant.  I always imagined one of the reasons Tarkin picked Alderaan was not just that it was Princess Leia's home, but that it was the former capital of the Old Republic (which was replaced by Coruscant with the creation of the Empire - ie the contrast between Rome [the old empire] and Constantinople [the new empire]).  Destroying it would be a final symbolic gesture that the Republic was truly dead.


The bottom line is that Alderaan should play a major part in the prequels to give the destruction in ANH some more weight - you know, other than the billions of people dying and all.

Besides, isn't Alderaan a much better sounding name than friggin Naboo?  I mean, that sounds like something Mork would say!  It's like Django Fett.  Hey, if you're going to bring up Django, why not call him NERO Fett (as in Franco Nero, who played Django)?  Doesn't that have a better ring to it than Django (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060315/)?

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Speaking of which, why is it that the simplistic and one could argue goofy names in the first 3 STAR WARS films sound cool or fitting (Greedo, Jabba the Hut, Han Solo, Darth Vader, Lobot, Rancor, Sarlacc, hell, even EWOKS, etc) and the names in the prequels sound stupid or beyond childish (Jar Jar, Padme, Naboo, Darth Maul and Sidious, COUNT DOOKU, etc)?  I mean, Lucas named a villian after a Number 2 fer chrissake! 

If he was intending that, couldn't he have just called him Count Bono (http://www.metatube.com/play/6374/South-Park---More-Crap.html)?

         

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ben_danger said:

getting rid of 3po would mean the throw away line "have the protocol droids mind wiped" would go too (please!) i do like the idea that r2 and 3po have probably been wandering around the tantive IV corridors endlessly for 20 years. so they just end up bitching at each other out of boredom eventually.

not sure if this is too personal ady, but where exactly are you from? i was pleasantly surprised that you had a midlands accent!

Let's not forget that the reason 3P0 and R2 have personalities is BECAUSE they've never had their minds wiped!  To do so would turn them into Bender without his brain.

 

         

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and NO MIDI-CHLORIANS!  Jeez, either the Force is an energy wave that encompasses all living things (you know, GOD) that people can tap into or it is microscopic bacteria that you have or you don't.  In the later case, why even say to someone "May the Force be with you"?  Either it is or it isn't.  Don't have midi-chlorians?  Sorry buddy!  My bad!  It makes anyone saying the line stupid or an a-hole and damn near negates everything Obi-Wan and Yoda say in ANH and ESB.

Jebus Ady, this is going to take a loooot of work.  I do not envy you on this one.

         

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TheoOdo said:

I posted about it earlier, but here's two examples of gray colored battle droids which (I believe, anyway) look more mechanical an thus embody the nature-technology conflict that's present in a lot of Star Wars and could go some way to making them a little more intimidating...

http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/4867/graydroidng1.th.jpg,http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/7941/graydroid2us2.th.jpg

 

Also, I don't know about anyone else, but I personally like the idea of all Old Republic Jedi using blue sabers.

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/6958/jedibluevn5.th.jpg

Okay, now I'm just having fun but here's Maul-Grievous. It'd certainly give Maul more purpose, but might be damn difficult to actually get in there.

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/7731/darthgrievousmaulif2.th.jpg

THAT is pretty freakin COOL!  I concur with all of the above!

 

         

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TheoOdo said:
Rhikter said:

I don't like the idea of all the Jedi having blue lightsabers. It seems too tyrannical and uninclusive which is not what the Republic is about.

Well, I hadn't ever thought of it like that. What I really wanted was to show that Luke's new green lightsaber of ROTJ was a whole new age for Jedi, a symbol of the new republic and something that had never existed before.

It's not really supposed to be about uniformity but rather to give Luke's green saber that much more significance.

Well, let's keep in mind that most religions are nothing BUT about uniformity.  The blue lightsabres just show that all of the Jedi are on the same path to enlightenment (I really love the earlier idea of the Jedi and Sith seeking 2 different ends of the Force and not being connected to any governments).

         

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TheoOdo said:

No central, identifiable sympathetic main cast and no nasty antagonist. I was ready to accept Darth Maul in that role but that didn't really work out, did it?

Hence all of the Darth Grevious stuff (Vaderized Darth Maul)

 

         

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Palpatine was the main villain. When i see this Darth Maul Grievous i'm reminded of Darth Maul staying alive after Phantom Menace and getting robotic horse legs. it's totally goofy

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Wow, just saw this thread for the first time. It all seems so familiar somehow... LOL, reminds me a lot of the Starkiller Ranch... and various other prequel edit idea threads that have dropped off page one and disappeared over the years.

One thing I have mentioned before is my personal edit of TPM, one time I went in and just hacked everything out of the film I didn't like. It is much shorter, the changes are drastic, but the story is the same and I think it worked quite well.

First, I kept the opening sequence in the eyes of Qui-gon and Obi-Wan only, no switching back and forth from heroes to the villians. I think it ultimately speeds up the pace of the opening, and makes the villians more villianous. They are waiting to meet with some one, their ride explodes, poisionous gas, robots, try to cut through the door, bigger robots, excape into the vents, stall away and meet up on the planet.

They run into Jar Jar, but they don't ask him for help, I cut the conversation a little, they take off running and Jar Jar says, "More did you say?" and runs after them. Next shot of them they are on the steps of Theed, Jar Jar followed them. No Gungan city, no submarine. Kind of weird Jar Jar just follows them and they don't bother to ask why, but I think it works well enough.

The other drastic thing I did was the podrace, I don't remember how long it was, or how short I managed to make mine, but I really cut the sucker down and sped up the pace. The end result was what felt like a much higher speed race, more like a drag race than stock car racing. I shortened it to one lap, so now it is just zipping through canyons and people blowing up left and right. I used the Beggar's Canyon track from the Shadows of the Empire soundtrack, as has become the standard fanedit scoring for that race, and my whole race runs no longer than the duration of that track.

I am by no means an audio guy, I just don't have an ear for music. I actually really like the stripped down edit of TPM I made for myself, it is my ideal version of the film, but the audio is very rough. If somebody every did an edit with drastic cuts like this with rescoring to cover the cuts, I think it would be a really good edit of the movie. Ultimately you can edit Jar Jar down to a minimum, and he is not too annoying at all, to me this is much more effective than redubbing him (I am a very big opponent of redubbing, I have just never seen a fan edit in which it really worked that well).

Just thought I'd mention these, as I have never seen a current edit go this far before.

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One thing that really bothers me is that all separatist technology is pretty much wiped off the face of the earth by the time of OT. I'd like (especially if battle droids were recolored gray) to maybe see them use rebel transports and IG-88 assassin droids or earlier models of them. I'd like to see a uniform "gray and black" seperatist army with these types of things added to tie into the OT. I also don't understand how Grevious, as cool as he is, is a PROTOTYPE of Vader. I mean maybe I'd believe that if Vader had super streamlined armor and could fight with four lightsabers and climb walls like a spider. Too much seperatist technology looks MORE advanced than what's used in the OT.

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adywan said:
RoccondilRinon said:

I just found this thread and have to say I love the idea of removing references to Naboo and calling the planet Alderaan. If it can be pulled off, it should be done.

But you would have to remove the end battle from TPM totally for a start. Remember Leia says "Alderaan is peaceful, we have no weapons"  yet the Gungans do and Naboo have starfighters. Then there's the matter of Bail organa. Now in the PT a senator represents the planet. Palpatine is senator for Naboo then becomes chancellor and Padme then takes his place, but Bail is also a senator. There are just too many things that would need to be changed to make Naboo into Alderaan without making the PT even more conflicting with the OT than it is already

 

Leia does say "Alderaan is peaceful" but not pacifist.

It would be understandable if it had a small defence force of short range fighters and a standing defensive army but not enough to mount an offensive attack on anybody else.

Also Leia is speaking after the rise of the Empire where such force may have been outlawed but may have been in existence during the time of the Old Republic .

Either way it's largely academic as Leia isn't being honest.

Alderaan is a key supporter of the heavily armed Rebel Alliance, her own ship has weapons and the crew too can be armed to defend the ship ( all be it in a limited capacity when facing the might of an Imperial Star Destroyer).

She's really saying that Alderaan isn't heavily armed or openly rebelling against the Empire (even if they have some weapons and are secretly rebelling against the Empire).

She follows this dissemblance with an out and out lie about the location of the Rebel base.

So her words aren't a serious impediment for merging both planets into one the only objection that really counts is the tastes and decisions of any editors considering the idea.

Even the multiple representative problem isn't a real obstacle, as I posted earlier the British monarch represents UK in some capacities while the Prime Minister represents the UK in others.

Padme could be the constitutional head of state as Queen (later replaced by Viceroy Bail Organa when she steps down), while Senator Palpatine/ Senator Amidala could be the elected representative in the Senate. When the Republican Senate becomes the Imperial Senate Bail could still be the head of state and his daughter could the elected representative. Each of the Senate pods held several people so this structure could have been similar in all the represented worlds.

So it's more up to you and other editors if you want to run with the idea, there is nothing in OT that really gets in the way of implementing this change but as these are your edits you may not wish to go down that route.

 

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In the later case, why even say to someone "May the Force be with you"?  Either it is or it isn't.  Don't have midi-chlorians?  Sorry buddy!  My bad!

Well I don't like much that "superior race' concept ether. I just think there might be a way to give midichlorians an interesting plot in the revisited saga. Deleting all midichlorians references had already been done to death in the SW fanediting world. I don't say that midichlorians should be in the PT revisited, but I think it could, if done well.

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Midichlorians took away all the mysticism that the force once had before the PT. Thanks to that damn saga people now think of the force on a completely different level. It didn't need to be bloody microscopic lifeforms that give people the power to use the force.  In the OT the force had a spiritual and religious nature about it whereas the PT took away all that and replaced it with a scientific explanation. Some people had the ability to use the force while others didn't. Its the same in every day life here. But that didn't need to be explained away as the ones that could use the force had a higher midibloodychlorian count. The OT had the spiritualism aspect and the PT need to be changed to reflect that. There will be no midichlorians in the PT revisited saga. All you have to do is remember Yodas speech about the force in ESB. No midichlorians

For my ally is the Force. And a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. It's energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we... not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you. Here, between you...me...the tree...the rock...everywhere! Yes, even between this land and the ship!

Can you imagine that same speech in the PT?

For my ally is the Force. And a powerful ally it is. Create it and make it grow the midichlorians do. Their energy inside us it is. Symbiotic beings are we... this crude matter we are not. Embrace your inner midichlorians you must. Here, between you...me...the tree...the rock...everywhere! Yes, even between this land and the ship!

I agree that the technology seems light years ahead of what we see in the OT. GL should have shown how the clone wars caused the shift in technology and that times became hard and things technologically wise had come to a standstill. Things in ROTS should have had the "lived in" look that they did in the OT. The clone wars would have used a lot of resources and money and the Empire was starting to take a grip. The end shot in ROTS shouldn't have shown the Death Star being created but instead a vast shipyard of the Imperial fleet being built (which it will do in my edit). So all available money was being ploughed into creating the Empire. The whole ending of that movie was just too rushed to tie up all the loose ends

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Removing all reference to muddy chlorines is relatively simple and has proven to work in earlier edits (the Slumberland Edits are one example where I didn't really notice the references being cut until after the event).

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adywan said:

Midichlorians took away all the mysticism that the force once had before the PT. Thanks to that damn saga people now think of the force on a completely different level. It didn't need to be bloody microscopic lifeforms that give people the power to use the force.  In the OT the force had a spiritual and religious nature about it whereas the PT took away all that and replaced it with a scientific explanation. Some people had the ability to use the force while others didn't. Its the same in every day life here. But that didn't need to be explained away as the ones that could use the force had a higher midibloodychlorian count. The OT had the spiritualism aspect and the PT need to be changed to reflect that. There will be no midichlorians in the PT revisited saga. All you have to do is remember Yodas speech about the force in ESB. No midichlorians

For my ally is the Force. And a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. It's energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we... not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you. Here, between you...me...the tree...the rock...everywhere! Yes, even between this land and the ship!

Can you imagine that same speech in the PT?

For my ally is the Force. And a powerful ally it is. Create it and make it grow the midichlorians do. Their energy inside us it is. Symbiotic beings are we... this crude matter we are not. Embrace your inner midichlorians you must. Here, between you...me...the tree...the rock...everywhere! Yes, even between this land and the ship!

I agree that the technology seems light years ahead of what we see in the OT. GL should have shown how the clone wars caused the shift in technology and that times became hard and things technologically wise had come to a standstill. Things in ROTS should have had the "lived in" look that they did in the OT. The clone wars would have used a lot of resources and money and the Empire was starting to take a grip. The end shot in ROTS shouldn't have shown the Death Star being created but instead a vast shipyard of the Imperial fleet being built (which it will do in my edit). So all available money was being ploughed into creating the Empire. The whole ending of that movie was just too rushed to tie up all the loose ends

My biggest gripes with the tech are the shape shifting bionicle droids and other superfuturistic "war of the worlds" type designs. why is Vader a wheezing clunky metal man when Grevious could climb up walls and fight 4 jedi at once? I really want to see some rebel ships in prime condition too. I think the seperatists should use more of those.

 

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adywan said:

Midichlorians took away all the mysticism that the force once had before the PT. Thanks to that damn saga people now think of the force on a completely different level. It didn't need to be bloody microscopic lifeforms that give people the power to use the force.  In the OT the force had a spiritual and religious nature about it whereas the PT took away all that and replaced it with a scientific explanation. Some people had the ability to use the force while others didn't. Its the same in every day life here. But that didn't need to be explained away as the ones that could use the force had a higher midibloodychlorian count. The OT had the spiritualism aspect and the PT need to be changed to reflect that. There will be no midichlorians in the PT revisited saga. All you have to do is remember Yodas speech about the force in ESB. No midichlorians

For my ally is the Force. And a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. It's energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we... not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you. Here, between you...me...the tree...the rock...everywhere! Yes, even between this land and the ship!

Can you imagine that same speech in the PT?

For my ally is the Force. And a powerful ally it is. Create it and make it grow the midichlorians do. Their energy inside us it is. Symbiotic beings are we... this crude matter we are not. Embrace your inner midichlorians you must. Here, between you...me...the tree...the rock...everywhere! Yes, even between this land and the ship!

I agree that the technology seems light years ahead of what we see in the OT. GL should have shown how the clone wars caused the shift in technology and that times became hard and things technologically wise had come to a standstill. Things in ROTS should have had the "lived in" look that they did in the OT. The clone wars would have used a lot of resources and money and the Empire was starting to take a grip. The end shot in ROTS shouldn't have shown the Death Star being created but instead a vast shipyard of the Imperial fleet being built (which it will do in my edit). So all available money was being ploughed into creating the Empire. The whole ending of that movie was just too rushed to tie up all the loose ends

My biggest gripes with the tech are the shape shifting bionicle droids and other superfuturistic "war of the worlds" type designs. why is Vader a wheezing clunky metal man when Grevious could climb up walls and fight 4 jedi at once? I really want to see some rebel ships in prime condition too. I think the seperatists should use more of those.

 

The Clone Wars series has already shown Y-Wings (in their prime) being used by the Republic http://flickr.com/photos/rocketseason/sets/72157608098402281/

It would be nice to see some more though and perhaps on the otherside.