Tiptup said:Janskeet said:I love it how our country is so against wellfare for the poor (good forbid we help anybody in need) but when it comes for welfare for the rich, hey, we're all for it!! They deserve to be put on a pedastal cause "they create jobs".
This "country" does not support welfare for the rich. Allowing them to keep money they legitimately earn is fine, but that's not welfare.
Whenever I think your ability to be stupid has been exhausted, Janskreet, you somehow manage to sink your mind even lower. For the sake of not looking like an asshole, perhaps you should stop trying to think about politics altogether. You obviously have no fucking clue what you're ever talking about and you run away, like a coward, from every intellectual challenge you receive. In my opinion that's just not working for you. :)
Oh, and weren't you the little asshole who was recently complaining about the United States controlling most of the worlds wealth, Janskreet? Only a hypocritical piece of shit would then immediately switch to complain about American companies employing foreign individuals. The best way to help the rest of the world is to give it jobs and work with it. Now, as a conservative, I am apposed to the United States giving away jobs to bad countries when the United States should get support by comparison, but if you're an idiot that thinks all countries and cultures are equal in every way, you have no fucking right to complain about the outsourcing of jobs.
Michigan is one of the worst run states in the union. Democrats have continually tried to crush the ability of people to get ahead and build wealth there. Apart from the fact that Michael Moore's movies are, in the end, complete lies, the best way to help an economy that is losing jobs is to let new businesses grow in place of the old. Traditional Democrats don't like new businesses and a growing economy, however, and prefer to keep everyone down so they can hand out welfare to those who do no work at all. That's a far bigger crime than GM trying to keep their business competive by employing foreign labor. If you can't realize such a simple fact, then you are a brainless fool that isn't worth talking to. You seemed like a nice person otherwise (in Star Wars discussions and such), but if you can't engage in even simple discussions about politics, you're hopeless.
For the sake of the United States, I hope Barack Obama tries to bring us back to the sound fiscal policies of Ronald Reagan. Under Bush we have moved away from those principles and that's the main reason why our economy is currently doing so poorly. I don't care what party is in office so long as we get back to doing the right things. I just have a fear that Barack is going to make things worse though (on the basis of what he says he wants to do).
If you people are so hell bent on telling me off on how little I know, why don’t you tell me why I shouldn’t be concerned that over 18,000 Americans die a year of preventative illnesses because they don’t have health care? Tell me why it’s okay insurance companies are getting away without paying people without preexisting conditions and other excuses, people having to file for bankruptcies when they get sick while insurance companies remain the wealthiest corporations in the world? Tell me why I shouldn’t be concerned that poverty is increasing and wages and opportunities for jobs are decreasing? Tell me why I shouldn’t be concerned that suicide, crime, homicide, and poor living conditions increased in communities where corporations outsource their jobs? Tell me why I should be happy that my tax dollars are going to an unnecessary war to line pockets of Bush’s friends that ship our jobs overseas? Tell me why my rights to speak for what I believe in should be revoked with the patriot act and Republicans labeling me and democrats ignorant, anti-American, communist, socialist and hating god for speaking of what they believe in.
Tipup, I never complained about his country controlling the worlds wealth, I complained that in one of the wealthiest countries in the world we are the only ones that don’t have universal health care. And don't tell me that it would cost too much because we could easily afford it without raising taxes. Bureaucracies have been paying themselves way too much to begin with. Bush turned a surplus into the greatest debt since the great depression. Out of all that money we have wasted with wars and corporate giveaways, we could've funded universal healthcare several times over.
I am so sick of you people telling me I how I should feel think about economics. First of all, I don't see these jobs that corporations outsource as growing foreign economies because they are paying slave labor. I doubt that corporations that outsource really grow economies in foreign countries because they pay them so low and a lot are being forced to work. I don't know if this is still true but in the late '80s GM was paying foreign employees 7 cents an hour. Second, GM used to pull the same crap on Americans until they had a rebellion in '36-'37 which formed the UAW. GM was doing just fine paying the workers the wages the UAW demanded and they were making record profits at the time, but they decided to move the factories anyways because obviously they could make way more money. That is an act of theft to their employees to pull their jobs from them when they were making the company record profits. I don’t know about you but I think working in a car factory is hard, depressing work and they deserved the wage the UAW was making GM pay them. There was no consideration for the damage that it would do to the community of Flint Michigan. I find that anti-American to maximize profits without consideration of workers in the US. Now I do understand the importance of outsourcing in some situations, but GM was the largest corporation at the time. New businesses tried to revive the economy there but it was too difficult.
Before Obama won, I seriously felt like we were on the verge of becoming a fascist nation. Voters in poorer communities were made to wait hours to vote in line. It is deliberate because they know in poorer, working class communities they usually vote democrat and by making them wait hours they increase their chances of them getting fed up or running out of time to vote. I’m surprised to see Florida turning democrat this time (take that Bush & Rush Limbaugh). The patriot act, which had nothing to do with searching for terrorism, it was all about finding out how much we know and silencing the messengers that know too much about Bush’s true agenda. Republicans were labeling Democrats as anti-American, Communists, God hating people because they care about our economy and want to have accountability for health care? I see Democrats as the true Americans. I think I’ve said this several times. I see the Republicans as people who want to force religion on people, eliminate the middle class, and brainwash them into thinking this is as good as it gets. They want the economy to be like 3rd world countries like Jamaica and want discrimination and prejudice back. That’s why they don’t care about running up massive debt. The Bush administration had had such a double standard. Borrowing money from countries that don’t like us to fight terrorism. Does borrowing money from all these countries make you feel safer knowing it will take us decades to pay it off?
I don't believe in capitalism, or at least capitalism without strong government regulation. What people have fought and struggled for here most people are handed in European countries. I wish I would've grown up in a socialist country. I think I would've done a lot better if I didn't grow up in a home where my parents got divorced because my dad was greedy for money and my mom was working two jobs, always stressed out struggling to make ends meet.