Info & Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist — Page 9

Yeah... Remember how Ben and Owen used to be brothers? What? They weren't? I thought they were! What? Reading up on it sure doesn't help, either. Whatever.

Yeah, their brother/not brother connection kept flopping back and forth for years until AOTC came out and put an end to it once and for all.

I know it's a long way off, but as cool as it would be to have ROTJ:R after he's finished with ESB:R, I'm really interested to see what he does with TPM, especially as he has said that his version of the PT will be unrecognizable from what they originally were. Plus, TPM has been edited SO many times, it'll be exciting to see Ady's take on it. :)

Well, in order to restore the Sandstorm scene, it has to be made available TO restore.  All we have of it right now are still shots and a small MOV of 2 or 3 seconds of the characters walking towards the Falcon.  Nothing substantial.

TheBoost said:

Ziz said:

Well, in order to restore the Sandstorm scene, it has to be made available TO restore.  All we have of it right now are still shots and a small MOV of 2 or 3 seconds of the characters walking towards the Falcon.  Nothing substantial.

 

 Yeah, but cant we take those, link them together with CGI, steal some dialoge from the redundant scene with Han on the radio to Luke, rescore it with AcidMusic and make it work?

(optimistic sarcasm... ... unless someone could actually do that :) )

 or get some people to re-enact the scenes,

and film those..  you never know what people will try it, if motivated..

later

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I recently joined the forum and have a few comments.

1.) I agree with removing the two burps.

2.) Restore the original Jabba dance/singing scene

3.) Put Han's original line back in: "Trust me!"

4.) When Vader tells the Emperor Luke is on Endor with the revels the Emperor says it's strange he hadn't sensed him.  Yet a few lines later he tells Vader to go down and wait for Luke because he will go to him.  He knows this because he'd foreseen it.  It's always seemed like a contradiction to me.  One of these lines needs to be removed.

5.) I like the idea of Vader's line being changed to "Your mother..." because the conversation between Luke and Leia doesn't make sense now in relation to the prequels.  Leia should have no memory of her mother.

6.) I like the SE ending better than the original.

7.) I don't mind Hayden either.

8.) I like the suggestion of Luke's eyes turning Sithy (for lack of a better word) briefly as he attacks Vader.

9.) And I'm torn about the suggestion of the Falcon being destroyed.  I like it because it's not a complete victory but the problem I have is it never happened according to later books.  I do realize Adywan is ignoring the EU though.

Just my thoughts.  Take 'em or leave 'em.  :)

thunderclap said:

4.) When Vader tells the Emperor Luke is on Endor with the revels the Emperor says it's strange he hadn't sensed him.  Yet a few lines later he tells Vader to go down and wait for Luke because he will go to him.  He knows this because he'd foreseen it.  It's always seemed like a contradiction to me.  One of these lines needs to be removed.

To me, the contradiction is meant to show us that the Emporer isn't all-knowing, and that he's starting to make things up as he goes along. 

Davnes007 said:

To me, the contradiction is meant to show us that the Emporer isn't all-knowing, and that he's starting to make things up as he goes along. 

Interesting... I ever saw it that way.

Hey.  I don't post much but am a long time lurker/occasional poster.  Also I'm in my mid-30s and gre up with the original trilogy in a major way.  Here are some of my thoughts.

A long time ago, I threw out the suggestion that Boba Fett be omitted entirely from Jedi.  Not sure I was the first to voice this, but I might've been.  I definitely felt like Boba Fett was supposed to be a mysterious, high paid bounty hunter, paid by both Jabba and the Empire to find Han (& company) and I stick to my assertion that the way he found Han so easily is that he had some pre-existing knowledge of the Han/Lando relationship. 

Doesn't seem logical that he would suddenly have become part of Jabba's entourage, reduced to standing around and getting easily killed.  The guy should have been off on his next bounty, I daresay the only reason he was in Jedi at all, is because he had become popular amongst the fans. 

Now if it was possible for Adywan to create a satisfying showdown between Han and Boba Fett, I would be all for it, but given the existing footage I just don't see how, therefore I say the total removal of Fett is really the only way to go.  his death is basically pure slapstick, and only serves to lower the stakes of the Sarlaac battle, as well as reducing Fett to a bumbler, instead of a badass.

Also, I'm not sure if this has been discussed, but it has seemed like a weird continuity error to me for a long time, that the Tyderium needs a code to land on endor.  The holographic display during the General Nadine sequence shows the force field coming up from the sheild generator to surround the Death Star, clearly NOT covering the area where the Tyderium is presumed to land.  maybe this could be fixed with an updated holographic display? 

Another thing I mentioned before and I think others may have agreed, is that the shot where the sheild generator explodes depicts a ginormous explosion that would easily engulf Han and the others.  Watch the sequence:  After planting the charges, has comes running out like 50 feet away and ducks behind some reeds or something.  Then we see a monstrous explosion that looks like its decimating a 1/2 mile radius at least.  Then we cut back to Han, who doesn't have so much a a smudge on his face or a black puff in his foreground, his patch of reeds is completely untouched.  Total continuity failure.  

Killbot said:

Another thing I mentioned before and I think others may have agreed, is that the shot where the sheild generator explodes depicts a ginormous explosion that would easily engulf Han and the others.  Watch the sequence:  After planting the charges, has comes running out like 50 feet away and ducks behind some reeds or something.  Then we see a monstrous explosion that looks like its decimating a 1/2 mile radius at least.  Then we cut back to Han, who doesn't have so much a a smudge on his face or a black puff in his foreground, his patch of reeds is completely untouched.  Total continuity failure. 

I've always assumed the "back-door" bunker was some distance from the main shield generator. We see the major explosion of the shield generator, but only a small explosion at the bunker.

Okay, I guess it's time for my 2-cents:

ESB:

Ady's pretty much doing what I would like to see, but here are a few other things to consider:

(1) the addition of AT-ST and snowtroopers around the feet of the AT-ATs, ala what the Nazis did during their blitzkrieg attacks (the troops always grouped around the tanks to use them as cover)

a) when the rebel officer looks through his binocs at the AT-ATs for the first time, maybe include a line of snowtroopers around the feet before he looks up.

b) add some snowtroopers and AT-STs around the bottom of the screen firing smaller laser bolts during the profile side shot battle scenes of the AT-ATs.  (it would also mean adding some AT-STs and snowtroopers on the ground during the Snowspeeder POV shots - of course, the troopers would be mere dots but you get the idea)

c) maybe take some of the ROTJ AT-ST shots, replace the background and change the windows (the original AT-STs had a single, thin red window ala the AT-ATs; in ROTJ they have 2 propped-up windows) and have some quick shots of them shooting with the following shot showing rebels getting blown up.

d) add some AT-STs during the "routing of the rebels" scene, so you have AT-STs and AT-ATs firing on the fleeing rebel troops.

ROTJ:
keep TAPTI-NEK and the NUB-NUB song.  While NUB NUB may be goofy, that was the original and all.  Also, just delete the celebration around the world garbage.  It would take awhile for the galaxy to be free of the emperor, much less find out about it.  Keep the celebration on Endor.

Have Luke's eyes go Sith, or do something to justify Luke overpowering Vader.  Vader was shown to be too damn strong to be overpowered so easily, finished Jedi training or not.

See if you can change the AT-ST windows in ROTJ to match the single red window ala the AT-ATs.  The propped-up windows make them look cheap.

Ripplin said:

darthmunky said:

Yeah but he's alive in all the stories taking place after Return of the Jedi. It just doesnt make sence for him to die. He has a much bigger role outside of the movies, which is still important.

Yes, but as Adywan has stated many times, the "Expanded Universe" will not be a factor in his edits. Personally, I wouldn't care if he was in Jedi at all. Getting hit by a blind man with a stick, then flying through the air screaming like a girl is ridiculous.

 

Here's an idea: when Boba gets hit by the stick, rather than having him hit the side of the sail barge, lower the barge down and have him fly continuously over it (you could take the shot of him flying, clone it to keep moving while cutting out the impact part, and maybe taking a different sail barge scene to use as the background) - I would think that someone who has had this jet-pack on his back and used it as much as Boba would have a little more control over it (or eject it and use his rope gun to grab onto the barge and pull himself up).

Regardless, that way you can keep all of Boba Fett's stuff, just change the end outcome so he get's away instead of getting killed.

Another idea you could possibly use in both ESB and ROTJ: add Boba saying "Friend" after one or some of his lines, along the line of dialogue he had with Luke and Han in the SW:HS cartoon.  You know, just a little something to connect it to the fact that they have a history.  This would be easy because you could use the audio from the cartoon.

Hell, maybe you could take out the stick and replace it with a blaster.  You could edit it so that Han hits Boba with a blaster hit, Boba turns and looks back (a second or two shot), ignites his jet-pack ON HIS OWN and leaves the scene.  The SW:HS already showed that Boba was keen on escape if it looked like he could get caught or killed.  That would make his character consistent as well as de-lameify him too.

I like your ideas for Fett in Jedi, but I think it's a major case of easier said than done, y'know? Ady is a wizard, but...I dunno. It might just turn out to be the most interesting change to Jedi of all. If he even changes that scene at all, that is! Haha.

And hey, now there's a question: do you consider the Holiday Special canon, Ady? :p

My idea for Fett is have Luke defeat him. Boba should shoot at Luke and Luke should deflect it and it can hit Boba sending him into the Sarlacc.