Vaderisnothayden said:
Johnboy3434 said:
Vaderisnothayden said:
Art is subjective, but only up to a point.

Wrong. Art is subjective all the way through. Somewhere out there, someone may think Manos: The Hands of Fate is the greatest movie ever made. While just about every other individual on the planet may disagree with him, we can never actually prove him wrong.

That is a comfortable view that allows people to pretend everybody is equally right about works of art, but it just isn't true. Not everything about art is subjective. We shouldn't cling to handy untruths just because they're handy.

I agree. In this day and age I could take a canvas, drop my pants, and piss on the thing, sign my name in the bottom corner, and pass the urine stained canvass off as a true work of art. I could make up some nonsense about how it represents the soul of the working class man who contantly gets peed on by the system. Some hippies, the same kind that consider John Lennon the ultimate philosopher of all time, would sop it up and consider it really "deep" and meaningful art, but in the end it is merely a canvass that has been pissed on. If that can be a work of art, then my two year old niece is a master artist who completes several masterpieces a day in her diaper. If it is something anybody can do with minimal effort, then it is probably a stretch to call it art, even if some dufus comes along and proclaims it the greatest work of art of all time. The creation of art requires talent.