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Yea he had a problem.
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EP 1 yoda for sure. He looked like he was smokin the Chong back then
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no just kidding
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Now all Lucas had to do is make a cgi version of himself. It will be better than the original and fit his original vision. LOL!
The Cgi version of Himself will direct the movies at the same quality as he does now without him being there. He can have the cartoon cgi version of Himself yell at the computer graphic artists and tell them which scenes he wants jar jar inserted into.
To answer your question Ziz the Yoda from the 80's the Stewart Freeborn/ Frank OZ one was better than the Rob Coleman cgi one.
Puppets look more real than a computer graphic. They are not ones and zeros. You can actually see them, the puppeteers put a lot of their own humanity into them.
Yoda comes out of the genius that was Jim Henson. Henson was not available because he was doing pre production on the dark crystal so they had Frank Oz do it.
He would have been busy Finishing up the muppet movie for its 1979 release and working on the pre production of dark crystal which was released in 1982.
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skyjedi2005 said:Now all Lucas had to do is make a cgi version of himself. It will be better than the original and fit his original vision. LOL!
Hahaha. Wow, I finally have a reason for a signature and it's a quote sig too. :)
(Though, I made a slight change with the word "had" into "has," which I'm guessing would better fit your "original vision" which is a slightly ironical thing . . . but not enough to ruin the quote.)
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a puppet is only looks more real if it moves and acts correctly, in this case yoda was perfect, otherwise puppets need to be replaced with cgi technology.
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rcb said:otherwise puppets need to be replaced with cgi technology.
They don't need to be. Puppetry is an art form that goes back thousands of years. There's a theater near me that's called The Center For Puppetry Arts- should all of the performers there be fired and forced to take computer classes?
It should depend on the film. I don't think films like The Muppet Movie or The Dark Crystal would have been better served if they'd had cgi instead of puppets.
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srry, let me refrase that. most puppets should be made cgi. there are some cases when you can make exceptions. you're right, the muppet movies woul've looked weird in cgi, but puppetry is wat made them famous. and ur right it does depend on the movie. in the case of star wars though, most puppets should be cgi.
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While you did make something of a concession, I still think you're overgeneralizing. I think most of the puppetry in Star Wars was top notch. Obviously you agree that Yoda is. Jabba the Hutt was also amazing. Probably the only puppet that wasn't quite up to snuff was Sy Snoodles in Return. But while the new version was quite a bit more animated, can you honestly say that it looked any more realistic?
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Puppets in SW: none.
Puppets in ESB: Yoda, the greatest puppetry in motion picture history. Theres also the wampa in one shot and the space slug, both of which are acceptable.
Puppets in ROT: Jabba, a great performance that brought a real character to life. Yoda, continuing the jaw-dropping work of ESB. There's also the Rancor, which continues to be a pretty impressive effect (matte lines aside, which are now erased anyway), plus Salacious Crumb, which is a pretty underrated little side-character. Then there is Sy Snootles and the Blue Elephant, which look dumb.
So really, it comes down to Sy Snootles and the Blue Elephant looking dumb. But then in the SE, Sy Snootles looks equally dumb, just in a different way, and the sequence goes on much longer. So the only real exclusive is the stupid Blue Elephant, who has about ten seconds or less screentime in the few cut-aways that he's featured in.
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zombie84 said:There's also the Rancor, which continues to be a pretty impressive effect (matte lines aside, which are now erased anyway),
The last time I watched the ROTJ SE DVD (which was a while ago) I thought I noticed that the matte lines weren't fixed?
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No, they finally removed them in 2004 although not in 1997.
And I thought about mentioning the blue elephant myself, but I wasn't sure if he was a puppet or a man in a suit. Plus, like you said, he's barely in it at all anyway, so he's hardly worth mentioning.
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the blue elephant is max reebo and he was a puppet. and sy nootles looked way better in cgi then as a puppet. as a puppet, her lips were pretty attracted to that microphone.
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But dude, now instead of 3 seconds of that old crappy sy snootles we now got a full-length song that's like some terrible blues band at a wedding or a Marriott lounge, and that 90's CGI where everything looks like it's made of liquid. It wasn't a good trade.
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I just watched, Jim Henson's "The Dark Crystal" again - just imagine this piece of art with all the puppets replaced by cgi...
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Puppets being replaced by Cgi, is in fact what is being done to the sequel of the dark crystal.
Not sure if it is the same Henson Digital Artists who worked on Farscape.
Hopefully they don't take their cues from Lucas clone wars. I mean doing that would make them wooden like puppets but i thought that they chose cgi because it is more limitless and lifelike.
Hopefully they will Use Pixar as the example.
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rcb said:in the case of star wars though, most puppets should be cgi.
No way, the puppets in Star Wars, in the OT anyway, looked real. The cgi in the PT and SE looks false.
rcb said:the blue elephant is max reebo and he was a puppet. and sy nootles looked way better in cgi then as a puppet. as a puppet, her lips were pretty attracted to that microphone.
Sy Snootles looked way better as a puppet. The cgi version looked totally like a cartoon.
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im srry, but its annoying to see how plain puppets look sometimes.sy nootles is way better off as a cgi character.
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Both versions of Sy Snootles were ugly as hell. Max Rebo was cool as a puppet though.
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It is dumb we are having a debate as to which version of Sy Snootles was a better character. Sy is a pretty lame character either way. The CG Sy scene just made the scene all the worse by making it longer than it already was and making it an over the top caricature of the original scene. In its 1997/2004 incarnations, it is the kind of scene that would make one embarrassed to be a Star Wars fan. I rank it right up there with "giant flee surfing" in my top five reasons why you might want to hide the fact that you like Star Wars.
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rcb said:im srry, but its annoying to see how plain puppets look sometimes.sy nootles is way better off as a cgi character.
Sy Snootles as a cgi character was one of the stand out problems of the special edition mutilation of Star Wars. The cartoonishness of the cgi totally didn't fit the established style and mentality of Star Wars and the film. It was awful. The OT's puppets generally work fine, cgi all too often looks unreal and Star Wars cgi particularly so.
C3PX said:It is dumb we are having a debate as to which version of Sy Snootles was a better character. Sy is a pretty lame character either way. The CG Sy scene just made the scene all the worse by making it longer than it already was and making it an over the top caricature of the original scene. In its 1997/2004 incarnations, it is the kind of scene that would make one embarrassed to be a Star Wars fan. I rank it right up there with "giant flee surfing" in my top five reasons why you might want to hide the fact that you like Star Wars.
The revised scene was certainly awful.
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"Giant flee surfing"? What?
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C3PX said:.... I rank it right up there with "giant flee surfing" in my top five reasons why you might want to hide the fact that you like Star Wars.
I think there's an actual discussion topic in that sentence right there. Lol.
Oh and damn you I'd actually forgotten about that scene.
It's in Ep2 Gaffer Tape. It involves a grassy field and Anakin.... surfing. giant. flees. *projectile vomits*
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Gaffer Tape said:"Giant flee surfing"? What?
"Flea", I think. :-P
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see you auntie said:C3PX said:.... I rank it right up there with "giant flee surfing" in my top five reasons why you might want to hide the fact that you like Star Wars.
I think there's an actual discussion topic in that sentence right there. Lol.
Oh and damn you I'd actually forgotten about that scene.
It's in Ep2 Gaffer Tape. It involves a grassy field and Anakin.... surfing. giant. flees. *projectile vomits*
I've never seen that, but the thought of Ep 2's Anakin is enough to make me projectile vomit, no need for fleas.
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Okay, "flea," that helps. Are you talking about those weird creatures with the tiny heads and giant rear ends that throws Anakin off and tramples him, momentarily scaring Padme but ultimately ending in a fun little roll in the grass?
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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.