skyjedi2005 said:Well at least Heroes jumped the shark, but did not nuke the fridge,lol.
I still remember that shark jumping from happy days, lol. fonzi ayyyyy!
Do you mean the one in Happy Days or the one in Arrested Development? ;-p
I don't think Heroes has really jumped the shark. I think things are getting a bit convoluted and messy and that Peter is having a hard time figuring out who to trust since he's seen the future. I think it's getting pretty damn obvious though that Noah is going to lead the Heroes against Peter's dad (can't remember his name) and the Villains by the end of the season.
I am starting to wonder how Peter's going to get his powers back though (maybe an injection?).
I think what's really interesting at the moment is that most former good guys are turning bad and vice versa. Most notable examples being Mohinder and Sylar. But that's the whole point of this arc I guess, judging by its name.
Also ironic that Mohinder, one of the few main characters having no powers, has one now and Peter, the one with the most powers, has none now. But as has been said here, it could be that he gets it back through an injection. I'd like it better though if he didn't and died or would leave the show, now that would be unexpected.
So I don't really think that they really jumped the shark, but they are getting close to it. It feels predictable at times and what made it special in the first season was that it wasn't predictable at all.
Actually once Sylar turned out to be the third Petrelli Brother i stopped watching the show. That was too much like a George Lucas-ism thing to do, totally jumped the shark.
Having The Cheerleader go bad, and Sylar is really her uncle and all that bullshit was stupid.
Hiro's still a good guy right? This season and Season 2 sucked. Good lord i'll just watch my dvd's of season 1 again. Why Tim Kring needed to drag this show out and become a soup opera in season 2 and 3 when he could have told the storyline in 2 full seasons is beyond me. I guess money is the only reason.
The best new writer/director of sci fi tv sold out in the same way JJ Abrams and Joss Whedon have done previously. Nowadays that might as well be called pulling a Lucas or a Spielberg.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
skyjedi2005 said:Hiro's still a good guy right? This season and Season 2 sucked. Good lord i'll just watch my dvd's of season 1 again. Why Tim Kring needed to drag this show out and become a soup opera in season 2 and 3 when he could have told the storyline in 2 full seasons is beyond me. I guess money is the only reason.
The best new writer/director of sci fi tv sold out in the same way JJ Abrams and Joss Whedon have done previously. Nowadays that might as well be called pulling a Lucas or a Spielberg.
Maybe you should rent the season 2 DVDs and find out why things went the way they did. The story wasn't originally planned like this at all. When the writer's strike hit, they had to make a change. That one change changed the entire story, but it didn't involve a huge rewrite.
I've stopped watching the show and deleted my DVR pass. It's way to "out there" now.
Season one was onto something, it wasn't the greatest show in the world, but it was new and original in a completely borrowed and unoriginal sort of way. Some of the characters you could really grow fond of, and others you wished they'd just hurry up and kill off. The first season had some mystery and suspense to it. While I wasn't a huge fan, I found it entertaining and enjoyable. Season two felt like a bit of a ripoff, even less original that season one, the story was all over the place, but to give it the benefit of the doubt, blame the writers strike. Season three however has no excuse. It picks up where season two left off, but leaves many season two strings left dangling. Gets a little more original perhaps, but at the same time a whole lot more ridiculous, predictable, and down right retarded.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
skyjedi2005 said:Actually once Sylar turned out to be the third Petrelli Brother i stopped watching the show. That was too much like a George Lucas-ism thing to do, totally jumped the shark.
Sylar: Noah never told you the truth about your uncle... Claire, I am your uncle!
Having The Cheerleader go bad, and Sylar is really her uncle and all that bullshit was stupid.
Hiro's still a good guy right? This season and Season 2 sucked. Good lord i'll just watch my dvd's of season 1 again. Why Tim Kring needed to drag this show out and become a soup opera in season 2 and 3 when he could have told the storyline in 2 full seasons is beyond me. I guess money is the only reason.
Well, since it comes on a channel you can pick up just by jamming a coat hanger into the back of your TV, I guess he isn't getting too much of your money. If you still go out and buy the DVDs even after not liking it though, that is something else entirely.
The best new writer/director of sci fi tv sold out in the same way JJ Abrams and Joss Whedon have done previously. Nowadays that might as well be called pulling a Lucas or a Spielberg.
What did Joss Whedon sell out on? The only show of his I have ever watched was Firefly, but I was really impressed with his handling of that. He got delt a bad hand by Fox and lost his show, and he really fought and turned around and made a movie for the fans. A lot better than leaving it hanging forever. Though I heard after Serenity came out, that he could have got Firefly back on the air, but didn't because he felt like moving on. That sucks, I think he should have handed it over to someone else, or went ahead and continued it himself. That series still deserves a lot more than it got. Even if he decided to continue it now, and pick up right after the last episode left off, I'd be thrilled beyond belief.
And what did J.J. sell out on? I guess you are talking about Star Trek: The New Motion Picture (alternatively titled, Star Trek: 90210). J.J. tends to abandon his shows after just a few seasons, and leave them to someone else. He abandoned Alias for Lost, from which Alias suffered greatly. He abandoned Lost after just the first season, after which Lost took a dive in some aspects and got a lot better in many other aspects.
I think the two guys at the helm of Lost are very wise though, as they cared about their show enough to go to the studio and say that they wanted a definite end date to their show, so they could plan out the rest of the series and end it on a high note. So many shows, like X-Files, start out great and by the time they end nobody watched them anymore. It goes from. "Sorry, not tonight. A new episode of X-Files is on and I don't want to miss it" to "X-Files series finally? My goodness! Seriously, that show really hasn't ended yet?"
I am not so sure Kring sold out. The very nature of the show was a little ridiculous and over the top to begin with. I think he is running out of ideas more than he is selling out. I don't think Sylar should have been recycled at all. Hiro should have killed him at the end of season one, and season two should have played more on the evil man in the little girl's dreams who was supposedly worse than Sylar, and actually made him a villian worse than Sylar instead of what they did do.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
Yeah, I was hanging on, but this weeks episode "Villians" really sort of sealed the deal for me. It would take something pretty amazing to bring me back into the Heroes fold. It keeps jumping around like crazy, laxidasical storytelling at its best now. Now the blue flame guy and Claire's momma are siblings and Claire's momma caused the train accident which Claire saved that person from!!!! Elle falls for Sylar!! Getting really crazy now, starting to wonder if George Lucas is involved somehow?
Wow, that sounds like some crazy stuff! If I didn't know any better I'd think you were making this stuff up. I am pretty sure they are trying their damnedest to drive this show as far into the mud as they can. Maybe they just don't want to be doing this anymore and are looking for a cancellation to get them out of their contract. Many long running shows usually start getting good around their third season, the fact that Heroes is pretty much giving up and this point doesn't bode well for its future.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
I guess I'm seeing it in the opposite way. I'm seeing it as all the Heroes/Villains are somehow inextricably linked together. These people didn't just suddenly pop into existence the first time we saw them. Claire's mom worked for The Company, which makes perfect sense since I believe Noah knew about her during Season 1. She's never mentioned working for the company to Claire though, as far as I can remember. And we now know that Nathan's dad was involved in the accident that crippled Nathan's wife.
Most of the people have been brought together by the actions of The Company. That makes perfect sense since The Company has been hunting down and finding these people for a while.
Personally, it seems to me that they're trying to explain how everyone got into position in Season 1 and why Arthur only appeared to be dead but actually survived the poisoning. I'm looking forward to seeing if Peter gets his powers back and what happens with Sylar now. Everyone's powers are either gained through their family line (Patrelli's) or were given to them by that doctor. Who's powers are natural and who's were given to them remains to be seen (we only know of two so far).
Everything links back to the company. Every major villain, hero or event. And in a universe shrinking move even more of the major players are related to each other, Flint being Claires uncle along with Peter and Sylar...
I'm guessing Arthur now has access to Sylays power - via Peter. Wondering if this includes 'the hunger' that Plagues Sylar / gabe. We haven't seen Artie angry or upset so we don't know if Maya's ability will affect him like it did her.
It seems like he's just become far too powerful, Hopefully they'll be handling things in an interesting way, there's only a few episodes left in this volume.
The season is suppose to be twenty some episodes right? I guess when you say this volume, it refers to the bit that was suppose to be in last season? I noticed the use of volume in the opening episode of each season, and assumed they were just using a fancy comic book word for season. I guess the end of the volume will be the end of this story arc then?
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
Episode 14 i think of season 3 will kick off a fresh volume called 'Fugitives'. As far as I konw nothing played out as initially planned back in season 2. The WGA made them hastily wrap up that volume, then with time on their hands the producers planned out a new "Villains" arc. - Going by special features on S2 DVDs the storyline with Adam and the virus was intend to run another 8 or so episodes. IIRC.
Johnny Ringo said:Everything links back to the company. Every major villain, hero or event. And in a universe shrinking move even more of the major players are related to each other, Flint being Claires uncle along with Peter and Sylar...
Considering that Arthur hired the doctor who originally discovered how to give everyone their powers, this doesn't surprise me. Remember that Tracy asked another doctor if he knew her and his response was "I created you". So again, how many of them had their powers given to them and how many had them at birth? I'm inclined to believe that at least half the Patrelli family had their powers given to them.
the Petrelli - bennet - gray - gordon family? ;)
LOL, this is funny. Not surprised at all.
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?id=61856
Heroes Producers Fired
NBC's Heroes fired co-executive producers Jesse Alexander and Jeph Loeb, who had been with the show since its first season, on Nov. 2 in a surprise shakeup, Variety reported.
The two were known to have led the day-to-day production operation under the direction of creator/executive producer Tim Kring, the trade paper reported.
Heroes has struggled in the ratings in its third season. It's understood that Alexander and Loeb were let go because of the network's frustration with the creative direction of the show, the trade paper reported. The show is also said to have been grappling with hefty budget overruns this season, which are going well beyond its already sizable $4 million per-episode price tag.
Representatives for NBC and Universal Media Studios, which produces the show, declined to comment to Variety. (NBC and Universal Media are owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM.)
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
I don't really find it funny, I find it sad that thnigs have gotten so out of hand. Remember how great the show used to be?
The real problem that NBC has is that the show is no longer the killer hit it once was. They had the single most watched show on TV. Now they don't so they're acting like a bunch of children who aren't getting their way. Cry me a river. I'm sure they'll cancel it if the ratings don't improve, I just hope they give the crew that's left enough time to wrap things up.
I still love the show and I'll always have the DVDs to watch and rewatch.