The Clone Wars (2008 animated tv series) - a general discussion thread — Page 11

The locations are a lot more OTish though. There's a lot more hanging out in hangars and black space than just the "exotic planets" of the prequels.

so far its been an awsome series. i hope tnights is better. little graphic for kids though when ventress sends here saber throught the seat and the guys chest. the decapitation of the clone wasn't too bad. i'm glad they're trying to at least keep some of the darkness in the series.

bkev said:

Wow, +1 to skyjedi for editing his post.  It ads a lot more depth to his opinion.

 yeah, the one thing i finally agree with on him.

Hi,

Have to correct you, I'm afraid. Kershner WAS offered RETURN OF THE JEDI but turned it down-he was exhausted after two years on EMPIRE and was unhappy with the JEDI early storyline he was shown. Don't forget, Lucas also wanted Spielberg for JEDI but couldn't get him due to his problems with the US unions. Lucas isn't afraid of using talented people, though there are a lot more YES men in his organisation these days.

I think the CLONE WARS animated series is one of the best things on TV.Period. You can take your Dark Edged BATTLESTAR GALACTICAs and THE DARK KNIGHTs (Yep, EMPIRE was dark but still very audience accessible). STAR WARS has a unique feel, Prequel and Original, and this is a fine series which treads a delicate line with style and imagination-and an animation quality that is unique, too. Don't forget this series is going to evolve the longer it's on. Stick with it or not but theres been some STAR WARS/Lucas bashing recently that I feel has become waaayyy too over the top on the site, especially with people's incorrect information...

SCOTT

www.starwarsaficionado.com

if you want accurate information listen to C3PX. its not a put down. he seems to know wat he's talking about. anyways, i wouldn't go as far as to say its the best thhing on t.v., but yes, a show i look forward to watching every week. it would've been better if it was an hour long episode like startrek, or terminatior or any other show thats and hour long.

I've been watching every new episode. Better than the prequels if you want a pre-OT background but that's not saying much.

i felt like a remix of the rancor battle in that episode. it was cool. somehow i think i've seen that episode before. oh, yea. in the clone wars movie special features. next weeks looks even better.

adywan said:

Vaderisnothayden said:

Nothing with Greivous in it could be OT-ish, Greivous is a character totally at odds with the OT. I very much doubt I would call any of this stuff OT-ish. The movie was even more prequelish than the prequels. I doubt the show could be so different as to be totally on the opposite end of the scale. Modern Hayden-based Anakin, anime-drawn kid, Jar Jar Binks, silly fucking droid troopers, overdone prequelish lightsaber battles, look-isn't-it-cool dark Jedi character, General Greivously Ill-Making... it's not going to be OT-ish.

God just how wrong can you be. I can't believe you can say how crap something is when you haven't even bothered watching it. So many people have told you that its totally different than the Clone wars movie but you say the series can't be "OT-ish" because the movie wasn't. The Anakin character in the series is far removed from the whiny little brat played by Hayden in the prequels. Jar Jar has only been in it once (and that was the only episode i hated). The whole series so far seems more about the characters than the environment, which that alone makes it more OT-ish. God i hated the movie with a vengeance but at least i gave the series a look before i commented about it. And i surprised myself that i'm actually enjoying it.

bkev said:

Octorox, you're fighting a losing battle.  Some people just don't like the Clone Wars, and we oughta respect that.

 

But you can only respect someone who hates it that has actually bothered to see it first.

 

 

Oh quit trying to hit me over the head for not liking your sacred show. When there's been no decent Star Wars screen fiction since 1983 and Lucas clearly has some severely mistaken ideas about Star Wars, then the quality is not going to suddenly rush in in some kid-aimed animated show with awful animation set in the prequels universe. Not going to happen. And I don't care that people have told me the show is not like the movie, I know that the movie is made out of unaired show episodes, so I know there must be something in common, and if the show has ANYTHING in common with the movie then it's going to be bad news. As for the claim that the show could be OT-ish, that's even less plausible then the idea that it might be quality. And I'm not going to change my opinion just because you tell me to. Maybe someday I'll see this show, but until that time I'll reserve the right to bet that it's crap. I can't see it now because they don't show it where I live. So maybe you should get used to me having an opinion you don't like.

And btw, if I ever suffer through episodes of this show and find it is indeed crap then you'll be hearing an awful big I told you so.

skyjedi2005 said:

One of the reasons he hates it is the anime Like style. 

Heck, I don't like anime animation, but even that's better than the Thunderbirds + anime mutation this stuff serves up. It's so horribly unnatural. The most anime thing in it is Ashoka's eyes, which annoy the crap out of me, but there's plenty that's awful about it that's nothing to do with anime. All these still artificial puppet figures. It manages to feel less real than ordinary 2d animation, including anime. The artificiality of it strikes me as coming from the same mindset as the awful feelingless artificial nature of the later two prequels.

And for the record, Thunderbirds type puppets have to be one of the creepiest things ever put onscreen.

negative1 said:

Vaderisnothayden said:

Oh quit trying to hit me over the head for not liking your sacred show.

maybe if you actually HAD a valid opinion about the ACTUAL SHOW people would actually

listen or read what you had to say (but since you haven't actually seen it, not liking something

you haven't seen is kind of preemptive)

When there's been no decent Star Wars screen fiction since 1983 and Lucas clearly has some severely mistaken ideas about Star Wars, then the quality is not going to suddenly rush in in some kid-aimed animated show with awful animation set in the prequels universe. Not going to happen.

right..... and there's nothing to look forward to in the live action show, books, games, comics,

or anything else 'star wars' related... you can just keep re-watching the OOT over and over

again..

As for the claim that the show could be OT-ish, that's even less plausible then the idea that it might be quality. And I'm not going to change my opinion just because you tell me to. Maybe someday I'll see this show, but until that time I'll reserve the right to bet that it's crap. I can't see it now because they don't show it where I live. So maybe you should get used to me having an opinion you don't like.

so you think that people that HAVE actually watched the show don't know what we're talking

about? since you don't know about the actual references to the OT (because you haven't

bothered watching them), that's right tell us something we don't know, when you yourself

admit you don't even know what its about...

 

and then you claim 'someday' you 'might' watch the show? how convenient.

look it up on youtube, download the torrents, download it directly from newsgroups/rapidshare,

but don't complain that you can't find it, or it you can't get it... that's a pretty weak excuse,

maybe you don't want to watch it , and find out you were wrong..

 

And btw, if I ever suffer through episodes of this show and find it is indeed crap then you'll be hearing an awful big I told you so.

there you go presuming again, we'll if you're going to have low expectations, or make up

your mind ahead of time, what's the point? why not lie, and just say its horrible, and spare

yourself the trouble of actually watching it?

 

yeah, and if you're wrong about the show, and actually like parts of it (i almost fainted

when i read skyjedi, and adywan found some positive things about the series)..

i'm pretty sure you wouldn't admit, or even bother posting that you were wrong.........................

 

last time i checked , there was already a post about the 'clone wars' movie,

which is where all your posts should be, maybe you post your thoughts over

there, until you actually do watch the show..

 

later

-1

 

 

maybe if you actually HAD a valid opinion about the ACTUAL SHOW people would actually listen or read what you had to say (but since you haven't actually seen it, not liking something you haven't seen is kind of preemptive)

I think I've quite a bit to go on to give me an idea what this thing might be like. Obviously you guys disagree. But I think I'm entitled to my opinion on what's enough to go on to make a vague ballpark general estimate of something's probable quality.

right..... and there's nothing to look forward to in the live action show, books, games, comics, or anything else 'star wars' related... you can just keep re-watching the OOT over and over again..

Basically yeah. Which is fine by me. The OOT is great. I don't pay a lot of attention to the EU's books and comics, that stuff isn't real to me, though I've sampled some in the past (and I have a nostalgia soft spot for the old Marvel comics). But I was talking about screen fiction and I very much doubt we'll ever see any good new Star Wars screen fiction in this era. I'll check out the live action series when I get a chance, but I expect it'll probably piss me off.

so you think that people that HAVE actually watched the show don't know what we're talking about?

I think their idea of OT-ish is probably different from my idea of OT-ish and I think their idea of totally different from the movie is diffferent from my idea of totally different from the movie. And I'm betting there's a good chance they're giving it some slack for being a kids' animated show, which I wouldn't do.

since you don't know about the actual references to the OT (because you haven't bothered watching them),

I couldn't give damn about references to the OT. References to the OT wouldn't count for me as being OT-ish or quality. I don't want references to the OT, I want the spirit of the OT, and I think Lucas is a million miles from that nowadays and couldn't possibly make anything with that now. And I can see that some people might feel it's got something in common with the spirit of the OT, but I bet my standards for that are stricter and what counts as in common with the OT for them wouldn't count as in common with the OT for me.

that's right tell us something we don't know, when you yourself admit you don't even know what its about...

A lot of people write stuff about what it's about. I can read.

and then you claim 'someday' you 'might' watch the show? how convenient. look it up on youtube, download the torrents, download it directly from newsgroups/rapidshare, but don't complain that you can't find it, or it you can't get it... that's a pretty weak excuse,

No it's not a "pretty weak excuse". It's the facts. Nobody ever told me I could see it on youtube. If you've got a youtube link show me it. As for downloading, that's generally illegal and I don't do it.

maybe you don't want to watch it , and find out you were wrong..

You guys tell me I don't know what I'm talking about and shouldn't be talking about what I don't know about. Well you're doing that here. You're so far wrong what's going on in my head and you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Now that people have made such a fuss about this thing I'd be happy to see some of it to fill in the blanks in my knowledge. And it's not like I expect it to be actually good. I am very firmly confident that quality Star Wars screen fiction is an all-odds-against impossibility from Lucas now.

there you go presuming again, we'll if you're going to have low expectations, or make up your mind ahead of time, what's the point? why not lie, and just say its horrible, and spare yourself the trouble of actually watching it?

Actually if you have low expectations for something and it turns out better than your expectations then you're likely to think better of it than you would if you went in with higher expectations. Basic psychology. And I've made my estimate of the show's quality and I'll stick by that until I get better info, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't give it a chance if I saw it. I couldn't get an accurate impression of it from seeing it if I didn't give it a chance while seeing it. And I believe in having accurate impressions. And maybe you would feel it's ok to lie about seeing something you hadn't seen, but I don't work that way. Just as I don't give "pretty weak excuses" for not seeing something when I have genuine reasons. 

yeah, and if you're wrong about the show, and actually like parts of it (i almost fainted when i read skyjedi, and adywan found some positive things about the series).. i'm pretty sure you wouldn't admit, or even bother posting that you were wrong.........................

Yet again you seem to assume I'm a pretty dishonest guy, from zero knowledge of me. You guys get all riled up about me judging a show from only seeing the pilot and reading about it and seeing photos and knowing the creator's other work, but I think it's a lot worse to prejudge somebody as dishonest based on zero knowledge of their honesty. If I like enough in it to be worth commenting on I might well feel like saying so. Assuming I didn't get the idea I was just going to get more shit over it. But I find it highly unlikely that I'd find much in it to like. 

last time i checked , there was already a post about the 'clone wars' movie, which is where all your posts should be, maybe you post your thoughts over there, until you actually do watch the show..

Precisely what business of yours is it to tell people where to post? Are you a mod? Funny, I hadn't heard that you were. The movie is part of the show, so discussion of the movie fits in here.

later

You know, it's really annoying the way you sign off "later". It just has a sort of "fuck you" tone to it.

Now if you really want me to watch it, link me to youtube's showings of it.

geeze! and i thought i was the madman here. it just sounds like you've had a bad day man. he's always signed off with "later".

I think you might first do well being concerned if negative1 has had a bad day, considering the tone of his post to me. There was a whole lot of sneering and implying I'm dishonest and telling me where I should post. Hardly friendly posting. Maybe we have reason to be concerned that the poor guy has had a really bad day. Otherwise why would he lash out at me like that?

Now, onto other matters. I've gone onto youtube and looked at various bits of the show there. Not terribly impressed. The tone is seriously painful. There was a good moment in the first ep when the Clone troops are talking and basically say they don't get Yoda, but generally the show doesn't seem to be good from what I've seen. Anakin is still annoying and he still frowns like Hayden in ROTS. Ashoka's eyes still make it very hard to relate to the character properly. Ventress is overdone and painful. Yoda has a few moments when he's ok but mostly he's annoying, as he generally is in the prequels. Count Su Doku is still an annoying pompous ass (so many characters in the prequel universe seem pretentious to one degree or another). Those droid soldiers are like fingernails on a black board and Greivous still belongs in a Disney feature. There's a horrible ROTS-ish moment when R2 has been lost and Kenobi coldly tells Anakin he shouldn't be bothered because he shouldn't have attachments. Puke! That's straight out of ROTS's anti-love message. I suppose there could be worse things than this show. I'm not seeing it in ideal circumstances. I'll probably see more of it sometime to get a better notion of it. But I seriously can't get the enthusiasm some people have for it. All in all it could be worse though, I guess. But from what I've seen it's hardly the "step in the right direction" some people have hailed it as being, let alone at all OT-ish.

Oh and I saw the first episode of A Clone Apart, which was way cooler.

The voice for Ashoka isn't badly done, but the eyes really get in the way of that. The voice for Padme doesn't sound right at all. Luminara comes off like a poser, like so many of the prequel era Jedi.

Interesting to know that Ron Perlman voiced the guy who kidnapped R2. I thought there was something familiar about the voice. Really enjoyed Hellboy 2 recently -it was much better than the first one. The animation for his character on the Clone Wars show is one of the better done character animations.

Overall the show has a very shallow feel, if maybe more alive than the movie.

skyjedi2005 said:

If you hated the over the top antics and annoying voice of Jar Jar then avoid Bombad Jedi Clone Wars episode at all costs.  Seriously i wanted to throw something at my computer screen, or smash it into a thousand pieces.

And juding by the previews the show gets even more rediculous.  Seriously the next episode preview after the lair of grivious is as bad as the clone wars movie.

HaydenisnotVAder if you want to see something laughable look at the filoni commentaries on the Episodes where every one is a Lucas ass kissing fest.

George is such a genius when he did this.  lol

If you can stomach heading over to the official Lucas site they have every episode archived and you can watch the full episodes with advertisements of course.  They are only up to the episode before the last one that aired.

The sad thing is the animation in some respects is starting to get better, and is stunning for 3D stylized cgi if you like this style.  Too bad its the same prequel universe and characters we hate and not the oot characters and universe.  Probably for the best though who wants the classic characters to be handled in the same fashion of stupid writing and cringeworthy dialogue.

Not bad for generic kiddy sci fi, or EU prequel stuff for those who eat up anything remotely related to star wars.  Yeah there are spaceships, and jedi and lightsabers but it has ceased to be anything special, new or creative. On the surface it seems to be the same star wars, if you examine closer it is only a pale shadow of the greatness of the oot .   Its like a book with a really nice cover and you open it up and all the pages are blank.

Way back when untold number of years ago Lucas stopped caring and taking his fictional universes of star wars and indiana jones seriously.  Its like a nightmare of some goddamn joke.  Both series have become self parodies of themselves.  These secondary universes established rules and laws and canon have all been turned upside down.

Its no longer about writing something that would be fun to watch, a straightforward adventure story, its about turning a profit and shitting all over the only good films lucas has ever made.

Star Wars has become in a word "junK" that is mass marketed and is no longer special in any sense of the word.  It has been so far watered down from what it originally was, its like every other sci fi and comic book franchise that has been done to death. 

Seriously if you told me that a 3 pretty good movies of a trilogy would lead to this i would not have believed you back in the day during the era after return of the jedi.  That Star Wars would be bled dry by Lucas for a cash cow and only a dollar maker just like star trek.  Star Wars in its purest form and sense died in 1983.

And unlike every other bloated and overdone franchise there is no retcon, recast, rewrite or reboot that can fix it the damage has already been done.  Star Wars is forever sullied and ruined by the special editions and the prequels, and the fact that we will never get the originals in an acceptable quality on dvd ever.

I would say Lucas lifetime but i bet he wrote it into his will that the original never gets restored. 

The great original star wars trilogy that was in 1977-til 1983 is only now alive in our memory in pristine form. But memory is not what the heart desires and a work of art should not be thus treated.  

You either except the gout and stop being a star wars fan and move on with your life, or you can get furious and waste your energy.  Since no letter writing, and no petitions will ever get that Stubborn ass of a man Lucas to cave to our whims of having the originals saved for future generations.

Or you can accept the gout and blissfully pretend the prequels and the special editions never happened and it was all a bad nightmare.

You really do have issues.

sunday256 said (to skyjedi):

You really do have issues.

 

Because he doesn't worship The Great God Lucas? That's having issues?

Negative1: Ok :) 

My above criticisms still standing, the show works better as an animated show than the prequels work as movies, but then I don't expect a lot from an animated show. It's still passing off superficial material as canon Star Wars, which is one of the things that's so wrong about the prequels. If only they didn't push this as canon Star Wars. If they treated it like Droids or something I would have a lot less problem with it. As it stands now, it's part of the unrealness that characterizes modern Star Wars "canon". And speaking of that, I saw Force Unleashed on youtube and it was better than the later 2 prequels and more Star Warsy. Still not canon, though.