C3PX said:Okay, so this is what happens when I make assumptions without knowing that much about the backstory.... I shall back out of this thread now. *leaves*
No big deal, you don't have to know everything to qualify for discussion in this thread. I really don't know that much about ST myself, I guess I have seen about every episode of TOS and TNG, and all the films, but not so much of any of the other shows or the deeper lore, I find myself pretty lost and uninterested in ST fandom and nerdy details about it all.
*returns* Ah well that's good to know. I kind of felt I overstepped some boundaries or, something. Seeing as 70% of my TOS knowledge comes from that Tribbles episode... Mabye if I hadn't seen that TOS episode Naked Time on YT I'de be more receptive to the idea of Spock beating on Kirk. As it is, it(the episode) showed Kirk hitting Spock over and, over again and, Spock just taking it. This without inhibitions Spock just taking a hit after hit and, only throwing one punch. Yet, in the trailer Spock is just hitting Kirk and, choking him... Kind of a disconnect to me... I mean if thier friendship starts with choking why wouldn't Spock just choke Kirk after the first slap? To me the Spock fight Kirk thing is just a way to bring in the Heroes fans and, the sight of Sylar on the big screen... Hell, it might just be a dream sequence of Kirk's or, Spock's....
Count Dushku said:
I need to make a comment before I log back out for a real long time.
The reason why Star Trek began to suck began with TNG. Some hack job liberal writers got together and began to spew their evangelical message with all the fervor of fundamentalists. Sure, Rick Berman has his share of the blame, but the writers were the ones who ultimately burned the ship. It got to be too preachy.
If you look back at the list of fan favorite episodes, none of them had a moral message. Best of Both Worlds? All Good Things? Those were when Star Trek was fun. DS9 understood this, as did the last season of ENT. Voyager never did, and certainly the latter half of TNG didn't.
JJ Abrams understands this and has always understanded this in his other work.
I don't give a damn if most of the Trekkers don't like the new Star Trek. Go watch your TNG, you who were in your twenties and thirties when TNG came on. Give those of us who grew up with Star Trek from a young age something cool again.
That is all.
Concerning Voyager, it's about as happy go lucky fun as you can get when you're stranded 70,000 lightyears from home. Seriously, no real worry about loosing many a shuttlecraft, no lasting injury on the ship, whole bunch of food from the replicators, go to the holodeck whenever you're bored, and the majority of the established crew beyond the pilot stayed alive. The happy lives of the Voyager crew become more apparent in Equinox. Ransom(?Not sure that's the name)'s ship also got taken by the caretaker and, thier ship was crap. No replicators, no holodeck, hardly anyone of the crew left alive. Yet, Voyager crew's so happy that assimilation is easy stuff to get over for Janeway, Torres, and Tuvok. Voyager is also hardly preachy. Twice captian Janeway okayed the extinction of two species and, the assimilation of another one. Doesn't sound preachy to me... Then again the big world flood thingy is part of the bible that killed almost everyone on the planet so, mabye I'm wrong about that...