Mebejedi said:
"Soooooo......you admit people are using his middle name for nefarious purposes......but also claim that pro-Obama people are the problem? That's called putting the cart before the horse. Do you also think the Jews are responsible for the Holocaust because they keep talking about it?"
No, I said that there are idiots who are freaking out about his middle name, I can't control that anymore than you can, this cannot be reflected on all Republicans as a whole. No more than the Democratic party can control crazies who go around saying that George Bush masterminded 9-11. This isn't putting the cart before the horse, my point was in this particular discussion, you guys brought up his middle name. I think it is a non-issue, yet you guys have us pointlessly discussing it. I said I thought it was retarded to use his name against him, we seem like we are in agreement over this, yet for some fucking dumb reason we are still discussin this. Why? The people who use his middle name against him are the equivalents of right wing Michael Moores and are not worth fucking around with. This does not reflect non-Obama supporters as a whole.
And are you seriously still debating whether or not Obama's ideas are Marxist? Have you not been listening to a word the guy says? He is very obviously a Marxist. A better approach would be for you to defend Marxism, which would be perfectly legitimate. Also your use of Palin's talking about how Alaska shares in the wealth of money that comes from the use of Alaska's resources has absolutely nothing to do any sort of socialism. How are you even pretending it does?
As for why we are listening to a plumber on economics, that whole plumber thing was retarded, both McCain's campaign and the mainstream media blew that thing out of proportion and missed the whole point. The whole point was Obama's response and NOTHING more. "Joe the Plumber" and what he thinks and who he is has NEVER mattered.
Mebejedi said:
"The problem isn't whether you are a low-brow right-wing nutjob....but whether or not you believe and/or regurgitate the bullshit being slung around by obvious right-wing nutjobs. Unfortunately, it appears that you do."
See, that was exactly my point. Any criticism of Obama, regardless of how legitimate it is, is all regarded as right wing bullshit being slung around (even when it has nothing to do with the right). Not a bit of it is ever taken into consideration, even when it should be. If it could be so well refuted, then it wouldn't be simply disregarded as "right wing bullshit" that doesn't deserve refutation, and ignored. Truth has no fear of inquiry, so by the media simply responding to any questions with a "Pfft, begone right wing sheep!", regardless of who they are only stands to leaves those questions festering in peoples minds. People are smart, weight those questions out and refute them fairly, and people will dismiss them. Why isn't that happening?