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Post #336361

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skyjedi2005
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Abrams is Destroying Star Trek like Lucas has Destroyed Star Wars
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13-Nov-2008, 3:41 PM

Well there is a tie to the star wars prequels here.  As the new enterprise was designed by Ryan Church who was the conceptual artist on Episode II and III of the prequels.  His Production paintings were not really paintings because Unlike doug chiang and Ralph Mcquarrie they were all done on a computer.

Doug Chiang is a real visual artist Church could not come close to.  and Ralph's original works can never be topped.  Church's sketches are all digital have zero detail and are a joke.  they are more pre viz than real art.

Ralph was not able to do the prequels.  It would have been awesome to see what a sketch like his old ones would have been like of vader and Kenobi dueling over a crevasse of Lava. 

 

 

Plus the effects for the new trek are from the same ILM cgi crew who did the prequels.  and not that old school crew who did the oot with models and traditional effects.

 

If you are fine with the work they did on the prequels, the pirates of the caribbean trilogy, and transformers by bay among others you should enjoy it.  Me i like the old school stuff done by doug trumbell, John Dykstra, and the old ilm crew that took over on 2, 3, ,4, and 6.

Plus JJ met with Lucas and Spielberg for advice on this movie and not trek luminaries or even the roddenberry family.  Don't classic tos trekkies have a right to get upset that it seems abrams is more a star wars fan than a star trek fan.  Why is he not directing star wars then?

A star wars by JJ would be horrible but could not possibly be worse than the prequels or clone wars movie. 

People that saw the Star Wars, Indiana Jones, and Transformers franchises raped are worried that is exactly what Abrams is going to do.

I guarantee next year i will hear "jj abrams raped my childhood"

Not even original since i have heard it also said "Daniel Craig ruined James Bond, and Barbara Brocolli raped our childhood"

I guess we should not be too upset over the raping of Indiana Jones though because the rape could have been worse had they done what they originally wanted to do.  Have M Night Rammalama-ding-dong direct and write the movie.

 

It gets even more Hilarious when you find out a contributing writer for trekmovie.com who used to write for Cinenascape Magazine formerly known as sci fi universe magazine, Mark Altman who directed and wrote the film free enterprise is the one who originally coined in 1997 "George Lucas raped our childhood"  by saying after going to a screening of star wars a new hope special edition "that was like seeing 2 hours of your childhood being raped".

And if you use his own words on JJ you get banned from trekmovie.com

They did not like also how i brought up Orci writing the bad script for Transformers that had bumblebee peeing on a guy, and optimus prime saying "my bad".

The enterprise looks like a BMW, the bridge like an ipod store by apple, and Kirk looks like a metro and too young for the part.  Looks like trek 90210, Jeez even smallville was not the bastardization of the superman franchise this movie is gonna be for trek.  Spocklar is not as bad as others say but the kirk guy is like a unknown at least the other dude was on a show called heroes that was popular and good 2 seasons ago,lol.

 

There are some things i do like.  The chick playing Uhura Zoe Zaldana is better looking than Nichelle ever was on the original movies like star trek V, ugh,  They got Bruce Greenfield "thomas vale of nowhereman" to play pike, i say that has win written all over it.  Eric Bana as a villain is another plus, just don't like the shinzon look to the character.  Looks like a cross between shinzon and his viceroy reman. 

Things that are epic fail.  The design of the enterpise.  the bridge interior design, the uniforms except for the mini skirts,lol.  No models being used or built all fake cgi and most of the cast look like straight out of the academy years.  Kirk was not given command straight out of the academy.  The ship was not brand new, it had tours under robert april and pike before kirk ever took the center seat.  The ship should look like the precursor to that seen on the original series except modern update.  Kirk served on the farragut long before he was captain of the enterprise.   This IS JJ Verse and is not canon despite what paramount studios want to sell us.   This movie takes even more rediculous "artistic license with canon" than Shatner's Academy novel did.  And at least for that novel while a farce when compared against existing canon it was entertaining.

 

JJ will have a lot of work just to keep me in my seat and entertained, MIII was a joke, so was cloverfield.

Why in hell was he given the reigns to the franchise.  He buried another paramount property and delivered a bomb with mi3 so surely he deserved to direct this.

I mean they could have just as well had Joss Whedon do this movie instead of JJ. Both tv directors and writers and producers who have a single film under their belt.  Except Serenity was a better movie than Mi3 and of course was sci fi, with vampires thrown in. Lol seriously i expected Sarah Michelle Gellar to get a cameo as Buffy.

I mean are they trying to get Lost fans, alias fans, fringe fans in the theater.  Maybe people who liked cloverfield, Maybe fans of Felicity.lol.  That was a JJ show too.

I mean if Allias was not wrapped up an Alias movie would have been cool i would have been sold on that with Jennifer Garner as Sydney Bristow, even a Lost movie.  But Star Trek wtf?

I don't see JJ and Star Trek as being even in the same sentence.

 

What trek needs is a tv show set way in the future after nemesis and dark and gritty with lots of wars and battles and the federation crumbling.  People do not buy the hopeful outlook of the original series anymore they say.  Why not just cop out and go all dark, it worked for galactica, batman, and james bond. 

They are going to do a dark take on Superman next,lol.  I hope they do the non canon Kingdom Come storyline. Or they could do they death of superman.

Seems like in a post 911 world all our heroes have to be anti heroes and all fiction needs to be realistcally dark. They did it with the prequels despite the bad kiddy stuff thrown in there, they also did it in star wars in the njo and legacy series of books.

All heroes need to be nihilistic assholes or they are morally grey and objectionable.  I mean just ask Lucas the hero of star wars is now an emo goth, power monger douchebag.   Hayden mannakin skystalker.