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Gaffer Tape said:

Wow, people actually try to rationalize something so unrationalizable (did I just make up a word)?  Do lightsabers even have "stun" settings?

 

 Well if anyone reads the novels I can't remember which one but when Obi Wan is like caught in something Qui Gon turned it down to a "less lethal" setting, but of course a novel is a novel not Star Wars canon, besides it wouldn't make sense with luke on the sail barge in ROTJ beating dudes with it like a neon baseball bat, rather Force Unleashed like. :p

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Okay, so a couple of weeks ago I finally spotted the new OT boxset at a Borders.  I picked it up just to see what it was all about.  The description on the back of the box floored me.  It started out with something like, "The Jedi Knights have been exterminated, and Anakin Skywalker is now Darth Vader.  Now his son, Luke Skywalker..." et cetera.  I'm sure you all agree that that's cringeworthy (whoops, I should say most of us before someone (you know who you are) comes in and excuses me for speaking on behalf of everybody) and completely inane way of marketing the movie.  Does it come as a surprise, though?  Probably not, since George is obsessed with people watching the movies in numerical order.  But seeing as how they're still being officially separated as "Star Wars Trilogy" and "Prequel Trilogy," I would think they'd ease off on the spoilers.  As out of touch as they are, I'm sure they're aware that there are people who do view the Star Wars trilogy by itself or at least first.

And for those of you thinking, "Well, everybody knows that Darth Vader is Luke's father," that's really not the point.  It's about how any movie's plot is presented in a summary like this.  Do you expect to pick up Citizen Kane and have it say, "This is the story of Charles Foster Kane.  Relive the classic tale of a man whose childhood sled prompts him to utter 'Rosebud' on his deathbed, causing an international stir as to why he would say this mysterious word."  Or how about Casablanca?  "...as, in the pivotal moment where he tells her to get on the plane."  No matter how well-known a movie is, you don't give away plot points like that on the back of the box.  Even the '04 and '06 sets, while alluding to the prequel trilogy, were still subtle and professional, with the ESB blurb reads, "... learns a terrible truth about the Skywalker legacy."  There.  It still goes a bit too far in my book, but it does hint at the plot and generate interest without giving anything away.

The real reason I bring this up, though, is because I didn't see the Prequel Trilogy set, and I have to wonder how they're presenting it this time.  The original releases and marketing had no trouble constantly reinforcing the idea that Anakin was going to become Darth Vader.  The back of Revenge of the Sith's DVD even says this outright.  Now, as prequels expected to be seen after and in the context of the original movies, this isn't as bad because they're expecting you to have that perspective, even though they constantly contradict themselves by saying the prequels should be watched first.  However, if they have totally given into that idea now, and the prequels are still promoting Anakin as Darth Vader, then that's just screwed up.  Because now you have both sets, from the very beginning, giving away a major plot point before it's revealed in the case of the OT and before it chronologically happens in the case of the PT.  It seems to me that LucasFilm have absolutely no idea how they want to market these movies, and, in the process, have destroyed the drama involved in watching them no matter what order you decide to watch them in.

Has anybody here seen the back of the box for the prequels so that I can come to a conclusion on this?

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damn you are right,I just looked at walmart's site and on November 4 2008 both the prequel trilogy and original trilogy have a new boxset,jeez how many of these sets are going to come out LOL.

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Well Lucas won't even spend the Money to get a new transfer done of Episode 1 it is like re-released for the fifth time in its extended dvd cut with the bad edge enhancement and dvnr.

Still no true theatrical version or theatrical audio mix.  Only found on the japan laserdisc.

Why be surprised though the original trilogy that made him rich beyond the dreams of avarice got released in 2006 as non anamorphic bonus discs from a laserdisc master. 

Even the 2004 and the prequels dvds have suffered from lack of quality control.  None of the theatical versions on the prequels and new home audio sound mixes and editing.  The 2004 special edition trilogy cut has bad audio on a new hope, unfixed lightsabers and incorrect ruined colors.

These were not deliberate creative decisions these were Lazy releases with zero quality checking or control.  and Like 5 re-releases later the same flaws have not been corrected.  Something tells me the blu ray release when it gets released by slow poke lucas in 2014 when Blu Ray is ending its life cycle it will still have these issues glaringly unfixed.  But it will probably have another sound mix in 7.1 and even more stupid cgi.  But the matte lines around the tie fighters and the ruined Lowry botch job still unfixed.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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Gaffer brings up some very good points about the spoilers. Reminds me of the Planet of the Apes DVD where the statue of liberty appears on the cover, giving away the end before you even start the movie. Even the prequel trilogy cover shows Obi-Wan and Anakin fighting, which is pretty spoilerish.

Many people defend the prequels in their giving everything away, with arguments like, "Oh come on! You already knew all that stuff would happen anyway!" The fact of the matter is, and this is a huge shock to some people, NOT EVERYBODY IN THE WORLD HAS SEEN STAR WARS. Forgive me for shouting. And new people are being born every minute. There are people out there who are, and will, experience Star Wars for the first time beginning with TPM and ending with ROTJ. I admit it would take a fair deal of better planning than George managed in order to have kept things like Anakin being Darth Vader and Luke and Leia being twins (though I still maintain that it could have been accomplished quite easily), fine, we have no choice but to give those up as a lost cause, watching the PT first spoils the OT. But anybody watching it from Episode I with no prior SW experience has no idea what is going to happen, why give everything away on the box out of this ignorant, "Derr derrr derrr, they already know what happens d-d-dummy, deerrr deerr derrrr." retard line of reasoning. 

Gaffers comments on Citizen Kane and Casablanca were pretty cool, they made me laugh. More evidence that normal standards don't apply when it comes to Star Wars.

Sorry Gaff, just saw the prequel set in a store for the first time earlier this evening, but I didn't stop to read the back of the box.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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Damn, so close!

But it does seem like LucasFilm wants to have their cake and eat it too, and they can't have it both ways.  They market the OT as something to watch after the PT, but they market the PT as something to appeal to the curiosity of OT fans.  It's like being caught in a really crappy circle.  There really is no beginning to Star Wars anymore.  How does any new fan know where to begin?  Oh, yeah, I forgot.  They have numbers.  And now a whole generation who doesn't know any better is going to be duped into thinking it's supposed to be watched that way, even though Episode III (of VI, right?) markets itself as "completing the saga."  Wait.  I could have sworn there were three movies left!  Whoops.  Was I supposed to watch those first?  No, that can't be right because the back of that box refers to events that happened in those other movies. 

Geez, to all those people saying that this new Star Wars stuff is bringing in new fans, I have to disagree.  I don't think I'd like Star Wars if I came into this mess...

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Gaffer Tape said:

Geez, to all those people saying that this new Star Wars stuff is bringing in new fans, I have to disagree. I don't think I'd like Star Wars if I came into this mess...

 

'if', that's a big 'if' you have there............ you've already seen the originals before, so

why does it matter how you've seen them, or when?

it's not aimed at you, as a target audience..

you can't retroactively 'guess' that you wouldn't like it.

 

facts are facts, there's more money being made by star wars now, than there ever was.

i pointed out that the franchise is worth over 20 billion in another post... so who is all

that money coming from? not the old fans, that's for sure..

 

later

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Okay, first of all, I can guess whatever I want to guess.  There are no rules to guessing.  There are no prerequisites to guessing.  I resent being told that I'm not allowed to guess because I don't meet your guessing criteria.

Next, you're saying the original Star Wars movies aren't aimed at me?  Well, even if you're right that Star Wars is supposed to be geared at kids, I was nine years old when the marketing convinced me to start watching, so, once again assuming you're right, I believe I was the target audience.  So, nyeh.

And, finally, your 'so who is all that money coming from? not the old fans, that's for sure..'  Well, that's a pretty big reach isn't it?  Do you mind verifying that for me?  Have you conducted polls?  You can't just guess where this money is coming from.  =P

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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you've already seen the originals before, so

why does it matter how you've seen them, or when?

it's not aimed at you, as a target audience..

 

Exactly!! Here is a perfect example of EXACTLY what we are talking about!

 

 

Gaffertape said: "And now a whole generation who doesn't know any better is going to be duped into thinking it's supposed to be watched that way, even though Episode III (of VI, right?) markets itself as "completing the saga."  Wait.  I could have sworn there were three movies left!"

 

I can forgive the "Saga is now complete" bit for marketing sake when it was in the theaters, most people who were going to go see it knew 1, 2, 4, 5, and 6 were already out there. And I guess it can be forgiven for the intial DVD release. But now that we are packaging them in boxed sets, for people to buy and own all six, it seems like it is time to move forward.

With the whole "I could have sworn there were three movies left!" thing, LOL, I think Lucas should have added bookends to the PT, with Luke and Anakin's ghost, played by none other than Hayden, are sitting on logs around a camp fire on the moon of Endor. "Dad, I have been lied to my whole life. I really don't know much about you or mom, where I came from..." "Alright my boy, I'll tell you the whole story. Let me start back at the very beginning. It seems so long ago, I was nine years old, living as a slave boy on Tantooine when my adventures began... [fade to black] "A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away" and STAR WARS theme plays.

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Ending sequence to ROTS plays, Obi-Wan drops off Luke at Owen's place. Instead of closing to credits, close to campfire scene on moon of Endor. Luke stares speechless at the ghost of his father for a few seconds before exploding. "Oh my ****! Holy **** ****! What the ****??!" Falls to knees and starts puking violently. Finally he catches his breath, grasps his hand on his chest, and looks up at the camera in despair and yells, "Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!" Close to credits and que jumpy SW credit music.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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You guys are looking at this in a far too linear and logical manner - not like George. Star Wars is not a chronological series of events or a tale of cause and effect. Star Wars is a fluid gestalt of lightsabers, sacrifice, laser blasts, redemtion, spaceships, and destiny. It's a big moebius strip, with no beginning and no end.

Oh, and it's also worth over $20 billion.

 

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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So, has anyone bought this new set (the OT set)?

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These were not deliberate creative decisions these were Lazy releases with zero quality checking or control.  and Like 5 re-releases later the same flaws have not been corrected.  Something tells me the blu ray release when it gets released by slow poke lucas in 2014 when Blu Ray is ending its life cycle it will still have these issues glaringly unfixed.  But it will probably have another sound mix in 7.1 and even more stupid cgi.  But the matte lines around the tie fighters and the ruined Lowry botch job still unfixed.

 

 I wouldn't be surprised if by 2014 George Lucas will have nipped and tucked the OT more than Joan River's plastic surgen. Who knows how messed up the OT will be by 2014? I wouldn't be surprised if by 2014 George Lucas will have incorperated Jar Jar Binks into all 3 movies of the OT. I wouldn't be surprised if Lucas replaces Alec Guiness with Ewan McGregor. I wouldnt be surprised if George Lucas Replaces Sabastian Shaw's face with Hayden Christienensen in ROTJ. I wouldn't be surprised if GL redubbes Carrie Fisher's lines about "how she remembers her mother". I wouldn't be surprised if all the special effects are redone with fake looking CGI while all the glaring technical errors are left intact.  

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So my question is, has anyone bought the prequel trilogy set yet?  The reason I ask is the whole hype about "never before released deleted scenes" which as a fan editor gets me as excited as a schoolgirl who just figured out what her hoo-ha is for.  

Unfortunately if its the same stuff I already bought, well thats kinda like going on a blind date and finding out someone set you up with your ex.

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Hmm, I've never heard this hype before. As far as I'm aware, it was confirmed a few months ago that these sets are just slimline repackagings. The OT set is the '06 releases, and the PT set consists of the '01, '02, and '05 individual releases.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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LOL, not sure where that hype is coming from, but the poor fools who think they are getting anything new are not. These are exactly what we already have, only they are in silly little slimline cases instead of the full sized ones.

Alright Gaffer, I was at the store today, and I decided to zip by the DVD section today just to check out the back of the PT boxset. It says something along the lines off, the first three parts of the Star Wars Saga follow Anakin Skywalker as he goes from a young slave boy to an evil Sith Lord...

So, yeah...

 

EDIT: Ah, TheTome, after a quick google search, I figured out the mystery of the never seen before deleted scenes. Since they haven't changed anything on these discs and it has the same contents as the previous releases, they simply copied all the contents information from the original DVD release, that actually DID contain never seen before deleted scenes. This set contains those same deleted scenes, but of course they are no longer never seen before. Sloppy marketing. It is good to know there are some things you can count on LFL to deliver on 100% of the time.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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Damn, it C3PX.  I just got back from Best Buy and was about to post the following post:

You're all a bunch of losers.  Since none of you were able to help me out, I had to go find out the answers for myself.  And, as I expected, the back of the PT boxset contains the following:  "The first three movies chart Anakin Skywalker from slave boy to Jedi Knight to evil Sith Lord."  So... who are they marketing these movies to again?  I sure am confused, but I'm not at all surprised.  And neither will anyone who watches these movies, no matter what order you decide to watch them in.

Once again, I have a theory.  Since George is now under the impression that Star Wars is synonymous with The Tragedy of Darth Vader, he may be trying to milk the "tragedy" by taking out the surprise.  I mean, you don't go to a show of Hamlet expecting Hamlet to live through it, right?  Even if you've never seen it before, you know that Hamlet dies.  Oops, maybe I should have spoiler tagged that.  I guess George is following in such noble footsteps by putting his most major plot point on neon signs.

EDIT:  I have to add, though, that that's really the way it's supposed to be.  That's how we all first saw the prequels, knowing that Anakin would be doomed (DOOOMED, I say!), and my first viewing of ROTS was better because I had this foreboding in my stomach that bad things were going to happen.  Like I said before, that's how tragedy works:  knowing someone's screwed but finding out exactly how it happens.  And this works in the context of the OT being Star Wars, and the PT being tragic backstory.  But it still seems weird that they're marketing it this way.  It seems they're playing it safe by dropping the bomb.  They can't pick a side for fear of pissing off a certain fanbase, so they give both sides the same spoiler so they can both feel equally screwed.  =P

Oh, yeah, and you're all still losers.

Oh, yeah, and thanks for checking that out, C3PX.  ^_~

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I don't know, I think if somebody had never seen the ot before and started with the prequels, the turn in episode III might have been pretty shocking. Really, whichever way you watch first you will see stuff revealed that will give away what happens in the other 3.

If someone asked me which to watch first. I'd say oot, then prequels, then Special editions if he/she is still interested. That way you can see it both as audiences did and as the chronological saga.

I still think episode one looks the best on dvd. It was shot on film unlike II and III and the colors are not totally botched like IV-VI. And is presented in anamorphic widescreen without DVNR smearing. I now know what edge enhancement is, I've even seen screenshot examples from the dvd but I've never noticed it on normal tv playback.

(Laputa) Castle in the Sky region 1, now that is an example of bad edge enhancement. I think it looks worse than the oot dvd's. And by the way, Colonel Muska in the (1998 Disney) English dub is voiced by Mark Hamill.

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Yes, I agree.  Obviously whichever trilogy you watch first will spoil events in the other trilogy.  I just find it funny that George is promoting the "saga" in chronological order yet gives away the main spoiler of both trilogies on the back of the boxes, giving everything away before you start watching any of the movies.  I just can't understand where the logic is in that.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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I don't know, I think if somebody had never seen the ot before and started with the prequels, the turn in episode III might have been pretty shocking. Really, whichever way you watch first you will see stuff revealed that will give away what happens in the other 3.

If someone asked me which to watch first. I'd say oot, then prequels, then Special editions if he/she is still interested. That way you can see it both as audiences did and as the chronological saga.

I still think episode one looks the best on dvd. It was shot on film unlike II and III and the colors are not totally botched like IV-VI. And is presented in anamorphic widescreen without DVNR smearing. I now know what edge enhancement is, I've even seen screenshot examples from the dvd but I've never noticed it on normal tv playback.

(Laputa) Castle in the Sky region 1, now that is an example of bad edge enhancement. I think it looks worse than the oot dvd's. And by the way, Colonel Muska in the (1998 Disney) English dub is voiced by Mark Hamill.

 

The transfer of TPM is just bad. It is worse than any of the OT transfers (save the crappy color on the 04 discs). The other two PT transfers are phenomenal simply because there is no transfer at all. It was shot digital.

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Straight from the Lions mouth.

 

http://www.starwars.com/movies/saga/20080826news.html

 

Returning to store shelves on November 4th are the six episodes of the Star Wars saga on DVD bundled in convenient trilogy sets. Perfect for gift-giving as the holidays approach, the Prequel Trilogy set includes Episodes I-III, while the Star Wars Trilogy includes Episodes IV-VI.

 

Fans who already own the prequel trilogy double-disc releases (released from 2001-2005) and the Star Wars trilogy double-disc releases (released in 2006) already have all the content that's available in this set. There's nothing new in this set you don't already have. But for friends and family still looking to fill in these gaps in their DVD collections, these sets make it easy and affordable to complete the saga.

 

 

 

also here as well.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Original_unaltered_trilogy_(DVD)

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Do my eyes decieve me?!?  LFL is actually taking the high road for once and being honest about their products?!?

I guess this truly is the season for miracles!!!!

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I love how they simply cannot manage to make good quality products. All six movies, taking up little shelf space and looking great side by side... err... crap! Anybody notice the spines?

Seriously, how do some of you guys constantly insist on defending LFL when they constantly make silly blunders like this. I can already hear it, "Oh, come on, it doesn't matter that the logos are in different positions! You're too picky, give us a break!!! You intolerant old fossil!" (I am starting to feel pretty sure crap quailty and being proud of it is a post-modernist trend).

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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devils_syndicate said:

Straight from the Lions mouth.

 

http://www.starwars.com/movies/saga/20080826news.html

 

Returning to store shelves on November 4th are the six episodes of the Star Wars saga on DVD bundled in convenient trilogy sets. Perfect for gift-giving as the holidays approach, the Prequel Trilogy set includes Episodes I-III, while the Star Wars Trilogy includes Episodes IV-VI.

 

Fans who already own the prequel trilogy double-disc releases (released from 2001-2005) and the Star Wars trilogy double-disc releases (released in 2006) already have all the content that's available in this set. There's nothing new in this set you don't already have

I'm more interested in what's NOT on them, than what's on them- ie the Lego Demos.

Who knows, maybe someday I'll actually find a human who's bought these and can tell me, because I sure as hell ain't buying them again to find out! LOL!

 

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I know, I have really been wanting to know that same thing too (about the Lego demo). I bet just about anything they didn't change a thing on the discs, it would cost them a lot in having to reauthor the disc just to remove something from them. I think a lot of other movie releases that have game demos on them don't bother to change with future releases, unless of course they are reauthoring the DVD anyway to add more content or the like.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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Is the point that the DVD would have less compression without the lego demo?  would'nt that depend on the quality of the master.  We all know the d2 master looks like shit. at least as it is displayed on the final dvd.

I mean the dvd's look like they were taken from highly circulated 35mm film prints and not from an IP or the original negative.

George had to have better sources for the movies in his collection unless this is how bad all the prints and masters look.

Robert Harris believes Lucas to have pristine elements from the 1997 restoration.

Lucas and LFL's public comments to the contrary are that every film print, master and the original negative were all badly faded and unusable. and That the o-neg was altered physically in 1997. 

The only non faded color reference Lucas had for 1977's Star Wars was his Technicolor dye transfer print.  Which was unfaded but has not been scanned for dvd. This very same print had the 6 track magnetic sound as well. and is being kept locked up in his own private collection.

His kids can get it screened or watch it if they want.  But the average dvd or home theater enthusiast is stuck with the gout.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.