STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"ADYWAN - 12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW — Page 147

professa adyfan said:

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just for those who want to see an AT-AT shooting green

for some reason couldn't get it to appear in preview so posted link as well

incidently i'm pretty good with photoshop - but this colour change was a bitch
the filter that changes the red to green also changes blue to red
so where the green of the red of the laser meets the blue of the sky the feathering on the mask is crazily hard to get right
and to do the same on a moving target would certainly drive me nuts - so i think ady's decision to leave alone is a sensible one

i actually ended up wiping the lasers out and redrawing them from scratch

 

I am well impressed! the green lasers look so much better. I do hope Adywan does this as its such a nice touch of continuity regarding the Imperial laser blasts.

I've already given my lecture about serving the story and not doing something just because you can, so now I'll take a moment to tread that fine line between fan and fanboy *Shudders*:

Yes, changing the laser color may seem like a minor, insignificant change (So did Greedo shooting first), but think of the larger picture in terms of canonicity.  Laser color is a marker of what kind of technology is powering the weapon.  If you change the laser color you have, indirectly, change what technology makes up the weapons systems on the Imperial Walker which has been outlined in countless Star Wars tech manuals prior (I think).

Rhikter said:

I've already given my lecture about serving the story and not doing something just because you can, so now I'll take a moment to tread that fine line between fan and fanboy *Shudders*:

 

Yes, changing the laser color may seem like a minor, insignificant change (So did Greedo shooting first), but think of the larger picture in terms of canonicity.  Laser color is a marker of what kind of technology is powering the weapon.  If you change the laser color you have, indirectly, change what technology makes up the weapons systems on the Imperial Walker which has been outlined in countless Star Wars tech manuals prior (I think).

Sorry I spoke love!

JohnGreenArt said:

The "Imperial troops have entered the base" line could sound more urgent just be speeding it up (though making sure it's not pitched up). If it's just said faster, it will sound more like the person ran to the intercom to get off the warning.

 

That doesn't necessarily need to be sped up, but if a blaster sound or two could be added in between the line and the static...

"Imperial troops have entered the base!  Imperial troops have --"

2 blaster shots

static

I knew Mark did it at some point, but couldn't remember when.

Ripplin said:

Having watched the latest clip, what are your thoughts on the "the first transport is away" announcement, Ady? Keep it as in the clip, or change it? I know there were different versions recorded.

I'm thinking about returning it to the home video release version. I'm pretty sure that the version on the 2004 set is taken from the 70mm release. For me its too noticeably Mark Hamill doing the voice-over so i do want to change it.

As for the AT-At lasers, they won't be changing colour. Having seen professa adyfan's pic i think the green lasers look weak compared to red ones, I'm not sure what it is but they just don't look right. Plus its adding more workload for something that really doesn't need to be changed.

Well, because its still going to be a while before i can get back to work on the edit i thought i'd post a clip of something i was working on but abandoned in the early stages:

ABANDONED CLIP

adywan said:

Well, because its still going to be a while before i can get back to work on the edit i thought i'd post a clip of something i was working on but abandoned in the early stages:

ABANDONED CLIP

Nice to see that the windows can be "closed" and it not be immediately noticable.  Still can't wait to see how you manage to keep the big window "open" the whole time...

doubleofive said:

professa adyfan said:

just for those who want to see an AT-AT shooting green

for some reason couldn't get it to appear in preview so posted link as well

incidently i'm pretty good with photoshop - but this colour change was a bitch
the filter that changes the red to green also changes blue to red
so where the green of the red of the laser meets the blue of the sky the feathering on the mask is crazily hard to get right
and to do the same on a moving target would certainly drive me nuts - so i think ady's decision to leave alone is a sensible one

i actually ended up wiping the lasers out and redrawing them from scratch

Nice going!  I wanted to take pretty much that same shot and try my hand at the green, but I didn't have the time.

I really don't think the red/green lasers is that big of a deal, but it is an option since Ady is (probably) going to trace over every bolt again anyway.  But if the ships and walkers shoot green, why do all the blasters shoot the same color, especially since Clones shot a different color than Battle Droids in the PT?  Its a slippery slope, it seems, a slope that if Ady was going to start, would have started it in ANHR.

 

Again, changing the color from red to green is not THAT big of a deal for me, just a "what if.." to see what it would look like.

My take was that the hand guns can remain all red, because it could easily be explained that rebels picked off the guns from dead stormtroopers, while the BIG guns on the TIES, AT-ATs and Star Destroyers, etc are Imperial Issue only.  Thus, only the big stuff not held by human hands would need a change to green, short of the speeder bikes (which you would keep red because (1) the gun is small and (2) it needs to contrast with Luke's Imperial light saber) - all the hand-held weapons could perfectly remain all red.

And to comment on the photo, great work!  One: you can selectively pick a color in Adobe Photoshop to get around the "skewing the entire picture" issue when shifting colors, but Two: you pretty much stumbled onto what would be the quickest fix, which would be to photoshop the red lasers out and just add in the green laser bolts from scratch.  While time consuming, that wouldn't be that hard - the hard part would be adding the green afterglow on the AT-AT heads and where the green bolts would connect with other things.

Regardless, appreciate the hard work.  This is still something I would like to do on my own some day...

Rhikter said:

I've already given my lecture about serving the story and not doing something just because you can, so now I'll take a moment to tread that fine line between fan and fanboy *Shudders*:

 

Yes, changing the laser color may seem like a minor, insignificant change (So did Greedo shooting first), but think of the larger picture in terms of canonicity.  Laser color is a marker of what kind of technology is powering the weapon.  If you change the laser color you have, indirectly, change what technology makes up the weapons systems on the Imperial Walker which has been outlined in countless Star Wars tech manuals prior (I think).

Not to start some flame war or anything, but Rhikter, someone has to call you out:

adywan said:

Well, because its still going to be a while before i can get back to work on the edit i thought i'd post a clip of something i was working on but abandoned in the early stages:

ABANDONED CLIP

I click on the link and all I see is:

I prefer the special edition open window version myself...

Thanks for the new link, DB. :) Having watched it, hmm...I dunno, both are fine to me.

I feel the same way, Ripplin.

Either way would work, but one thing to keep in mind Adywan is the "clutter" factor.  While I do like seeing the open areas outside the windows, a lot of the computer effects done for the SEs have a lot of stuff going on, be it things moving around (like the Rontos and flying robots in ANH in Mos Eisley) or just having backgrounds with tons of detail that to some degree don't quite jive with the foreground sets (watch the same scene you have in the clip above and compare that to the SE version: when you see the elevator go up outside the window and freeze-frame it: the outside stuff is super busy compared to the fairly stark white hallway the characters are in).

Consider mixing it up some, by including SOME of the altered shots and keeping some of the original "hallway only" shots, or even taking some of the building structures OUT of the window views to "unclutter" the view so to speak.

Or, it could be cool to cover up those colored panels with the white panels seen everywhere else there. Way too much work for a video clip, but could be neat as a still picture. :p

Originally posted by Monroville:

"Not to start some flame war or anything, but Rhikter, someone has to call you out:"

I also don't want to start a flame war, and am a fan of civilized debate (Guess I shouldn't be posting on a forum then. Lol.)

1) The arm on the floor is a "continuity issue" not "canonicity."

2) Aspects of the film soundtrack do not exist in-universe (Save for the Cantina Band of course).  Do you really think that Vader hears the Imperial March being played offstage while stomping through the bridge of the Executor? (i.e. not an Canonicity issue.) Plus we hear it alluded to in the PT.  I think it was added to Revisited in order to connect the two trilogies, as it's kinda weird to hear it in the PT and then never again until ESB.

3) Yeah, that rant about R2's light was not worth the time I spent to post about it.  Good call.

I just finished watching the "Abandoned Clip"

Was the only difference that the SE effects were removed?  I honestly enjoyed those, because it made Cloud City feel more open and less claustrophoibic.

I liked what Monroeville had to say.  Adywan - even though I don't feel this way - if you think that the SE version is too cluttered, would you think about creating a version that removes that cluttered feeling but still makes Cloud City feel like an open environment?

PS Adywan, I'm out on a trip right now, but when I get home I'm going to be sending a donation your way.  It won't be a lot, as I am a poor college student, but I believe in what you are doing and want to help as best I can.

ffs please stop with the AT-AT laser thing! They are red, and have been red forever. There is A: ABSOLUTELY no need to change them - we never see another AT-AT fire in the whole hexology so there are no continuity issues whatever. This whole thing about the imperials being green lasered and the rebels red just doesnt wash. I've never cared! And B: it would be an enormous headache for Ady (not doubting his talent of course) and I don't want to fund somebody's Codeine addiction! :-D

ImperialFighter said:

ladyferry -  Any chance of adding that latest 'Comparision' clip from Adywan on page 145 to the 'Youtube' collection?  Thanks.

Is it the latest latest clip you want? the abandoned Bespin one?

Here is the latest comparison shot of the Hoth battle which was downloaded a couple of days ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH4OO8lofy4

I'm downloading the Bespin clip right now and will post a link for that when its done!

Heres the link for all the clips I have so far:

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=4DB0EA9A58709519

Enjoy! x.

The new abandoned Bespin clip is now up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zio3tOLfeKE

Enjoy guys!

x.

Thank you Ladyferry!!