Waterworld ABC Cut? A ton of info - see McFly's posts for details (Released) — Page 20

mcfly89 said:

iRantanplan said:

Where you are completely wrong however is the BTTF example though. Unforgivable ;)
The wrong cropping in BTTF 2 & 3 came because they took a fullscreen master tape (which already had the cropped wide to full composite scenes) and then cropped it. Of course the framing would be wrong then, it's cropped twice now!
When they fixed it they went back to the original negative and took the original widescreen composite scenes which were matted correctly.

Back to the Future 2 & 3 were both shot open-matte, which means the Fullscreen master isn't Pan & Scan, but rather includes more information at the top and bottom of the screen. You may be right that they cropped the fullscreen master, which in theory would work, except for the fact that open-matte fullscreen releases usually do zoom the slightest bit (and thus lose a little off the left and right, see Waterworld screens earlier in the thread), and the guy who was overseeing the crop must have had his eyes closed.

McFly I know they were shot Open Matte. However the SFX & Composite scenes were only done in WS (original 4x3 frame cropped to 1.85x1). For the first edition they took a Fullscreen master which was of course all open matte, except the SFX & Composite scenes. They were cropped because the SFX were only done in 1.85x1. This is why all scenes with SFX were framed completely wrong in the first version.

For the re-released they simply took the SFX & composite scenes from a WS master and switched them with the overcropped scenes.

It's like if I would take your Ulysses Cut and zoom it to WS. All scenes will be fine except SFX scenes, which will then be cropped top&bottom,left&right and top&bottom again.

Apparently Universal USA plans to release an extended version on November 4th. It'll be 40 minutes longer than the theatrical cut, but it's still unclear if this is the same as the ABC cut.

For now they'll only release this on DVD.

http://www.schnittberichte.com/news.php?ID=956

klokwerk said:

It sucks even more for me because I wanted to get this one and now I'll have to wait. I have no objection paying for the real thing - the covers/menus just looked pretty cool on this one and I wanted to watch it sooner rather than later.

First of all, I prefer to think we inspired this new release from Universal. Who knows? It worked for the Richard Donner Superman II cut!

Secondly, my cut is still up on the pirate bay, and we won't know until we see the official release whether this cut is still worthy of preservation. If, for example, they do a direct transfer of the TV cut, it will be lacking the profanities that I painstakingly preserved. Also, it will be widescreen, which I think is for the best, but it does set it apart from my cut which is open-matte. At the very least, you won't find all my gorgeous station logos in the official release ;)

Sincerely, I hope it's remastered, profane, and just awesome--I can't wait to see it!

boon23 said:

yep, the release is confirmed. The RS links and torrent links my website provided are hereby gone since we do not support the spreading of custom DVDs or preservations. Still it was a great thing you created there, MacFly89.

I don't understand why the links are removed.  Whos to say the official release is the same cut as mcfly's?

Also this fanedit is in full frame where the official DVD is most liekly cropped to widescreen.  Its enough to warrant  fanedit.

I can understand if a fanedit release was pretty much ripped from a commercial DVD, but in this case it is not.

Not really having a dig at ya boon, just curious to know why.

The official release will probably be so good that you won't want to watch mine. The whole point of my edit was to use inferior sources to get some attention paid to how great this could be, if officially released. Hopefully, we've achieved that--though I wouldn't throw your disks out until we see it for ourselves.

Asaki said:

DarkGryphon2048 said:

Hopefully the cover won't be shite.

 

Universal marketing research says Waterworld Extended Cut will sell like hotcakes if they plaster the cover with Jack Black.

Eh I bet the cover will be ok. Okay meaning they might not plaster it with a berjillion quotes from random reviewers. And there's also custom covers.

Hopefully it won't contain a "Digital Copy". What kind of bullshit is that?

Longtime member as Robin but have created a new account since I lost my previous forum info.

Here is the Original cover for the forthcoming Extendend cut.  Perssonally, I like it.

Here is what we know about the specifications  so far:

This two-disc set features an extended cut with over 40 minutes of additional footage and the original theatrical cut – both digitally remastered for optimum picture quality.

The Extended version (177mins) is presented in 1.85:1 Anamorphic Widescreen with English DD5.1 Surround audio and English SDH, French and Spanish subtitles.

The Theatrical Cut (136mins) is presented in 1.85:1 Anamorphic Widescreen with English, French and Spanish DD5.1 Surround audio and English SDH, French and Spanish subtitles. The disc also includes the theatrical trailer.

Im feeling really gutted for mcfly now. Yeah its spookily curious how the extended official DVD came after mcflys release. How many fans of the film would have loved announcement even before this thread got started, or even midway through it. Its almost like they are making a point of undermining our editors work now.

But what they cant reproduce is the personal passion thats put into the production of alternate and extended cuts. Or that feeling of having something so very rare sitting on your shelf that you just cant go buy anywhere, right next to your unwatched official edition of the film (or as i do mostly bung it in a multi disk case and use a costom cover for the set instead).

Still, i wont say all that all your hard work has gone to waste. The Ulysses Cut, was my first viewing of the uncut film and i relally loved it (i missed out on the reverends copy in the end - strange as i cant recall as to why now??). It would take something a bit special from the official extended DVD (the title looses the 1st battle already), to relpace my Waterworld DVDs in my collection with this. The official cover looks really good for a change yeah (but dont like the font for the title - custom covers are getting far far better than most other official covers due to the same personal passion the designers put into their work as the editors put into theirs), but, i hold edskizzorhands cover just that little bit more to my heart in this case.

I just feel like i got my extended edition already.

Urm, is that where it gets a little gray area? I own the official cut of Waterworld, and McFlys Ulysses Cut, does that now mean im required to purchace the extended edition even if i may not like something about it, just to keep my Ulysses cut now, or......urm, what?. There again i shouldnt even go there as there are some right little s*its that love the attention by trying to be a do-gooder, that jump on delemers like that.

Guess boons doing it the right way, but its a shame to see this happen.

Gromit said:

Longtime member as Robin but have created a new account since I lost my previous forum info.

Here is the Original cover for the forthcoming Extendend cut.  Perssonally, I like it.

 

 

Here is what we know about the specifications  so far:

This two-disc set features an extended cut with over 40 minutes of additional footage and the original theatrical cut – both digitally remastered for optimum picture quality.

The Extended version (177mins) is presented in 1.85:1 Anamorphic Widescreen with English DD5.1 Surround audio and English SDH, French and Spanish subtitles.

The Theatrical Cut (136mins) is presented in 1.85:1 Anamorphic Widescreen with English, French and Spanish DD5.1 Surround audio and English SDH, French and Spanish subtitles. The disc also includes the theatrical trailer.

That's from DVDTimes.co.uk ;)

Sucks it doesn't have any extra features and misuse of two discs. Could've had the first disc use seamless branching and the second disc with a shiteload of extras. I'll buy it if it's for a low price.

I bet 10 bucks that they'll put it in 1.78:1 instead of 1.85:1 on the disc. Those fools almost always crop the image to get rid of the "annoing black bars"... :(

But I hope they won't put the exact same version on the DVD as mcflys as the "ABC version" could use some tweaking pacing wise espeacially in the action sequences. mcfly said it himself actually.

iRantanplan said:

I bet 10 bucks that they'll put it in 1.78:1 instead of 1.85:1 on the disc. Those fools almost always crop the image to get rid of the "annoing black bars"... :(

But I hope they won't put the exact same version on the DVD as mcflys as the "ABC version" could use some tweaking pacing wise espeacially in the action sequences. mcfly said it himself actually.

According to DVDactive, the release is in 1.85:1.  There are also two new menu shots that seem to confirm that it's one cut per disc and the only extra is the trailer.

This release is kind of a double edged sword. If I buy this they'll probably release a Blu-Ray version a couple of months later so I'm currently not sure if I shouldn't sit out this release...

droidguy1119 said:

DVDTalk reviewed the disc and it is a low-res TV edition without profanity/brief nudity. I think mcfly's cut deserves to be preserved. This also explains why Universal opted against seamless branching, because they didn't want to/were unable to restore the extended footage.

I kind of find this hard to believe,I will buy this next week and let you know,it says that the extended cut is unrated,I find it very hard to believe they would censor those particular parts,we will all see soon I guess.

^"Unrated" means just that, the feature is not rated.  That is no guarantee of content.

A shame they bitched out on this one, but at least now I will have a logoless version of the long cut in 1:85:1, so I can do a full cut of this for myself.

By the by, I got my copy today, and that review is spot on.  Censored version of the extended cut.

Looks like I'll be splicing before long.