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I just noticed something when watching Return of the Jedi last night. Alright, so in the beginning, Luke sends the droids to convey his message to peaceably reason with Jabba in order to save Han Solo. He was announcing his arrival to bargain for Han. He shows good intentions. He's very polite and even gives the droids to Jabba. Obviously, the plan was to get rough if Jabba refused to return Han to them, but wasn't it a bit stupid to send Leia in there to steal Han before he even gets there? Wouldn't that destroy every single shred of credibility he was trying to build up?

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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My take on it was that they wanted to have Han un-frozen so they would have an extra person to fight incase they coudn't escape. Otherwise, couldn't Leia just 'steal' Han still frozen and transport him like he was on Bespin.
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I think they didn't realise Han was still in the carbonite when they hatched the plan.
3-PO's line of "Captain Solo, and he's still frozen in caronite" kind of gives that impression.

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I don't think Luke ever seriously expected Jabba to play ball. It was all a ploy to get Artoo inside the palace with the lightsaber in case "Plan A" with Leia failed. (Lando having already been working on the inside for an unknown period of time, was probably going to aid in the escape.) I'm still puzzling over Threepio's line about Chewbacca having never returned from Jabba's lair since Chewie and "Boushh" don't show up until later.
Marvel comics notwithstanding, it would have been a lot easier to pay Jabba off with the money Han got from the Rebels at the end of ANH.

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I just assumed that the droids haven't seen Lando or Chewie since they left the Medical Frigate at the end of ESB to go to Tatooine, so he assumed the worst(as Threepio always does).
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What if Jabba had accepted trading C3PO and R2D2 for Han Solo? Or if Leia had managed to escape with Solo without Jabba noticing, leaving the droids behind? Wouldn't that be a horrible thing to do, leaving the droids with Jabba just to get Solo back? Then, he would probably have to fight to get the droids back anyway... So, either way, he would have to resort to violence. Well, either Luke didn't have much of a plan and decided to just throw in everyone at the same time and see what happened, or he thought he would resort to brutality anyway, and thought this was the best way to do... Quite Sithiistic, if you ask me.
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Yeah, I was thinking that too, but I decided to wait and post that later since it was secondary to my real question. I know they weren't planning on just leaving the droids behind. It seemed as if force (the physical kind) was intended all along. The whole plan just seems very dishonest and self-deifying. They made themselves look good by pretending to propose a "diplomatic solution" when really they were just disgusing their plan to kill everybody and steal what they needed. Pretty screwed up...

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Well, uh... Luke COULD have made a bet with Jabba and piloted a pod racer to get Han back!
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I always figured that it went down like this as they weren't sure if Han survived the trip. Sure, Lando said he was in perfect hibernation, but there was no gaurantee that Jabba wouldn't thaw him out and kill him.

Leia's role was to thaw him out and make sure he was all right, then high-tail it out of there and send word to Luke.

When that word didn't come, plan B went into effect where Luke came to rescue them all.
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But I'm just saying that, since Luke already told Jabba that he wanted to bargain, he should have saved the tricks for after that plan didn't work rather than sneak around before Luke had a chance to bargain. And if Leia had been able to get Han out without being caught, would she have gone to the trouble to find the droids? It didn't seem like that was her next step. And if so, would Luke have come the next day and say, "Well... um, Han's gone, huh? Can I have my droids back?"

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Perhaps the Force granted him insight further enough into the future to know that Jabba wouldn't bargain at all...

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Leia trying to recue Han and failing before Luke came was very important, just think if Leia's rescue had come after Luke was already there, then you can almost be sure the plan would have worked out fine. Leia would not have been captured, and the whole sarlacc sequence would have never happened. Luke's hand would not have been shot and he wouldn't have have worn that cool black glove on his hand for the rest of the movie. And not to mention million and millions of fans would have missed out on Carrie in the gold bikini.

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Someones digging through the old threads today. Can't believe it took over three years for someone to respond to my comment, and even then all they responded with was "."

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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I didn't notice the dates until you pointed them out, C3PX. I was surprised to see "The Cassidy" posting in the thread. I hadn't encountered that user name in a long time. A long time.

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ricarleite said:Well, uh... Luke COULD have made a bet with Jabba and piloted a pod racer to get Han back!

 

 Thank god there were no podraces in the OT! lol

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Vaderisnothayden said:
ricarleite said:Well, uh... Luke COULD have made a bet with Jabba and piloted a pod racer to get Han back!

 

 Thank god there were no podraces in the OT! lol

There are no pod races in the OT...yet.

 

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Geez, I'd totally forgotten I made this thread!  And I had no idea that three years ago I made a thread that's very much similar to the "Return of the Jedi Rescue Operation=FAIL" thread that I made a few months ago.  Although I think I did much better with that thread than with this one.  ^_^

EDIT:  Ooh, and a post from TheSessler.  Haven't seen one of those in a while.  Thanks for bringing this up because now I got to check his profile and see that I've finally passed him up in posts.  If the new software had a Top 10 list, I'd finally be in it!  All bow to #10!

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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I thought there was something familiar about this thread....;-)

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Yeah, and as you can see, people were defending that lame plotline back then just like they were a couple of months ago! =P

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Hey, my defense was gold bikini Leia, would you have really wanted to miss out on gold bikini Leia? Screw sensical plotlines, we needed gold bikini Leia!

LOL, I think it is pretty funny that you made the same topic two times. I bet that ridiculous rescue plan caused you some kind of psychological trauma as a kid, all your problems in adult hood could probably very well be traced back to that one scene...

But yeah, the sequel to this thread far exceeded the original. I'll be looking forward to the third and final post of your "Jabba Palace rescue plan criticism" trilogy 3 years from now. Maybe in 20 years or so you could make a prequel trilogy of posts...

 

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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You know I can't counter Leia bikini, as my keychain, t-shirt, and life-sized cardboard cutout would prove.

But if I were to do a prequel to this thread, I suppose it would have to be The Re-inserted Jabba Scene in Star Wars=REVISIONIST BAD FX REDUNDANT PLOT LINES FAIL!!!

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.