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monroville said: Let's not also forget that Darth Vader kinda GREW UP on Tatooine, built C3P0

er yes let's forget he built C3P0

also anakin grew up in mos espa - the lars farm is near anchorhead which is nearer to mos eisley and who knows how far from mos espa

regarding vader not picking up on luke and leia - the force is not a completely open corridor into another persons mind, especially the strong mind of a person with latent force talent, as mentioned before leia did not know of vader being her father so he couldn't have read that from her anyway. when luke was on the MF on the death star his presence would have been masked by the probably stronger and certainly more familiar presence of obi-wan. by the time luke and vader are flying through the DS trench vader is beginning to get a handle on things

the biggest question for me is will anakin even know padme's pregnant in the revisited saga
that may be hard to avoid, but if padme survives in these edits then vader would have no reason to believe his unborn children died with her, thus making his not picking up something from luke and leia harder to buy

this is getting complicated
ady come and clean up this mess for us

 

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Monroville said:

Uhh, Darth was over Tatooine in the beginning of the movie!  Even if he couldn't force sense either Luke nor Obi-Wan due to distance (maybe his long distance Force bill wasn't paid yet or he didn't have any "bars"), he WAS able to force sense Obi on the Death Star (being that he was on the MF just a few yards away).  Granted, he may not have recognized it until later, but if he could pick up Obi he could pick up Luke, especially since EMPIRE and JEDI amped the Force sense thing to 100,000 mile+ distances!

Let's not also forget that Darth Vader kinda GREW UP on Tatooine, built C3P0 and knew what R2-D2 looked like among other things.  I mean, if we are to pretend that the Prequels exist as part of the real STAR WARS universe (which I don't), then NONE of this makes sense: would Ben be so stupid as to hide Vader's kid on the same planet Vader grew up on?!  And in the same exact TOWN?!?  And again, if Vader could pick up Luke from a shield generator image a few light years away, I think he could pick him up a few FEET away on the MF after it arrived on the Death Star I, not to mention when he was SHOOTING AT HIS OWN KID in the Death Star trench!

And let's not even talk about Vader NOT knowing Leia was his daughter when he was interrogating her with a MIND PROBE!  Sure, she could have hidden her knowledge of the Death Star tape whereabouts, but everything else would have been an open book, especially with his super sith force powers.

 

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oh man, Star Wars is stupid o.O

it's not real life people, it's just a fantasy! you have to suspend reality.

btw

why didn't the death star just blow up yavin and wipe out the moon in the process?

and if anakin was so concerned about his mother - why didn't he so much as send her a postcard between ep 1 and 2?

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although i heard a rumor that the blueray will actually include a cg postcard in shmii's death sequence

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greedo said:

btw

why didn't the death star just blow up yavin and wipe out the moon in the process?

Presumably the Death Star is built to wipe out solid rocky planets and not big gas giants like Yavin.

But yeah, the whole "Leia as sister" angle is completely stupid on many levels.  Since Darth Vader just knows Luke is his son during the fight in Empire, he should know who Leia is while she's stuck in her cell and wouldn't have to find out from Luke by the time Jedi rolls around.  Not only that, but it completely wipes out the Luke-Han-Leia love triangle from the first two films as undramatically as possible.

That's par for the course for Return of the Jedi, though.  Instead of a disillusioned Luke confronting Obi Wan about his lie about Vader, we get a "certain point of view" BS.  Instead of Han being furious with Lando over his betrayal at Bespin, the two are good pals again almost immediately.  Even the film's climax has Darth Vader growing a conscience with little build-up or reason.  It's a mess of a film I'm not sure even Adywan's significant skills can fix.

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tuffy said:

But yeah, the whole "Leia as sister" angle is completely stupid on many levels.  Since Darth Vader just knows Luke is his son during the fight in Empire, he should know who Leia is while she's stuck in her cell and wouldn't have to find out from Luke by the time Jedi rolls around.  Not only that, but it completely wipes out the Luke-Han-Leia love triangle from the first two films as undramatically as possible.

Not really. If you take ROTS as canon, then Vader has been under the impression that he killed his wife before she gave birth. Thus, he's under the impression that he doesn't have any children whatsoever. He wouldn't be on the lookout for his kids, so there's no reason that he'd be scanning random prisoners for genetic similarities to himself. It's not until after the battle of Yavin that he suspects Luke (whose name, presumably, has become famous by this point, and the presence of the name "Skywalker" along with the boy's strength "in the force" is just a bit too much of a coincidence for Darthy to swallow). But even after Vader has become convinced that Luke really is his son, he doesn't suspect for an instant that his wife gave birth to twins. There's no way he possibly could've known that until he ripped it from Luke's mind on DS II.

So, continuity-wise, it works. But I do agree that, from a story-telling point of view, it's pretty stupid and unnecessary.

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Since the prequel trilogy came out, I've found the reveals in the OT to be no less interesting. I mean, sure the audience knows them already, but it's still interesting to see how the characters will react to such news.

 

It's the horror movie scenario- we know someone is dead, and get to watch the group react when they find out. Movies like these aren't always good, but it's a similar concept.

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Lots of interesting updates from you recently Adywan. 

Although you posted that any new Wampa head model (!) would be shot in the same way as the original's first appearance (seen here at top), I get the feeling that you might be considering copying the whole look of the last original appearance (seen here at bottom).

I'd like to agree with those who seem to far prefer the look of the first appearance Wampa, rather than the brief one with the sticky-up ears and the smooth-looking, wide horns of the last appearance.

If you do a first appearance with horns, I hope you will consider using the excellent-looking first design with another go at added horns by you, rather than copying the last design.

 

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Ripplin said:

-1, I figure what DF Shadow was getting at wasn't so much Ady's excellent color correction and whatnot, but the fact that GL has no interest in releasing a proper version of the OUT...which was the original reason for this site's existence, basically. :p As awesome as Ady's 1080p stuff is, it's still slightly-modified SE versions.

 

^^ Exactly...Thanks for clarifying for me.

 

Negative one took what I said off an odd place.

 

lol

 

Anyway, I'm actually more than content with Ady's version of AnH and can't wait for the rest.

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Lots of interesting updates from you recently Adywan. 

Although you posted that any new Wampa head model (!) would be shot in the same way as the original's first appearance (seen here at top), I get the feeling that you might be considering copying the whole look of the last original appearance (seen here at bottom).

I'd like to agree with those who seem to far prefer the look of the first appearance Wampa, rather than the brief one with the sticky-up ears and the smooth-looking, wide horns of the last appearance.

If you do a first appearance with horns, I hope you will consider using the excellent-looking first design with another go at added horns by you, rather than copying the last design.

 

No, no. The last shot is one that i want to get rid of. The wampa in that shot looks too cutesy. The model, if i even make it, will be closer to the first shot & the SE Wampa

 

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greedo said:

why didn't the death star just blow up yavin and wipe out the moon in the process?

Because that would've been very undramatic and would've ended the movie and story very quickly.

 

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no offence guys, but this isn't exactly the thread to argue why star wars did this or didn't do that. perhaps a topic more germain Adywans empire edit would be appreciated so Adywan doens't have to sift through so much rubbish to find posts of actual importance....

 

 


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adywan said:

No, no. The last shot is one that i want to get rid of. The wampa in that shot looks too cutesy. The model, if i even make it, will be closer to the first shot & the SE Wampa

That is good news!

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Monroville said:

Uhh, Darth was over Tatooine in the beginning of the movie!  Even if he couldn't force sense either Luke nor Obi-Wan due to distance (maybe his long distance Force bill wasn't paid yet or he didn't have any "bars"), he WAS able to force sense Obi on the Death Star (being that he was on the MF just a few yards away).  Granted, he may not have recognized it until later, but if he could pick up Obi he could pick up Luke, especially since EMPIRE and JEDI amped the Force sense thing to 100,000 mile+ distances!

Uh, I never saw it like that at all.  I saw it as if you know about someone, you can sense their presence in the Force.  Since Vader didn't know about his kids, he'd never be able to sense them as individuals, just a couple of lifeforms.  It's similar to how Obi-Wan felt the sudden disturbance that was Alderaan getting blown to smithereens and killing all the people (it was probably more the people he felt being killed than the planet being destroyed).  He likely felt the sudden death of all those people, but not necessarily anyone in particular unless he knew them.

As far as sensing Obi-Wan, he didn't sense him specifically.  He sensed a presence.  A strong Force presence.  It's quite possible that between the presence of his son (even though he didn't know it was his son) and the presence of Obi-Wan, he sensed something strange.  It was similar to Obi-Wan, but not quite right.  Obviously once he (Vader) found out about Leia's escape, that was confirmation enough that Obi-Wan was there.  And if we assume that Luke wasn't Vader's son during ANH, then it's obvious that Vader simply felt Obi-Wan, but didn't remember it.  It had been 20 years since he'd seen his Master, so there's no reason to believe he might forget what his Master's presence felt like.

Once Luke destroyed the Death Star and his name became well known, Vader was then able to reach out with the Force and sense his presence.  He could've felt Leia's presence as well, but there was no need.  In Jedi, Vader only found out about Leia because Luke wasn't able to bury his thoughts deep enough.

So no, I don't see distance as a factor at all.  Vader, I'm sure, could probably sense Obi-Wan if he wanted to.  There was no need to though.  Obi-Wan, at least as far as Vader was concerned, wasn't a threat anymore even if he was still alive.  As for Yoda, according to some of the EU, he was on a planet with a heavy Dark Side presence, which masked his visibility in the Force.  But even if he weren't, why worry about some ancient Jedi Master that's hiding?  Vader's only concern, once he found out about Luke, was in making sure Luke didn't become a trained Jedi.  That's what brought down the Empire anyway.

 

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Look, I apologize for all the Luke-Leia-Vader stuff; it was pretty late on my end and it was something that bugged me for over 15 years and I just started venting.

The bottom line point (if nobody's figured this out, which they have) is that Lucas has been pulling monkeys out his arse since the first movie.  Yeah, yeah, yeah its STAR WARS - there is no possible way to explain it other than it happened a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, or so I heard.

There is not much you can do to fix some of the more arse monkey things other than try to twist your mind around them and justify them to the point of absurdity (you know, like Republicans with W. and Democrats with Clinton.  BTW, That is THE BEGINNING AND END of political mentions - notice I insult/compliment both groups.  The end).

I guess just as long as the Hoth and Endor battles are tremendous I'll be okay, stupid and sporadically useless Force powers and all.

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On link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUYU2G4Fp0w&feature=related

Beginning on 2:50, if you follow Lando and the group through the city hallways, you will notice that some of the windows show blue sky outside (even though it was dusk at their arrival at the landing pad).  Later on, when C3P0 is shot and the door closes, when Chewbacca shows up, you can see the orange tint from the outside lighting.

You will want to keep an eye on the windows to make sure the outside lighting is consistent.

And just to ask, on 3:37 I believe you mentioned you will be using the original "Who are you?" audio clip.  Granted, I understand the voice was the way it was so as to develop the mystery, but would you consider making the voice sound like the Stormtroopers in ANH (with the mike sound and voice pitch)?  No biggie, just an idea.

But please get rid of the stupid red thing that was added to the left side of the shot in the SE on 1:11 here (this clip has the original unaltered scene): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHwBJuwpD6E&feature=related.   This original shot is so much better.

You may want to consider altering this shot too (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKo1yLgKbK8&feature=related at 3:49).  Considering the earlier scenes with Luke jumping down from the carbonite platform, going into the tunnel, fighting in the hallway, and then they are outside a large pod inside the central core under the cloud city - how did they get into the top of the pod?

         

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Monroville said:

On link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUYU2G4Fp0w&feature=related

Beginning on 2:50, if you follow Lando and the group through the city hallways, you will notice that some of the windows show blue sky outside (even though it was dusk at their arrival at the landing pad). Later on, when C3P0 is shot and the door closes, when Chewbacca shows up, you can see the orange tint from the outside lighting.

You will want to keep an eye on the windows to make sure the outside lighting is consistent.

 

Did you not see the SE, those windows were replaced with dusk time ones. The above clip is non SE.



And just to ask, on 3:37 I believe you mentioned you will be using the original "Who are you?" audio clip. Granted, I understand the voice was the way it was so as to develop the mystery, but would you consider making the voice sound like the Stormtroopers in ANH (with the mike sound and voice pitch)? No biggie, just an idea.

But please get rid of the stupid red thing that was added to the left side of the shot in the SE on 1:11 here (this clip has the original unaltered scene): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHwBJuwpD6E&feature=related. This original shot is so much better. I loved the gas mine!

You may want to consider altering this shot too (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKo1yLgKbK8&feature=related at 3:49). Considering the earlier scenes with Luke jumping down from the carbonite platform, going into the tunnel, fighting in the hallway, and then they are outside a large pod inside the central core under the cloud city - how did they get into the top of the pod?

 

Have you ever looked at the Complete Locations book? It shows exactly.

 

 

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adywan said:

No, no. The last shot is one that i want to get rid of. The wampa in that shot looks too cutesy. The model, if i even make it, will be closer to the first shot & the SE Wampa

That is good news!

 

Thank the Maker!  This just gets better and better.  Cheers for clarifying this one Adywan, as I've personally really disliked this particular Wampa design (even though it's very brief) over the years, especially it's overly 'sticky-up' ears and 'smooth' horns (seen more clearly here), compared to it's first appearance -

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I'm sure that whatever combination of looks you eventually decide on with the remaining designs, will turn out great.  I'd rather a curmudgeonly Wampa with 'gnarly'-horns (if shown) over the one in the above shot any day. -

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You forgot this and this

 

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Well that was a marathon read.

First off, Ady my condolences to you and your family on your recent loss, that never gets easy!

 

I have longed for some form of continuity with the overall look of the OT for so long now, & I just Know you are the man for the job.

 

I have to say that having the TIEs go grey is a Feckin' FANTASTIC idea I can't wait to see em in action.

granted I would also like to see the Republic/Empire have nothing but Green Lasers throughout the 6 movies but hay I'll live with it.

there is a shot that I would love to see fixed - please bare in mind, the my mind is more than likely playing tricks on me here-

as Yoda "lifts the X-wing over the swamp (over & away from the camera) the shadow seems reversed to my eye with the engines shadow going forward where as the ship is going nose forward. could somebody please prove me wrong on this one

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BarBar Jinkx said:

as Yoda "lifts the X-wing over the swamp (over & away from the camera) the shadow seems reversed to my eye with the engines shadow going forward where as the ship is going nose forward. could somebody please prove me wrong on this one

Wow, really? I'm gonna check that right now. *checks* Well, I dunno. It's true that you don't really see a long shadow for the nose, but maybe it's just because it's higher and skinnier and the shadow isn't cast? You'd think you would see something, but I'm not sure.

 

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So I'm not imagining it then *phew*

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