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DF Shadow said:

"I'm not sure if i will do anything about that. After all, with Luke missing almost all of them it does show just how inexperienced he is and that Yoda was right when he said that he wasn't ready to face Vader"

 

^^ Makes sense. Your right, it does work better having him miss...plus its not like we don't get to see a more refined warrior in RoTJ.

I would consider having Luke hit one or two and just get overwhelmed.  I can understand him being a novice and all, but he DID almost lift up the X-wing.  So Ady, consider giving Luke at least one or two connects?

 

BTW, here are some extra goodies:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/06/25/DDMH11DRSK.DTL
http://www.thegirlandrhino.com/ (look up AT-AT t-shirt)

(BTW, if anyone can post some pics of the crane and that underpass, that would be fantastic!)

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wampa

Hey Ady, maybe you could change the wampas to look like this!

 

         

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Totally agree with the one or two Luke connects, and here's hoping with Vader's helmet shake....

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adywan said:
Ganamae said:

5:  And something that I have always wondered about, the Ion cannon on Hoth, should it's bolts not be blue?

Now this is something that has only cropped up since the PT and the new Clone Wars cartoon. There were no blue laser blasts ever in the OT. This is one thing that seemed to be added in the PT to go with the over-colourful look of those movies. Turning the Ion cannons lasers blue just wouldn';t work. it fires against a blue background so the laser would just blend in. I don't want to change the colour of lasers at all in the OT

Actually, the blue for ion blasts started in 1991 with the X-Wing game for the PC, and has been the case in all of the games since then as far as I know. Granted, that's EU, but it's pretty old EU (if that matters).

In ANH, the stormtrooper stuns Leia with a blue laser. It could be argued that stun blasts and ion blasts are the same thing.

 

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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I always felt that the blue stun rings were done early in ANH production, before the budget and time crunch started to hit.  Once they saw what it cost to do that more than once, they dropped it.

My outlook on life - we’re all on the Hindenburg anyway…no point fighting over the window seat.

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Erikstormtrooper said:

In ANH, the stormtrooper stuns Leia with a blue laser. It could be argued that stun blasts and ion blasts are the same thing.

 

That would kinda make sense, but Rebels have always fired red lasers, so either way is kosher with me (which is why I brought up the green AT-AT thing: yes, the stormtroopers in ANH fired red lasers from their guns, but the big stuff shot green bolts.  Regardless, moot point).

Here are some other things to consider:

FUN WITH STAR DESTROYERS!

(1) in regards to the Executor and Star Destroyers, the SDs definitely need their engines recolored to blue (being that they are white).  Would you consider changing the Executor engine color to blue to match the SD engines (not a big deal, but a question none the less).  Also need more shadow information on these shots:


the SD is directly underneath the Executor and is just as grey as the one on the background.  Again, engines are white not blue as in ANH (as seen below):




Maybe a test pic for altering the Executor engines to blue (SDs still need blue engines though).

Oh yeah, and the MF needs some blue engine work too:

(2) Now THIS needs some work; I noticed earlier you mentioned you are going to replace the BATTLESTAR GALACTICA shuttle with the tri-wing Lambda class from JEDI (definitely a good idea), but as you can see, the SD the shuttle comes from needs some lighting and shadow work - it looks rather flat and model-ly.



In fact, here is a possible replacement for the upper SD shot seen above (you could either push the Executor further away into the background to accomodate the larger SD shot, or you could either shrink the SD foreground shot below to fit the frame better or move it up inside the frame to give more room below for the Executor to be seen):



(3) and I guess this is the shot you were talking about earlier in the talkback (with the disappearing conning tower)?

(4) the SDs need to shoot more laserbolts!  They got a million of those things (or course they would still MISS... unless they're shooting at asteroids)



And more fun stuff:


         

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Ziz said:

I always felt that the blue stun rings were done early in ANH production, before the budget and time crunch started to hit.  Once they saw what it cost to do that more than once, they dropped it.

Also remember it's not so much a "stun ring" so much as you are seeing the laser bolt come directly at you and then leave your field of vision.  Remember they had to do it in a way that you could still see what was going on (if they used a solid bolt of blue, the whole picture would be blue and thus unwatchable).

 

         

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Here is a modified "Needa shuttle" scene using the images above:

-sorry for the jagged edges - I'm on another computer and just have MS paint to work with-

(1) I horizontally flipped the upper SD shuttle shot to differentiate it from the JEDI shot

(2) I flipped the Executor and shrunk it by 40% (this also keeps consistency in previous scenes where fleet was moving right to left thru asteroid sequence)

(3) cloned SD on left of Executor from unmolested shot (so it's a little bit larger than the SD on the left in this final shot) and inserted on right side (to fill in the space as well as indicate the general direction of the fleet).

(4) I also moved the SD on the left further away from the Executor as it was almost ramming it.

(5) also consider having the Executor and 2 background SDs slowly move towards the bottom left, with the star field slowly moving to the upper right, as the foreground SD slowly moves towards the center point of the frame.

(6) also keep in mind the light source: in the original shot, Needa's SD should be in shadow.  At least with the flipped JEDI SD, the left side is lighter than the right, which matches the light source falling on the Executor and sister SDs.

(7) in regards to the shot length, you could probably start the SD with the nose at the center point (as opposed to it coming into frame, passing overhead, THEN the shuttle drops down, etc), show the shuttle - unfold, and move away and then cut 2 or 3 seconds after unfolding.

(8) and in regards to whether Needa should use the prettier Lamda class or the Box class shuttle, well he IS the captain of a mile long Star Destroyer.  I would think that, being that he is going to apologize to Vader in person (thus Vader would wait patiently), he would take his captain's shuttle and try to leave a good impression (as opposed to going the cheap Motel 6 shuttle pod route).  Instead, all he left was a dead body.  HIS OWN!

Changed shot also indicates Needa's cruiser moving towards Executor to prepare him for Vader meeting.

 

         

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yes it does look like a good alternative for sure, though I would change the ange of the destroyer somehow as it seems to be on a collision course type of movement, not very millitaristic of them :p

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yes it does look like a good alternative for sure, though I would change the ange of the destroyer somehow as it seems to be on a collision course type of movement, not very militaristic of them :p

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Adywan.  I just had ANH:R playing in the background and as the credits were playing I noticed, for the first time, the few measures from Battle of the Heroes that you slipped in before The Throne Room plays.  Very subtle and seamless.  You sly devil : P.

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i wouldn't mind slave one being edited. should it really follow so close to the Falcon? i think han would've figured out he was being followed. Seeing more of the cockpit would be cool also.

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Ganamae said:

yes it does look like a good alternative for sure, though I would change the ange of the destroyer somehow as it seems to be on a collision course type of movement, not very millitaristic of them :p

Remember the Executor and the fleet are still moving too.  If anything, if both ships are moving in a straight line, Needa's SD is heading towards the space behind the Executor's tail, where it would spin around and follow behind the flag ship.  Also remember that the Executor has a docking bay in the tail section, as seen here (thus, if the shuttle drops down and flys to the center right of the screen, it would be heading towards that tail hanger bay):





As you can see, there are 2 docking bays right behind the top 3 engines.

On a side note, www.theforce.net did their homework.  They concluded that the Executor is roughly 12 SDs in length (one element of measurement used was the conning tower - the regular SDs and the Executor's are the same):



now considering that each SD is one mile, that makes the Executor a whopping 12 miles long!  Could you imagine being in the nose and having an important message for Vader?  You know, I'm surprised Mel Brooks didn't do something like that in SPACEBALLS....

         

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Monroville said:



As you can see, there are 2 docking bays right behind the top 3 engines.

Erm,

;-P

Sorry to lower the tone (i keep forgetting this could also be a kids show here).

Those mock ups with Needas shuttle look really fan-fantastic BTW.

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Darth Solo said:
Monroville said:

As you can see, there are 2 docking bays right behind the top 3 engines.

Erm,

;-P

Sorry to lower the tone (i keep forgetting this could also be a kids show here).

Those mock ups with Needas shuttle look really fan-fantastic BTW.

 



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now considering that each SD is one mile, that makes the Executor a whopping 12 miles long!  Could you imagine being in the nose and having an important message for Vader?  You know, I'm surprised Mel Brooks didn't do something like that in SPACEBALLS....

They did make fun of the size of the ship in SPACEBALLS - several times. [I'm not sure if you were serious]

Adywan.  I just had ANH:R playing in the background and as the credits were playing I noticed, for the first time, the few measures from Battle of the Heroes that you slipped in before The Throne Room plays.  Very subtle and seamless.  You sly devil : P.

You mean like in the ROTS end credit music?

 

The modified "Needa shuttle" scene looks pretty decent...

 

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Monroville said:
Ziz said:

I always felt that the blue stun rings were done early in ANH production, before the budget and time crunch started to hit.  Once they saw what it cost to do that more than once, they dropped it.

Also remember it's not so much a "stun ring" so much as you are seeing the laser bolt come directly at you and then leave your field of vision.  Remember they had to do it in a way that you could still see what was going on (if they used a solid bolt of blue, the whole picture would be blue and thus unwatchable).

 

 

That's right. The stun shot looks perfect now (with the portion of her clothing that wasn't blue colored in). It's the same effect we see in ANH when the Imp Commando is shooting directly at the screen (red "rings") before he's gunned down by Han and Luke. So we could imagine that ST Rifle stun blasts probably look just like blue bolts, ANH-style.

 

The "ion canon shots are blue" thing is just a video game convention.

If ion shots were suddenly blue that would just be more confusing, because the Prequels give us blue blaster and turbolaser shots... which are just like the red and green ones, just a different color (ditto with the purple ones).

 

The new The Clone Wars CGI show gives us an "ion cannon" that is a big purplish ring, something we've never seen before (or since). But I wouldn't let that EU crap effect the look of the OT, no way!

It's obvious that the Ion Cannon in ESB is a different sort of weapon than a normal turbolaser. It is given a new name, big setup and it looks like this giant elaborate piece of tech. And we see the effects it has on the ISD in graphic detail. There's no reason to rub it in just to satisfy some people who played some old video games... (regardless of how classic those games were)

 

It'd be sort of like making the Death Star laser blue.... after all, we see blue beams used in ROTS, so somebody could try to argue it should be that color. But it's perfectly fine being green!

 

I say nay on anyone suggesting Chewbacca's bowcastor fire green bolts either (the first place that appeared was in Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight, and in case anyone is curious it was because this was a weapon modified by the Grave Tuskens that Kyle was fighting, and this was several years after ROTJ...). We do see a green bolt firing "crossbow" in ROTS, but it appears to be a different weapon (more like a chopper mounted machinegun) than the one chewie used. The whole EU thing about it being a "cocked" weapon that fires "quarrells" is completely unsupported in the movies. All Chewie's weapon is, is a blaster rifle (firing red shots) that happens to be shaped like a crossbow.

 

Sorry, I just had to get that off my chest!

 

PS: Why the push to insert the Lambda shuttle into ESB? It seems like a waste to use such a huge, unwieldy vehicle just to have Needa take a trip over to apologize. Every other time a shuttle was used it was for somebody important (Vader, Emperor) or was hauling a crew with equipment (Han & co.).

 

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Question:

After the Battle of Hoth Han must break through the imperial blockade of the planet, but when Luke leaves in his X-wing there is no blockade in sight. Any solution to this problem?

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Monroville, X-Wing Mechanic, back on page 108 ImperialFighter went through pretty much every space shot in the movie doing exactly what you're suggesting already (adding to the blockade), with alternate versions and suggestions.  It's a bit much, I should know, I did the adjustments!

Here is one of our takes on the shuttle:

ImperialFighter did the timing and figured that unless the unfolding process was greatly sped up, it would have to be unfolded at the beginning of the shot.

Don't worry, Adyway has seen all this, and has taken them into consideration.

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Kurgan said:

PS: Why the push to insert the Lambda shuttle into ESB? It seems like a waste to use such a huge, unwieldy vehicle just to have Needa take a trip over to apologize. Every other time a shuttle was used it was for somebody important (Vader, Emperor) or was hauling a crew with equipment (Han & co.).

 

I though the exact same thing (but couldn't be arsed to reply). Needas shuttle to me, is a zip - zip from one Star Destroyer to another. Quick and easy.

By the time the Lambada shuttle drops from the hanger, opens it's wings, turns it's lights on etc..etc..Vader would have been standing there holding his cock for hours!! Don't really want to keep the Sith Lord waiting longer than you have to!!

 

 

 

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I am curious if Adwan has any plans to fix the awful looking explosion when the two TIEs crash into each other in the canyon of the asteriod while chasing the Falcon?

 

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X-Wing Mechanic said:

Question:

After the Battle of Hoth Han must break through the imperial blockade of the planet, but when Luke leaves in his X-wing there is no blockade in sight. Any solution to this problem?

Thanks

 

I never thought this was a problem, because I imagined that, as Luke was left behind (having to WALK back, exhausted, from his crashed Snow Speeder), by the time he got off the planet, the Imperial fleet was long gone, having chased in hot pursuit after the bulk of the fleeing Rebel ships. Even if they had noticed a sole fighter straggler, would they really have considered it important enough to divert their ships to go after it? Ironically, Luke was the main reason Vader was there in the first place (to locate him PERSONALLY before the Emperor sensed him).

 

If we see any Imperial ships in those shots, it should be off in the far distance, I would think, unaware of Luke. Otherwise, what is ady going to have to do, make a whole scene of Luke's death defying run through the Imperial blockade? At best they would have only left a few ships behind anyway, but why bother when they could just bombard the site from orbit (since the shield was down) to kill any stragglers? But then I guess they wouldn't do that because if Luke was still on the planet he'd be killed, and Vader's whole point was to capture Luke ALIVE (I've come to think the killing of Admiral Ozzel was more of a ruse than any actual mistake on that guy's part, because Vader wanted to forego the bombardment and capture Luke intact, which would have been difficult if the Rebel base was a smoking crater). At this point in the series, only Vader knows that he has a son... the Emperor and everyone else just wants revenge on the Rebels for destroying the Death Star, and to put a permanent end to their plans against the Empire.

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rcb said:

i wouldn't mind slave one being edited. should it really follow so close to the Falcon? i think han would've figured out he was being followed. Seeing more of the cockpit would be cool also.

 

Ditto on that one, Fett's ship is WAY too close to the Falcon in the 1997 modification of that scene. He should be choking on their exhaust... they should see him in the rear-view mirror. It's not like Fett has a cloaking device, so the scene worked much better in the original version, even if it wasn't quite as pretty.

 

I also hate the dubbed in (as of the 2004 edition) "motor boat" engine sound effects from Episode II. If there really was sound in space, they'd hear him coming a mile away!

 

PS: I like watching Luke get beat up by those objects Vader is throwing. Don't mess with that scene, please!