Y'all better vote for Obama! — Page 3

ferris209 said:

Truly a wonderful, and terrible, moment in America. While we succeeded in placing into office a black American, and thereby proven that we have achieved a post racial world, we also placed into office a socialist. It is a shame we had to sell out the American idea to break racial barriers.

"The American idea" - IOW, what we've had for the past several years...a country run like a conglomerate corporation, only concerned about the bottom line and the paychecks of its leaders, working towards their own ends instead of the prosperity of their employees, all the while throwing those employees the scraps and spare change, then wondering why those "valuable employees" aren't doing their jobs and aren't committed to turning things around.

You like things like the Patriot Act(s) that essentially give the government free reign to spy on anyone they feel like AND THEN find a reason for it?  You want leaders who control, for all practical purposes, every major source of income - real estate, banking and oil being the most recent subjects - who when faced with the "downfall" of those operations do what...try to come to the rescue of "the people" by writing themselves a multi-billion dollar check to solve the problem they created in the first place?

People should not be afraid of their government.  Governments should be afraid of their people.

 

- V, "V for Vendetta"

True. Bush is most definitely not a conservative. I was greatly disappointed in many of the things he did (or rather, didn't do).

I like him as a person, but he's definitely responsible to a large extent for this protest vote/election that we have just witnessed.

I think the dems need to read their history of the American Political System of the past 20 years when they govern:  Don't overreach!

Clinton won in 1992 and the dems had the whole congress.  They moved way left, and the people threw them out for a republican congress in 1994.  The republicans went way right in 1995 and shut down the government, and Clinton sailed to reelection in 1996.  Bush won in 2000 and then in 2004 and had a huge majority in congress, and went way right in 2005, and after Katrina and the War, they lost the congess in 2006, and now the congress is almost exactly the way it was back in 1992 when Clinton became President.  Does anyone notice a trend here? 

Hopefully Obama and the dems govern like centrists, cause the American people don't ever like when the parties try to appease their base.  It will be interesting.....

ferris209 said:

I agree, almost everyone who even meets Bush, even if they supposedly hate him, like him as a person. I bet he'd be fun as hell to party with, I just wouldn't give him any gas money. His fiscal responsibility tells me that we'd stop every four miles in a Nissan to get gas.

 

He did wonderful things for Africa- gave them tons of money to fight AIDS etc., and I give him credit for that. I also give him credit for the fact that we haven't had another terrorist attack on our shores, but he went crazy with the spending (aside from the war expenses) and he did NOTHING to secure our southern border in the eight years he was in office.

Hmm, I find it interesting that everyone with C-3PO as their avatar are liberals.

C3PX said:

Hmm, I find it interesting that everyone with C-3PO as their avatar are liberals.

 

This from a guy whose avatar is a Cylon - a race of single-minded robots that want to control everything, that tried to destroy the free thinking people who value life, freedom and prosperity.

ferris209 said:

Another positive is that our days of hearing the constant Bush bashing is coming to an end. But perhaps not, every mistake Obama makes he'll blame on Bush I'm sure. "Well, uh, this economy thing is still bad here in 2012, but, uh, you see, Bush left it this way and I had a lot to clean up. Uh, it's still bad and I need four more years to fix it, and maybe four more after that, becasue Bush sure made a mess!"

The big loser of the night is the late night shows, as they will lose all their material.  Stewart, Colbert, Letterman, and Maher have had a field day on Bush, Palin, McCain, and the republicans for the past few years.

Now what do they do on their shows?  Obama is pres, the dems are the majority, you really can't bash the republicans anymore, cause they have zero power.  All of these guys lean liberal, and it will be interesting to see if they go after their own party the way they did the republicans.  I highly doubt it:) 

sean wookie said:

People try to pass laws based on religious morals and hurting others freedoms. I fucking need freedom from religion.

I really respect real conservatives but it just seems like they are an endangered species

I just hope better times are ahead.

Dude, where the hell do you live that religous people give you so much hassle that you feel you are not free from religion? People try to protect their own interests, and politicians try to please their bases. I don't think that is really a violation of the constitution or lack of freedom from religion. Though I agree, in some cases religious people try to outstep their boundaries, or feel like everything about the country should be religious. But obviously, religious people (no matter what religion they are) deserve freedom of speech and freedom to practice their religion.

But yeah, real conservatives do feel like an endangered species these days. I think the fact is more that the Repubican party has abandoned its conservative base, leaving them without a voice or organization. The fact that the Republican party big wigs went along with the damn 700 billion dollar bailout plan, not to mention choosing McCain as their candidate, proves they don't give a damn about the conservatives or libritarians anymore.

Contrary to what's reported, buying a gun is nothing like buying a gallon of milk.

Uhm, that's kind of a good thing, IMO.

He is very obviously a Marxist. A better approach would be for you to defend Marxism, which would be perfectly legitimate.

Explain to me exactly how, and with proof, anything he's said or done OTHER THAN THIS makes him a Marxist.

If it's about his not wanting to tax the middle class, then you're gonna have a hell of a time explaining that one. If it's about taxes in general, then we've been a Marxist nation ever since income tax came into being in America. If it's about "redistributing wealth", then I remind you that "trickle-down economics" was a way of "redistributing wealth" as well.


Sorry, but if "speading the wealth" is the best you've got, then you've got nothing.

Also your use of Palin's talking about how Alaska shares in the wealth of money that comes from the use of Alaska's resources has absolutely nothing to do any sort of socialism. How are you even pretending it does?

I'm not pretending it does. I'm pointing out how two different people saying the same thing are viewed two completely different ways. Ironic, no?

The problem is that he said was going to stick with public financing until it became apparent that he was going to get a shit ton of money from donations.  If McCain had done this, people would be all over him for it.  But when Obama did it, it's "change".

Hey, it's his choice to make, and his choice to change. Sorry, but his choice not to take federal funds is a tempest in a teapot. Let's not pretend that he's the only politician to ever change his mind. McCain has changed his stance on many issues when it suited his purposes - most egregiously on offshore drilling, which he was against right up until the point that gas prices shot through the roof, and he thought it would be the best issue to pull votes away from Obama. Up until then, he and Obama were both against offshore drilling. Ironic, no?

Anyways, it's all academic at this point. Congrats, President Obama. :)

Ziz said:

C3PX said:

Hmm, I find it interesting that everyone with C-3PO as their avatar are liberals.

 

This from a guy whose avatar is a Cylon - a race of single-minded robots that want to control everything, that tried to destroy the free thinking people who value life, freedom and prosperity.

And yours is a droid with his erect dork hanging out. I was just making the observation. Not trying to offend. It seemed like with the old forum software many of the liberals had the same C-3PO avatar. 

As for Chewy who said the late night talk shows are the biggest loosers, you must not remember the Clinton years. They got by just fine back then.

Brace yourself Ferris, the backlash to that one is going to be big.

Janskeet said:

ferris209 said:

MeBeJedi said:

If it's about "redistributing wealth", then I remind you that "trickle-down economics" was a way of "redistributing wealth" as well.


Sorry, but if "speading the wealth" is the best you've got, then you've got nothing.

 

No it is not. "trickle-down economics" runs on the premise that when rich people pay less taxes then they in turn invest the gains into other businesses or companies who thus hire people to work and giving many jobs and you products to buy. The wealth of the rich guy was invested and subsequently paid to a guy who put in a days work he took the money home to feed his family. Redistributing wealth? Yeah, but honorably and in everyone favor. That is my scenerio.

 

Obama's redistribution of wealth plan is that the rich guy has his money taken forcefully by taxes and then given to God knows who. Most likely someone who shirks work and feigns earning anything.

 

Your theory is bullshit. Bush proved the trickle down theory doesn't work. When was the last time you saw the wealthy just giving away money because they had low taxes. They want more for them and less for you, they want to make you work for as little as possible. You poeple make corporation sound like charities just dying to make jobs and give away money!

you over-exaggerated ferris209's answer. He never mentioned anyone "just giving away money because they had low taxes".