TMBTM said:I will not argue for ever about how the PT are indeed different from the OT, we all are agree about that and we all agree that the OT are better.
But you remember me those who say that the last album of their favorit rock band sucks because it does not sound like the old ones. But it's still the same band! just different mood and/or age. You can say you don't like the last album, but you can't say it's not the same band. It's just that their vision of the music don't fit yours anymore.
And saying that it's not the same univers sounds a bit like you don't want to face the true. Which is that our so beloved movie saga is not exactly the same anymore. You can blind yourself pretending it's not Star Wars, but the new generations will mostly watch them from ep1 to ep6 and we can't do anything about that. All we can do is to show us the Adywan revisited OT! ;)
PS: This was not an angry post against anyone (as I am french, sometimes I don't know if the tone of my english is appropriate or not!)
But you remember me those who say that the last album of their favorit rock band sucks because it does not sound like the old ones. But it's still the same band! just different mood and/or age. You can say you don't like the last album, but you can't say it's not the same band. It's just that their vision of the music don't fit yours anymore.
Here you're running by the mistaken view that George Lucas is Star Wars. He isn't. Star Wars is a specific phenomenon that comes about from the right people coming together at the right time to create a certain effect, involving many people beyond just Lucas. The new films are Lucas but that doesn't mean they're Star Wars. It's not the same as a music band, because the band is certain individuals. If you have those indivduals you have the band, end of story. Not the same with Star Wars. Just because you have Lucas doesn't mean you have Star Wars. Star Wars is a lot more than just George Lucas's "vision" and George Lucas's vision may have changed but that doesn't mean Star Wars changes with it. George Lucas's vision has become at odds with Star Wars, so what he's making isn't real Star Wars anymore.
And saying that it's not the same univers sounds a bit like you don't want to face the true. Which is that our so beloved movie saga is not exactly the same anymore. You can blind yourself pretending it's not Star Wars, but the new generations will mostly watch them from ep1 to ep6 and we can't do anything about that. All we can do is to show us the Adywan revisited OT! ;)
No I'm not having a problem facing anything. By saying it's not the same universe I'm recognizing the truth about the nature of this stuff. George Lucas is approaching this new stuff in a totally different mentality that makes it a different universe. You can approach the same universe in a different mentality without making it a different universe, but the difference here goes farther than that. Seriously different mentality and universe rules, mixed with glaring inconsistencies. It's truly as if it's an alternate universe Star Wars. That's the reality of this new stuff. I'm not blinding myself by pretending anything. It's blind to ignore the massive chasm between this and the old Star Wars and to pretend that they make up one unit. New generations will include people with different attitudes and mentalities who will approach it in different ways. But if they approach it as six episodes they will be mistaken, fooled by Lucas's bullshit. The true Star Wars is the original trilogy. That's the real Star Wars phenomenon. The new stuff is just the sub-par spinoff that's so different in mentality that it doesn't work as being in the same universe. Don't be so sure that future generations will care about the prequels. The old trilogy will be remembered as classics, the rest will not.
rcb said:you're fine. but yea, we all agree which was better. and if we didn't have the technology today to do to the PT wat lucas has done, it may not be all that disimliar from the OT. still, you're right. its a new age, new generation and so on. i'm sure the next generation will be saying the same as we are one day.
It's not just a new age and generation. A prequel trilogy that was just a new age and generation would have marked differences from the OT but it would be far more in common with it in spirit and vision. This is not jjust a case of older fans rejecting the product of a new age, this is a case of rejecting stuff that's a total betrayal of what went before. Lucas broke with the tradition entirely. It's not just a new age's new version of an older tradition, it's a new tradition. Hence a new universe.
Also, the PT is different from the OT in a lot more than different technology. It's a totally different vision, with a totally different attitude and mentality. If Lucas made the PT with the old technology but the same new mentality, it would still be totally different from the OT. Maybe not as different but still vastly different.