When did the prequels officially suck? — Page 3

Yeah, that's probably true.  But how many have aired so far?  Six or seven?  I haven't been keeping up.

Gaffer Tape said:

Yeah, that's probably true. But how many have aired so far? Six or seven? I haven't been keeping up.

9 episodes, and there's comics/books/and of course a ton of other things to reference.

it's keeping the star wars universe alive, and thriving............yes, i know people are

still talking about the original trilogy....

i wonder how much of that talk is ACTUALLY about anything NEW in them?

i would have thought talk about the originals (excluding EU/books/comics), would

have ran dry a long long time ago.........................

to each their own

later

-1

Vaderisnothayden said:

skyjedi2005 said:

And you think the prequels were bad or had cringeworthy Dialogue Clone Wars was the worst piece of trash to ever come out of the star wars canon. Skyguy, Stinky and Artooie.

Don't forget "punky muffin".

"overweight glob of grease"

"nearsighted  scrap pile"

"nerf-herder"

"don't send one of your twerps"

"walking carpet"

"old fossil"

"hunk of junk"

"sorceror's ways"

"hokey religions"

"fuzzball"

"flea-bitten furball"

"laser brain"

"bantha fodder"

give me a break... they're all just as bad if not worse..

later

-1

thought exercise :

==================================================

[premise]

star wars trilogy ends in 1983...

no movies/books/comics/tv shows/games : NOTHING COMES OUT that

is related to any kind of star wars media , when 'return of the jedi' ends..

NO NEW VIDEO TAPES/ NO LASERDISCS / NO DVD'S/NO BLURAY

no plans to EVER show it again/RELEASE IT AGAIN/re-release it IN ANY FORMAT EVER.. (and no, no one can release anything

related to it either)..

yeah fine, you can keep everything released up until that point..books,

comics etc..

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

would this board exist?

(maybe)

would you even care about star wars anymore?

(possibly)

would you even bother complaining about the original trilogy?

[yes, you would, because at the point, all you would have to

complain about is all the mistakes/errors/problems in the original trilogies]..

basically re-read the threads about ANH:R and ESB:R ,

because that's all there would be to talk about, and you

eliminate half of that because the SE and PT wouldn't exist..

yeah, there's 'star wars' boards out there THAT ONLY TALK ABOUT
the ORIGINAL TRILOGY, and dont' care about the SE/PT/Clone wars,

(like my preservation one)... but guess what?

not a whole heck of a lot goes on there? (mine's on hiatus until next year)..

pretty exciting , right? yeah, i thought so.....

face it, without any new star wars material... you'd be

======================================

1) bored out of your minds

2) watching your same videos over again for the 100th time

3) fantasizing about new some new stars that would NEVER come out...

yeah, that's why i like living in the past so much, because i don't have to

face reality, and the present.......... and be stuck there with the bunch of

you that wish it were true..

later

-1

Baronlando said:

The hell??

If it had all ended in 1983, it would be no different than The Godfather or Jaws or Animal House or any other well-liked movie from that era. It'd be on your shelf and you could watch it if you felt like it, life goes on. THE END.

you might want to pick better examples:

there were 3 more sequels for jaws,

2 more for 'the godfather',

and 2 tv-spinoffs, and 2 movie sequels for 'animal house'..

i doubt any of those made any impact, or created more fans for the original..

unlike 'star war's where all the new material has created a larger, bigger,

fan-following, and demand for more movies/tv shows/books/comics etc..

later

-1

Vaderisnothayden said:

And I'm sick of people saying people are "living in the past" just because they don't like something new that's crap. New isn't always good. Change isn't always good. If the new stuff is crap then that's plenty good reason to reject it and stick with the old stuff. That isn't "living in the past", that's being reasonable.

It's nothing to do with not facing reality. We face the reality that Star Wars has been screwed over. That's why we're "complaining" about it. Facing reality doesn't mean you have to be happy with the state of things. Facing reality doesn't mean you have to accept crap just because it's the in thing now. Facing reality doesn't mean you can't criticise what deserves to be criticised.

 

i realize, and agree partially with what you are saying.. especially about criticism..

but if you think about it..

basically : if old stuff = good

and new stuff = bad,

by your viewpoint, so you shouldn't ever look forward to anything?

be excited about anything? want anything new? read/watch anything good?

[star wars related that is]

that's what i meant about living in the past,

because you'll always be happy there, and

won't have to put up with whats been done...

it's a means of coping with things that are unpleasant,

instead of facing them....

and like i said, what would talk about then? that hasn't

been said before.. yeah, it's not complaining, but its not

very interesting either.

later

-1

Yeah, I have to echo the baron on this one. "The hell??" Not to put your opinions down or anything, but you just described a perfect situation and made it sound like the worse thing in the world. Most of your conclusions are insane.

The idea of it not coming out on home video in any format is pretty unlikely, as it was a huge success. Even though I saw ROTJ in the theater, I was too young to really remember much of the experience. I grew up watching the trilogy on VHS, that was the existence of the trilogy to me. To me, Star Wars was my three VHS tapes and my box of SW figures. So it is pretty close to impossible for me to imagine them not being on home video, they have just always been that way for me. But if I take Star Wars as it was at this point in my life, a few VHS tapes and a box full of toys (think I had a couple of comic too, and I know I had the story books), and then start supposing you scenario with nothing new coming out, it sounds pretty amazing. I would still love them as much as I do, just because I always have. Hopefully they would have received a DVD release, normal nothing fancy, the movie and a few trailer, just like many of the other movies I grew up with that are now on DVD. No SE, no PT, no EU, no OT.com, all those things would be more than fine by me. To me this really would be the perfect situation in regards to SW.

I have no idea why you think we would sit around and complain about the original films just because we wouldn't have the SE to complain about. There would be no reason to complain about them, this is just you assuming that none of us have anything better to do than complain about the SE. Of course we do. The only reason any of us complain about the SE, is because we got burned with it.

It is like the little kid who's younger brother is just born, and suddenly the younger brother gets all the attention and the older kid is completely ignored. In this case his parents have some serious mental issues and go about saying the first kid no longer exists, because the second kid is so much better. They lock the first kid in the basement and keep him there until he is older, then they finally let him out, only they make him wear ugly clothes that are more than ten years out of style, and now that he has spent so many years locked in the basement he is not so well socially adjusted, things just are not right about him, and he looks really crappy and pixelated on an HD TV, because he has not received the love and attention needed. Meanwhile the younger brother is the star of the football team, gets his picture in the paper all the time, has a wall full of trophies. The parents constantly brag about him and beam with pride. When the older brother's name comes up in conversation, the parents look at the floor uncomfortably and go, "Oh, uh, yeah, him. Nearly managed to forget about him. You did have to go and bring up such a sore subject as him did you? Uh.. so... yeah, you've heard about our youngest son, right? The star of the football team? His girlfriend has just given birth to their baby, he is 100% CG and such a sweetheart, a real bundle of joy. Despite poor success at the box office, the little dear has brought new happiness to this household. 

In a situation such as this, the older boy has right to be resentful towards his ghoulish folks. Those sympathetic toward him have right to feel ill of his folks for their ridiculous and unjust behavior. Had he been treated normal, then his friends and people who know him and like him for who he is wouldn't have any reason to complain or speak badly about his parents. So what if his younger brother were successful, given he was provided a normal life and not screwed over by his own parents. There would be no reason to complain about the younger brother, and no reason to complain about the parents. Let's throw the parents and the younger brother out of the equation as you have, -1. Would the older brother go about complaining about himself and his friends about him just because they didn't have the younger brother and the parents to complain about? That is absurd!

Another silly factor in this whole matter are the silly people who go around saying, "Eh, the older brother is too old, ugly, and boring. His parents were right to lock him in the basement, he was their kid after all and they had the right to do whatever they wanted with him. Now STFU!" Liking the younger brother better is one thing, and that is just fine. But justifying the parents for locking him in the basement and taking their side, that is something else entirely.

Just as a website that works to boost cancer awareness and raise money for the treatment of cancer would be unneeded if cancer did not exist, neither would a site like this one where we boost awareness of the foul treatment the older brother received and make petitions and beg that he be treated like a normal human being. The people in charge of the cancer awareness  and fund raising site are likely to be proud of their site and the effort they and their supporters have put forth, but they would be more than happy for it to have never existed in exchange for cancer having never existed. Just as we would be perfectly happy for OT.com to have never existed in exchange for the older brother never having been treated the way he has been.

So, once the older brother is released, treated as a real person, and let to live his life, we will put down our signs, stop making a fuss, and go home happy. Until then, we will continue to make our stink and stand up for the rights of our friend. They can tell us to STFU all they like, but no one will make us STFU. They can say we are obsessive, loosers, fossils, and old fools all they like, but we will continue to stand up for what we know is right. This, and this alone is why we complain and why we will not be silenced!

Hmm, Baronlando, I think -1 just proved your point. Obviously your examples were pretty good after all.

In all those cases the original ones are what stood the test of time, and the sequels mostly forgotten. He said without any sequels to SW we would be bored, complaining about the originals, or complaining about the lack of anything new.

Yet people are not doing that to the movies Baronlando mentioned, people still priase those movies as great movies regardless of their crappy sequels and lack of new material being released every week to three years. Star Wars would have been the same way had the maverick film maker who fought the system and won not gone through the strange transformation that forever changed him from rogue film maker into hardcore business man. Effectively he did to himself what he was afraid the studio system would do to him, instead of the studios taking his original creative ideas and dragging them through the mud by marketing and overusing them to death, he decided to fill that role himself. Almost like it was destined to happen.

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In an alternative universe, old George Lucas looks at his precious film franchise, now a mangled shadow of the great idea it once was. George clinches his fists and grinds his teeth as he remembers what they did to his space opera, what they turned it into. Nine movies and three TV shows, countless hours of Star Wars. What was once seen by the world as something creative, exciting, and new, was now viewed as something old and tired, just another silly franchise having the last drops of blood drained from it. George's face was now red with anger. If only he could have kept them from taking control of his movies. If only he could have somehow kept creative control in his own hands, this never would have happened. Slowly, inhaling deeply, George unclenched his hands, relaxed, and exhaled. If only he could change things. If only it were possible to go back all those years ago and explain to his youngself the importance of keeping creative control to himself. If only it were possible. George's scowl changed to a wild grin. Maybe it was possible after all. The old man lifted his gaze from the floor up to the blue prints hanging on his wall, grinning wider still. They had come to him at great cost, but that was of little concern, he could afford it. Building the machine would likely cost him his entire fortune, and some of the parts would have to be aquired by less than honest means. But that didn't matter, if this worked everything would be altered and the last few decades as he knew them will have never taken place. What George didn't know, is that the universe has a way of correcting itself. Fate cannot be changed.

negative1 said:

would you even bother complaining about the original trilogy?

[yes, you would, because at the point, all you would have to

complain about is all the mistakes/errors/problems in the original trilogies]..

How any of you can take this /r/-tard seriously (when he says completely unfounded and inflamatory things like this) is beyond me. But, whatever . . . have fun trying to argue with someone who has no grasp of reality, you guys.

Tiptup said:

have fun trying to argue with someone who has no grasp of reality, you guys.

I think -1 kind of likes to play devil's advocate, which leads him to take arguments out of the bounds of logic just for the sake of arguing.

I am not really trying to convince him of anything, he will come to whatever conclusions he has his mind set to come to. I was just having fun comparing the OT to a little kid locked in his parents basement, forgotten and replaced by a younger sibling. I think it is a very fitting comparison and surprised it took me this long to come up with it. Too bad so few people will read my stroke of genius due to it being written in the midst of an overly long winded post...

C3PX said:

It is like the little kid who's younger brother is just born, and suddenly the younger brother gets all the attention and the older kid is completely ignored. In this case his parents have some serious mental issues and go about saying the first kid no longer exists, because the second kid is so much better. They lock the first kid in the basement and keep him there until he is older, then they finally let him out, only they make him wear ugly clothes that are more than ten years out of style, and now that he has spent so many years locked in the basement he is not so well socially adjusted, things just are not right about him, and he looks really crappy and pixelated on an HD TV, because he has not received the love and attention needed. Meanwhile the younger brother is the star of the football team, gets his picture in the paper all the time, has a wall full of trophies. The parents constantly brag about him and beam with pride. When the older brother's name comes up in conversation, the parents look at the floor uncomfortably and go, "Oh, uh, yeah, him. Nearly managed to forget about him. You did have to go and bring up such a sore subject as him did you? Uh.. so... yeah, you've heard about our youngest son, right? The star of the football team? His girlfriend has just given birth to their baby, he is 100% CG and such a sweetheart, a real bundle of joy. Despite poor success at the box office, the little dear has brought new happiness to this household. 

Hah, that is pretty brilliant. I don't have anything against what any of you are all saying, really. It's just that negative one goes way out of his way to insult everyone here with incredibly stupid understandings of reality. In that sense I don't think he's worth anyone's time. Hell, just on the basis of the way he pretends to be so sensitive to some of the more extreme statements coming from you guys and then immediately turns right around and makes far more extreme statements (albeit couched in tame langage) is laughable.

Heh, I thought that was hilarious.  The poor older brother looks crappy and pixelated on an HDTV because his parents didn't love him.  I'll be laughing my ass off over that one for days.  ^_^

Baronlando said:

Lucasfilm=deadbeat dad on Maury Povich

George Lucas would then argue he has the right to treat his children however he wants since they owe him their lives. :)

"overweight glob of grease"

"nearsighted  scrap pile"

"nerf-herder"

"don't send one of your twerps"

"walking carpet"

"old fossil"

"hunk of junk"

"sorceror's ways"

"hokey religions"

"fuzzball"

"flea-bitten furball"

"laser brain"

"bantha fodder"

 

give me a break... they're all just as bad if not worse..

Your shoulder must really be aching from such a long reach. All of you PT apologists try this at one time or another. You equate weak snippets of dialogue from the OT (and I would dispute the so-called weakness of those lines you quoted) and say, "See? The OT had bad dialogue too!"

Even if that's true, let's talk degrees. Bob and Ray are both short men. Bob is 5'1", Ray is 2'7". Just because Bob is also short doesn't mean he is nearly as short as Ray.

I'm wasting my time because I don't even think you believe most of this crap you throw up here. Just another Lucas-loving PT apologist. But hey, I've got time to waste too.

negative1 said:

Vaderisnothayden said:

skyjedi2005 said:

And you think the prequels were bad or had cringeworthy Dialogue Clone Wars was the worst piece of trash to ever come out of the star wars canon. Skyguy, Stinky and Artooie.

Don't forget "punky muffin".

"overweight glob of grease"

"nearsighted  scrap pile"

"nerf-herder"

"don't send one of your twerps"

"walking carpet"

"old fossil"

"hunk of junk"

"sorceror's ways"

"hokey religions"

"fuzzball"

"flea-bitten furball"

"laser brain"

"bantha fodder"

 

give me a break... they're all just as bad if not worse..

later

-1

 

Dude, are you serious?  To me, all those lines made perfect sense.

But "skyguy"?  What the hell?  My reason for not liking that is that she is his Padawan and he is the Master/Teacher.  She's not showing any respect to her teacher by shortening his name.  Therefore, she deserves no respect back.

negative1 said:

thought exercise :

==================================================

[premise]

star wars trilogy ends in 1983...

 

no movies/books/comics/tv shows/games : NOTHING COMES OUT that

is related to any kind of star wars media , when 'return of the jedi' ends..

 

NO NEW VIDEO TAPES/ NO LASERDISCS / NO DVD'S/NO BLURAY

 

no plans to EVER show it again/RELEASE IT AGAIN/re-release it IN ANY FORMAT EVER.. (and no, no one can release anything

related to it either)..

 

yeah fine, you can keep everything released up until that point..books,

comics etc..

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would this board exist?

(maybe)

This board exists to get the OT on DVD (no, I do not count the 04 or 06 releases).  If none of those things ever happened, I think Lucas would've release the OT on DVD as a proper release a long time ago.  So no, this board probably wouldn't exist.

 

would you even care about star wars anymore?

(possibly)

Absolutely!  I watched Star Wars every day until I was 13.  Then I was watching it once a week until I was 25.  Then I was watching it several times a month.  I love Star Wars.  I'd still be watching it at parties if it didn't get comments like "These ones were great, but those new movies totally sucked.  When are they going to do the prequels anyway?"

 

would you even bother complaining about the original trilogy?

I didn't and still don't complain about it.  The little inconsistencies it has are nothing compared to the crap that is the PT.  I see things like the matte lines as neat little things to notice, but I don't complain about them.  If they got rid of all those things and completely remastered the movies, I'd be in hog heaven.

basically re-read the threads about ANH:R and ESB:R ,

because that's all there would be to talk about, and you

eliminate half of that because the SE and PT wouldn't exist..

And why would that be a problem?  Hell, just look at what I typed out about Vader/Obi-Wan/Luke and Force sensitivity.  That was four paragraphs that covered a minute or so of film in one movie.

 

yeah, there's 'star wars' boards out there THAT ONLY TALK ABOUT
the ORIGINAL TRILOGY, and dont' care about the SE/PT/Clone wars,

(like my preservation one)... but guess what?

 

not a whole heck of a lot goes on there? (mine's on hiatus until next year)..

And?  That's just because of a lack of participation.  I use to be in a Yahoo group that was dedicated to Star Wars.  I left it because the people that were on it were total morons.  Always asking about shit that was years out of date and could easily be answered by a quick Google search.  There was nothing exciting about the conversation, so I left.

pretty exciting , right? yeah, i thought so.....

Actually, from my perspective, it would be very exciting.  Fans would still be writing Fan Fiction and people would still be making Fan Films.  None of that would end.  People just wouldn't have any knowledge about the prequels, so we'd be able to speculate on how things got to where they are instead of having the crappy story we have now.

face it, without any new star wars material... you'd be

======================================

1) bored out of your minds

Sorry, never been bored watching Star Wars or reading any of the classic books.  Never been bored with any of the fan fiction prior to the prequels either.

2) watching your same videos over again for the 100th time

100th?  You're weak man.  I watched my videos thousands of times.  Since it would likely be on DVD now, I'd be watching that all the time.

3) fantasizing about new some new stars that would NEVER come out...

It doesn't have to come out.  We could speculate all day on where the story could go and never run out of ideas.  That's the beauty of an imagination and a good story to start with.

yeah, that's why i like living in the past so much, because i don't have to

face reality, and the present.......... and be stuck there with the bunch of

you that wish it were true..

Reality?  Dude, it's a series of movies, some books and comics.  There's nothing real about it.

If it bothers you so much to read everything we talk about, why do you keep coming back?

negative1 said:

"overweight glob of grease"

"nearsighted  scrap pile"

"nerf-herder"

"don't send one of your twerps"

"walking carpet"

"old fossil"

"hunk of junk"

"sorceror's ways"

"hokey religions"

"fuzzball"

"flea-bitten furball"

"laser brain"

"bantha fodder"

give me a break... they're all just as bad if not worse..

What??  You must be joking.  The examples you list are excellent examples of "banter".  The original movies were and still are highly praised for their use of clever banter throughout. Many people at the time felt that SW was first and foremost the story of the droids, and their funny bickering was a brilliant device. "Nearsighted scrap pile" and "bantha fodder" always made me chuckle, and "sorcerer's ways" and "hokey religions" were great examples of how the force had become passe and looked down upon in a society run by the Empire.

How can any of your examples possibly compare these with the deeply cringeworthy: "And now that I'm with you again... I'm in agony. The closer I get to you, the worse it gets. The thought of not being with you—I can't breathe. I'm haunted by the kiss that you should never have given me. My heart is beating, hoping that kiss will not become a scar. You are in my very soul, tormenting me... what can I do? I will do anything you ask."  The real agony is having to listen to this embarrassing dialogue... it sounds like it was written by a 3rd grade drama queen.

And by the way, "don't send one of your twerps" was NOT in the original Star Wars, it was wisely cut, and then unwisely re-inserted in the SE.

"... scruffy looking-- nerf herder!"

"Hey! Who's scruffy looking?"

I always recall that one getting some pretty good chuckles out of people. Sure, nobody knew what a nerf was, but easily got the idea that it was a made up farm animal. That little quip, besides being funny, went a long way in displaying Han's personality. He has just been delivered a whole mess of insults and the one and only insult he responds to his the one relating to his looks.

I cannot even begin to see how sorcerer's ways and hokey religion ended up on that list. If you are going to include those two, I am surprised you did not add "ancient religion" in there, and for good measure, "farm boy", "old man", "ya old pirate" should probably be on their too. They'd make about as much sense being on that list as many of the ones you did put on their. You really are reaching. "Sorcerer's ways" is obviously referring to the use of magic and giving us an idea what the general population feel toward the orders of the Jedi and Sith.

I also don't see anything wrong with "hung of junk". "Walking carpet" was a pretty funny line, but almost unfitting for the kind, caring, diplomatic figure Leia would come to be known as, it is pretty much the equivalent of a racial insult.

And I also always thought the line "bantha fodder" was pretty cool. Bantha is obviously a common animal on Tantooine, and we have already been introduced to one in the first film. Growing up, we'd always use the line pig fodder, since pigs will eat anything, including human flesh if given the chance, and more than one of my friend's families owned pigs. "I've gotta be home by 9, or I'll be pig fodder!" (my mom will be so mad she'll feed me to the pigs if I'm not home by nine).

Star Wars' dialogue was filled with emotion, good form, and conceptual significance. Dialogue from the prequels, on the other hand, was boring, awkward, and stupid by comparison. It's sad to watch the many good actors of the prequel trilogy trying to deliver those lines well (it wasn't possible). Ewan McGreggor came the closest to delivering every line well. The actors in the original trilogy had an easy time by comparison.

Were the OT's lines dorky and crass at many points? Sure, and, in that specific, superficial sense, a lot of the crap lines from the PT will seem similar on that basis. But, they still managed to be genuine, heartfelt, and realistic to the degree where their dorky and crass nature promoted likable characters (and that makes all the difference).

I still don't think they suck. 2 out of three of them aren't the greatest but they don't suck. See, Jar Jar didn't bother me because I was a kid when TPM came out, now however I hate the bastard, but in all fairness, if it wasn't for Jar Jar or a kid Anakin I don't think I would've loved star wars from such a young age. The podrace made me bored though, due to a lack of music. The duel at the end was AMAZING and still is to this day. It was at this point when I watched an original Star Wars movie from begining to end, when I went and got TESB from my local library (I'd seen chunks of ANH before but never the entirety of the film). I loved it more than TPM, and then I watched Return of the Jedi and it was my favorite one. I went back at this point and watched A New Hope and I was VERY bored at times. Next came AOTC with less Jar Jar as I was a little older (12 maybe?) It didn't bother me, and the speeder chase kept me entertained (as I was only a pre-teen) the begining of the Clone Wars and Yoda's duel had me amazed. At this point my favourites were: ROTJ, ESB, AOTC, TPM, ANH. When ROTS came out I was so excited, I whent and watched 1 and 2, watched 3 and then the following night I watched 4-6. Slowly my opinion began to change as I matured and ended up being ROTJ, ROTS, ESB, TPM, AOTC, ANH. Now I see it like this: ESB, ROTS, ROTJ, ANH, TPM/AOTC

So they don't suck for me, it's just that on a whole, I like the OT MORE. I still love the PT. You guys grew up watching OT, I grew up watching PT. I've made my mind, I still like PT but again I like OT more.