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I don't really like lens flares, and don't think they should be added to movies unless they belong (ie: a scene of a light shining through "glass" that the first person viewer would see if they were in the scene in real life, vs. reminding us that "duh, this is a movie"), BUT if you're going to add any, I suggest making them the oval style of reflections you'd see from an anamorphic camera lens (as the films were created in) rather than the trite "round" lens flare you see in every movie and video game...

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Kurgan said:

BUT if you're going to add any, I suggest making them the oval style of reflections you'd see from an anamorphic camera lens (as the films were created in) rather than the trite "round" lens flare you see in every movie and video game...

Agreed, but here's something to keep in mind.

Any shot where the lens flare itself is to be created by what would have been an optical effect at the time the movie was shot should be a round lens flare, since that would have been shot using horizontally-run 35mm film with a spherical lens (like the original Star Wars) or 65mm film (like Close Encounters or Blade Runner), also with a spherical lens.  (I don't know how ESB and ROTJ's opticals/composites were done)

Any shot where the lens flare itself is to be created by something that would have been shot on-set should have an ovular lens flare, since that would have been shot using an anamorphic lens.

Although personally, I'm a fan of using ovular lens flares for every such flare in a "scope" film, regardless of whether it was shot using anamorphic lenses, super 35 spherical, or 70mm - the circular flares in the IMAX scenes of The Dark Knight bother me, for example.

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Well someone just sent me a clip from a 1up fm podcast interview with Kyle Newman, director of the soon to be released Fanboys. They are talking about TPM then switch to fan edits and he mentions mine (although he calls it the ultimate edition. lol). It's pretty weird hearing someone like Kyle talk about me edit especially when i'm so excited about going to see Fanboys next year.

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adywan said:

Well someone just sent me a clip from a 1up fm podcast interview with Kyle Newman, director of the soon to be released Fanboys. They are talking about TPM then switch to fan edits and he mentions mine (although he calls it the ultimate edition. lol). It's pretty weird hearing someone like Kyle talk about me edit especially when i'm so excited about going to see Fanboys next year.

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That's awesome!  Maybe you can contact him and go to a premiere of Fanboys or something!

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Yesterday, I was thinking about a complaint I had read some time ago.  Someone was arguing against the elaborately choreographed saber duels in the PT because they were not as passive as the ones in the OT.  This reminded me of a comment about "Artistic License" I made some time ago.

I bring this up because some people need to seriously consider exactly what it is they're talking about when they make arguments like this "Saber Duel" one.  We cannot think about forms of art - especially film - in a purely logical manner.  As layman as it may sound, the fact is that, if we did, movies would be extremely boring and unoriginal.  You must have a harmony between your artistic and logical vision.  Yes, the battles in the PT could have be done similarly to those in the OT, but that would not have been artistically reflective of the world GL was trying to create for the PT; that is a world where the Jedi order is thriving and at it's highest.  The elegance of the PT duels reflects this, just as the passive battles of the OT reflect a dark oppresive world where Luke received his training from an elderly Kenobi and Yoda, and Vader has asthma.

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GoodMusician said:

yay! Going to incorporate the unused music in an audio track yay! lol

 

Agreed.  That is another great thing to look forward to.  Excellent stuff.

Good to hear that you are also planning a subtle 'lens flare' or two in this one also.  Don't know about the shape or colours you'll go for, but the style of your 'Tattooine approach' one certainly looked the part.

By the way, I reckon Kyle got it right in the first place, it IS the 'Ultimate Edition' version as far as a lot of us are concerned.  ;)

 

 

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great news ady, that's gratifing to hear a movie director (a star wars true fan) talk about revisted like this......oh by the way Star Wars Revisted is the ultimate Edition ;)

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Great to hear Adywan.....keep up the great work, we've been saying all along that you really have some skills, now it's backed up by a real movie director...that's awesome. I just wish more people would find out about this edit, so that you could someday work your magic in a Lucasfilm studio with all of their obvious resources.....then you could make the extremely insane editions!

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Thanks Ady... good to be back (though I never really left but skulked around).  Thanks for the iris suggestion as well.  Just a small note however, in case you missed the little thing I changed other than the wipes and sequence, I flipped and rotated the wampa's hand when he hits Luke. His "thumb" is now at the top of the screen instead at the bottom which makes it look as though he's hitting him with his left arm instead of a twisted backhand of his right arm.  Just a little nugget for thought but that's always bugged me since I was a kid and its nice to change it around for my own sake.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw6mHFccFgo

Monroville... like Ady said, all the spinning stuff and whatnot are his. I just changed the sequence, wipes and wampa hand. This is how it will look in my personal edit once Ady's through with his. I just don't have the technical talent he has. I've got an editor's eye but not so much a technician's brain. Ady has both.  Maybe once I'm done with school I'll know more about editing and the like.  My suggestion to you is if it is something minor like the spinning starfield, why don't you just cut and paste it into ady's edit when he's done? That's my plan anyway.  I like the spinning starfield and he's taking it out. Solution:::: put it back in.  It won't really change the hard effort he put in for color correction since it is such a quick scene in space. I'm thinking of even putting the green lasers on the AT-AT's because I like it A LOT.  I'll be reworking the Vader/Shuttle scene as to keep some but not all that in too.  If Ady fixes something that I think is done correctly or to my tastes, then it stays. If not, I'm gonna tweak that part just the way I've always wanted it.  I really don't care if I "release" my edits or not. These are for me as Ady's are for him.  This simple concept is forgotten all too often :::cough cough Kurgan cough cough::: That's just the nature of all this.  None of it belongs to us and as long as credit is given then I don't know of any fan editor that would mind that their edit is tweaked to someone else's liking.

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Rhikter said:

Yesterday, I was thinking about a complaint I had read some time ago.  Someone was arguing against the elaborately choreographed saber duels in the PT because they were not as passive as the ones in the OT.  This reminded me of a comment about "Artistic License" I made some time ago.

I bring this up because some people need to seriously consider exactly what it is they're talking about when they make arguments like this "Saber Duel" one.  We cannot think about forms of art - especially film - in a purely logical manner.  As layman as it may sound, the fact is that, if we did, movies would be extremely boring and unoriginal.  You must have a harmony between your artistic and logical vision.  Yes, the battles in the PT could have be done similarly to those in the OT, but that would not have been artistically reflective of the world GL was trying to create for the PT; that is a world where the Jedi order is thriving and at it's highest.  The elegance of the PT duels reflects this, just as the passive battles of the OT reflect a dark oppresive world where Luke received his training from an elderly Kenobi and Yoda, and Vader has asthma.

Actually, there's a very simple and logical explanation for the difference in fight styles between the trilogies.

"Real world" - on the OT, they just made it up as they went along and had a basic knowledge of fight styles but didn't worry about making it the "ultimate battle" because the focus was on who the characters were and why they were fighting, not the fight itself.

"In universe" - in the OT, the only people using sabers are two old men who haven't done it in 20 years who are way past their prime and a kid who's running more on instinct than training.  In the PT, you've got young, strong Jedis at the peak of their careers and physical fitness, so naturally they're going to be more energetic and creative in their fight styles.

 

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Thanks Ady... good to be back (though I never really left but skulked around).  Thanks for the iris suggestion as well.  Just a small note however, in case you missed the little thing I changed other than the wipes and sequence, I flipped and rotated the wampa's hand when he hits Luke. His "thumb" is now at the top of the screen instead at the bottom which makes it look as though he's hitting him with his left arm instead of a twisted backhand of his right arm.  Just a little nugget for thought but that's always bugged me since I was a kid and its nice to change it around for my own sake.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw6mHFccFgo

Monroville... like Ady said, all the spinning stuff and whatnot are his.

I didn't realize.  Just wanted to make the point that it was really cool and should be a keeper.

I just changed the sequence, wipes and wampa hand. This is how it will look in my personal edit once Ady's through with his. I just don't have the technical talent he has. I've got an editor's eye but not so much a technician's brain. Ady has both.  Maybe once I'm done with school I'll know more about editing and the like.  My suggestion to you is if it is something minor like the spinning starfield, why don't you just cut and paste it into ady's edit when he's done? That's my plan anyway.  I like the spinning starfield and he's taking it out. Solution:::: put it back in.  It won't really change the hard effort he put in for color correction since it is such a quick scene in space. I'm thinking of even putting the green lasers on the AT-AT's because I like it A LOT.  I'll be reworking the Vader/Shuttle scene as to keep some but not all that in too.  If Ady fixes something that I think is done correctly or to my tastes, then it stays. If not, I'm gonna tweak that part just the way I've always wanted it.  I really don't care if I "release" my edits or not. These are for me as Ady's are for him.  This simple concept is forgotten all too often :::cough cough Kurgan cough cough::: That's just the nature of all this.  None of it belongs to us and as long as credit is given then I don't know of any fan editor that would mind that their edit is tweaked to someone else's liking.

I perfectly understand.  In fact, I mentioned exactly that about 50 some odd posts ago.  Due to the power of technology, we can all do fan edits of fan edits essentially.  Better still, if we see something on fanedit.org that we like, we can do things like take the blu-ray version of say PEARL HARBOR, use the PEARL HARBOR: STRENGTH AND HONOR edition dvd as a reference, and then edit the blu-ray quality movie onto BD-R for viewing enjoyment!  I plan on doing the same for KILLER HORIZON, which turned a pretty meh movie into a pretty HOLY SHIITE MUSLIM! movie.

I also agree that I am in a "let's just see what Ady has planned for us".  It's good to hear you like the AT-AT green laser idea too (maybe I can start messing with my Sony Vegas and get ahold of Adobe After Effects and we can collaborate), so who knows!  As long as credit is given where credit is due and no profiting on the copyrighted material, then it should all be good.

And again, really love that Hoth opening you made.. maybe you could make a version 2 with the reverse Iris Ady talked about (and 2.35:1 the image, since its kinda squished)?

 

         

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Rhikter said:

Yesterday, I was thinking about a complaint I had read some time ago.  Someone was arguing against the elaborately choreographed saber duels in the PT because they were not as passive as the ones in the OT.  This reminded me of a comment about "Artistic License" I made some time ago.

Actually, there's a very simple and logical explanation for the difference in fight styles between the trilogies.

"Real world" - on the OT, they just made it up as they went along and had a basic knowledge of fight styles but didn't worry about making it the "ultimate battle" because the focus was on who the characters were and why they were fighting, not the fight itself.

"In universe" - in the OT, the only people using sabers are two old men who haven't done it in 20 years who are way past their prime and a kid who's running more on instinct than training.  In the PT, you've got young, strong Jedis at the peak of their careers and physical fitness, so naturally they're going to be more energetic and creative in their fight styles.

 

I kinda disagree.  In the OT series, George Lucas and company researched Aikido, Kendo and other martial arts regarding sword handling and training and you can see it especially in the Obi-Wan/ Darth Vader fight.  In the Prequels, they're just twirling their sabres around like they're in a marching band.  No perry, attack, counter-attack - just the actors looking kinda bored swinging their swords around.

You know, kinda like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GJOVPjhXMY

Ady: do you plan on making an extended EMPIRE and JEDI?  I found some interesting cut footage right here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJdV_ssgfrY&feature=related

 

         

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Ripplin said:

Agreed that ANH:R is the "ultimate edition" of the Special Edition. :)

 

Man, screw that, ANH:R is the ultimate edition of ANH. Period.

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Rhikter said:

Yesterday, I was thinking about a complaint I had read some time ago.  Someone was arguing against the elaborately choreographed saber duels in the PT because they were not as passive as the ones in the OT.  This reminded me of a comment about "Artistic License" I made some time ago.

I bring this up because some people need to seriously consider exactly what it is they're talking about when they make arguments like this "Saber Duel" one.  We cannot think about forms of art - especially film - in a purely logical manner.  As layman as it may sound, the fact is that, if we did, movies would be extremely boring and unoriginal.  You must have a harmony between your artistic and logical vision.  Yes, the battles in the PT could have be done similarly to those in the OT, but that would not have been artistically reflective of the world GL was trying to create for the PT; that is a world where the Jedi order is thriving and at it's highest.  The elegance of the PT duels reflects this, just as the passive battles of the OT reflect a dark oppresive world where Luke received his training from an elderly Kenobi and Yoda, and Vader has asthma.

 

 To come back and defend myself for it was I who expressed my feelings on the PT fights, I made sure to mention that OT fight made sense under the circumstances of Old Obi, DV and untrained Luke, I never said anything in any way to bash on the OT other than compared to PT fights they just dont match up, maybe you should consider exactly what I said before taking things out of context, I love the OT ok! off my nuts.......jesus

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I don't think I read it on this thread LordVader because I remember it being before I had made an account at OriginalTrilogy.com

Also, I was only using the "Saber Duel" argument as an example of many similar arguments that I've heard over time.  In fact, I just had a discussion with someone in PT: Revisited thread about omitting color designations from Clone Troopers to make them look more like Stormtroopers.  Needles to say I was against it for the same reasons I highlighted in my  "Artistic License" argument.

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I was also one of the ones who argued for toning-down the PT fights, mainly because they look like superfluous eye candy without any of the real emotional weight that the OT fights had.  And I stand by that.  I also highly dislike the way Jedi in general are portrayed in the PT, lightsaber duels notwithstanding.

This is, however, a debate for another thread.

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If not, I'm gonna tweak that part just the way I've always wanted it.  I really don't care if I "release" my edits or not. These are for me as Ady's are for him.  This simple concept is forgotten all too often :::cough cough Kurgan cough cough::: That's just the nature of all this.  None of it belongs to us and as long as credit is given then I don't know of any fan editor that would mind that their edit is tweaked to someone else's liking.


Nice try... if you are making it "just for you" DON'T BLOODY ADVERTISE IT AND DON'T BLOODY RELEASE IT!

Simple as that... I don't see why people think they can make their work public, and then shield it from criticism...

If we can criticize the actual films, we can darn well criticize somebody's "fan edit" of it, thank you very much! ;)

 

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"In universe" - in the OT, the only people using sabers are two old men who haven't done it in 20 years who are way past their prime and a kid who's running more on instinct than training.  In the PT, you've got young, strong Jedis at the peak of their careers and physical fitness, so naturally they're going to be more energetic and creative in their fight styles.

 

 

Trouble with that explanation is (and yes, I realize Lucas himself said basically that in 2004) that Count Dooku is older than Obi-Wan and therefore even more past his prime, and he fights in the energetic and flippy style of everyone else in the Prequels.

You can also take someone like Qui Gon Jinn, whose character is supposed to be almost as old as Obi-Wan's character in ANH, and he is hardly "way past his prime."

And let's face it, we're given no indication that the Jedi/Sith in the Prequels are used to having saber duels every week either... it appears to be something brand new, thanks to the joining of this conflict (remember, the Sith were thought extinct for the last thousand years, that's long enough ago for even Yoda not to have been around to see it). And if the Sith are in secret, training against nobody but themselves (if they train at all), how are they so good?


Episode II, III point out (and Episode III makes it crystal clear) that the Jedi are NOT operated at peak efficiency in the Prequel trilogy (despite what Lucas told us he wanted to show all those years leading up to Episode I, with "Jedi in their prime"). He gave us this "Shroud of the Dark Side" that is interfering with their powers, that Yoda finally admits to in Episode III. Now I figured this was just a plot device to explain why Palpatine can sit a few feet away from a room full of Jedi Masters and not give himself away as a Sith Lord, but the Episode III novel says that Obi-Wan was able to "clear the cobwebs" for a brief bit, as he had felt the Force cloudy and diminished ever since his youth. So I guess we haven't YET seen Jedi in their prime, in the G-canon.

Finally, we see Padawans who are plenty capable of fighting well, at least until overwhelmed by plot devices (see Lucas' son Jett's cameo in Ep III). His character was younger than Luke was in ESB (and though I hate to mention it, since it's EU, there's also little Asoka from "The Clone Wars").

 

 

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Kurgan said:

Simple as that... I don't see why people think they can make their work public, and then shield it from criticism...

 

If we can criticize the actual films, we can darn well criticize somebody's "fan edit" of it, thank you very much! ;)

GL made plenty of $$$ from the actual films so the criticism is easier to take.

Adywan's put an incredible amount of time and effort into this project. Most of us appreciate that and wouldn't want to piss him off so much that he abandons the project.

 

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"In universe" - in the OT, the only people using sabers are two old men who haven't done it in 20 years who are way past their prime and a kid who's running more on instinct than training.  In the PT, you've got young, strong Jedis at the peak of their careers and physical fitness, so naturally they're going to be more energetic and creative in their fight styles.

 

 

Trouble with that explanation is (and yes, I realize Lucas himself said basically that in 2004) that Count Dooku is older than Obi-Wan and therefore even more past his prime, and he fights in the energetic and flippy style of everyone else in the Prequels.

You can also take someone like Qui Gon Jinn, whose character is supposed to be almost as old as Obi-Wan's character in ANH, and he is hardly "way past his prime."

And let's face it, we're given no indication that the Jedi/Sith in the Prequels are used to having saber duels every week either... it appears to be something brand new, thanks to the joining of this conflict (remember, the Sith were thought extinct for the last thousand years, that's long enough ago for even Yoda not to have been around to see it). And if the Sith are in secret, training against nobody but themselves (if they train at all), how are they so good?


Episode II, III point out (and Episode III makes it crystal clear) that the Jedi are NOT operated at peak efficiency in the Prequel trilogy (despite what Lucas told us he wanted to show all those years leading up to Episode I, with "Jedi in their prime"). He gave us this "Shroud of the Dark Side" that is interfering with their powers, that Yoda finally admits to in Episode III. Now I figured this was just a plot device to explain why Palpatine can sit a few feet away from a room full of Jedi Masters and not give himself away as a Sith Lord, but the Episode III novel says that Obi-Wan was able to "clear the cobwebs" for a brief bit, as he had felt the Force cloudy and diminished ever since his youth. So I guess we haven't YET seen Jedi in their prime, in the G-canon.

Finally, we see Padawans who are plenty capable of fighting well, at least until overwhelmed by plot devices (see Lucas' son Jett's cameo in Ep III). His character was younger than Luke was in ESB (and though I hate to mention it, since it's EU, there's also little Asoka from "The Clone Wars").

 

what's this got to do with ESB?

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DarthStewie said:

Just a small note however, in case you missed the little thing I changed other than the wipes and sequence, I flipped and rotated the wampa's hand when he hits Luke. His "thumb" is now at the top of the screen instead at the bottom which makes it look as though he's hitting him with his left arm instead of a twisted backhand of his right arm.  Just a little nugget for thought but that's always bugged me since I was a kid and its nice to change it around for my own sake.

As this is something I meant to bring up when there was a fair bit of 'Wampa'/'Wampas' speculation going on previously, now's a good time, as I don't recall this being mentioned yet on this thread.  Apologies if it has.

Anyway, I have to agree that this shot always niggles me just a little too, and I always thought it should have been shown as DarthStewie has shown it.  It's like the guy holding the prop has it the wrong way round.  If Adywan prefers to keep it as is, then fine, but the 'backwards' swipe thing just seemed....a bit (unintentionally?) awkward-looking to me, although I realise a 'Wampa' probably is awkward.  It just seems a more 'powerful' swipe if it's like DarthStewie's version. 

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Originally posted by Kurgan:

"If we can criticize the actual films, we can darn well criticize somebody's "fan edit" of it, thank you very much!"

I'm about ready to use the "ignore" feature on all of Kurgan's future posts because he confuses Criticism with Harassment.

Originally posted by Kurgan:

"Trouble with that explanation is..."

"Artistic License" Kurgan!  And that's all I have left to say on the "Saber Duel" matter.  When I originally posted about that I was using it as an example to support my primary argument.  Any further discussion of it has no place in this thread.  If anyone wants to continue pursuing it - Kurgan - I suggest they make a new thread, or find an existing one, and then point it out to those of us in this thread.

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Kurgan said:
adywan said:

The spinning starfield is going to go, i'm afraid. It happens in ANH & ESB only. It was gone in ANH:R and i will be doing the same for the one time it appears for ESB:R

 

At the risk of wandering off topic, just this once.

Backstroke Of The West:R would make entertaining viewing. Just take a nice print of ROTS and get some voice actors (if they could keep a straight face) to re-dub the lines from the BOTW subtitles.

If only we could get the original actors in to do it.

 

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Bingowings said:

At the risk of wandering off topic, just this once.

Backstroke Of The West:R would make entertaining viewing. Just take a nice print of ROTS and get some voice actors (if they could keep a straight face) to re-dub the lines from the BOTW subtitles.

If only we could get the original actors in to do it.

That sounds like fun. In the meantime, someone could just use a good print and add the crazy subtitles to it, either forced or selectable. Wouldn't be much of an edit, really, but at least it could be watched with good quality and proper framing.

 

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I think we see the spinning starfield it in ANH and ESB because it is cockpit shots. We don't see it in the PT because there's no cockpit shots (as far as I remember) when the hyperspace jumps happends. Even in the OT, when the jump is filmed from outside the ships wee don't see the spinning starfield. So I don't feel it like a continuity problem.