The Clone Wars (2008 animated tv series) - a general discussion thread — Page 6

The animation quality of this show sucks.  It is pretty much on par with the Cartoon Networks other lower budget animation crap shows.  It looks wooden and their is no realism or fluidity to the animation.  The characters look like they are carved out of wood.  Wow you would think a billionaire like Lucas could afford to do an expensively animated and cool star wars show with good writing and such instead you get this waste of time.

The guy never gets that you need to hire competant writers and animators, and a couple years back he claimed they would give Pixar a run for their money and compared it to the best of adult japanese animation.  It is none of these things.  Pixar is still king and Lucas is still a lame joke after the prequels and indy 4.

John Lassiter is a genius, Hayao Miyazaki is a genius, George Lucas is a hack.

Bring back Genddy and jettison this crap series or lose lots of fans Lucas will.

Dave Filoni is too much of a Lucas worshipping fanboy, and Will not grow the balls to steer this ship in his own creative direction and tell Lucas his ideas are shit and to fuck off. Very Much in the same way Spielberg Tolerated Lucas constant interference in making indy 4 a good movie and backseat directing that goes all the way back to Return of the Jedi when he rode Marquand on the whole production to get things his way to get even with Kersh.

What retard thought it would be a good idea to have a whole series based around the "roger, roger" robots from episode 1?  WTF.  Might as well make a whole series about JAR JAR and his journey to different planets and he steps in poop on each one and the animals all fart and he says pee-yousa.

That last episode was a complete wankfest and they could not even show padme and anakin kiss because it is too much a kids show.

Avatar was the best thing to happen to animation in a long, loooong time.

DarkFather said:

Avatar was the best thing to happen to animation in a long, loooong time.

After Dragonball series of course, I'm talking japanese version, not that Funimation toned down kiddy shit, I'm talking Gohan dripping blood everywhere fighting Cell, and Goku curiously grabbing Grandpa Gohan in the nuts as he writhes in pain, man those were good times, theres too many crap cartoons that take stuff from eachother these days. They insult the intelligence of the viewer by too much.

Hmm, I'm pretty familiar with the entirety of Dragon Ball in its original form, but I don't really recall the scene where Goku grabs Grandpa Gohan's nuts as he writhes in pain (unless it happened in filler).  It was alluded to that he used Gohan's crotch as a pillow when he was young, but, uh, I don't recall any painful grabbing...

Other than that, I agree that FUNimation did every possible wrong thing when it came to any of the DB series.

Gaffer Tape said:

It was alluded to that he used Gohan's crotch as a pillow when he was young, but, uh, I don't recall any painful grabbing...

What kind of creepy pedo crap is that!

Heh, not sure how to assuage your feelings on that, although it was only used for a setup for a joke where Goku tries to use Bulma's crotch in the same way only to realize that something seems different...

It is not just Toriyama, but the Japanese in general that have a strange sense of humor that is quite out there and sickening to western readers, or viewers.

I read the manga and i understand the joke set up.  it is a pretty jevenile joke.  Goku realizes that Bulma does not have the same as him down there,lol when he sees her naked or something i'm trying to remember since it has been years since i read the manga.  He was also surprised she did not have a monkey tale like he did as he thought that was normal and everybody had one.

Then again i am not sure if these were the real jokes since i cannot read japanese and this is only based on half remembered stuff from the viz translation.

LordVader said:

DarkFather said:

Avatar was the best thing to happen to animation in a long, loooong time.

 

After Dragonball series of course, I'm talking japanese version, not that Funimation toned down kiddy shit, I'm talking Gohan dripping blood everywhere fighting Cell, and Goku curiously grabbing Grandpa Gohan in the nuts as he writhes in pain, man those were good times, theres too many crap cartoons that take stuff from eachother these days. They insult the intelligence of the viewer by too much.

Dragonball has been out for quite a long while, though. I'm talking toons from the past decade or so.

And yes, the Japanese culture has what westerners consider to be a very warped sense of humor. Although a little boy noticing a little girl has "nothing there" and finding that odd is a universal joke.

I once saw this picture of a naked boy and girl standing side-by-side (seeing them from the back) and the boy says something like: "No, I'm not letting you touch mine, since you broke yours off."

Heh, that's an awesome line!

The wonderful thing about forums, all you got to do is look bad a page or two to catch up on the entire conversation.

rcb said:

i'm too lazy to do that

 There was a comparison of Clone Wars to Japanese anime, from anime was stated Avatar was good, then stated by me Dragonball Z was quite good aswell.

Welcome back

No discussion of tonight's episode?

Those commando droids are actually kind of menacing! For a kid's show, they're not shying away from onscreen deaths.

And I think we've heard someone curse in Star Wars for the first time since 1980. ;)

More nice little OT refs. I also liked little details like the girlie pinups on the wall in the control room.

And there was a reference to Splinter of the Mind's Eye!!!

i agree...

the storyline for this one was very good too..

a lot of deaths in the beginning, and some self sacrifice near the end..

yeah, i'm sure that happens a lot in 'children's cartoons .. ha ha..

they're maintaining a pretty good standard so far..

it was a basic story, but it had a lot of nice elements in it..

let's wait for the usual criticisms coming up in .....4...3..2....1..

later

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skyjedi2005 said:

Guess i will just pretend this does not exist and sit back and watch the oot.  Kind of like what i mostly do with that phantom plot movie and its sequels.

PLEASE!  Just do the rest of us a favor and do it QUIETLY.  You don't need to come on here every 10 minutes and re-prove how much you hate any SW that came about after 1983.

Ziz i like plenty of Star Wars after 1983.  A lot of it EU where authors tried to Remain true to the original trilogy.  The star wars i dislike are all George Lucas.  I like the Zahn Trilogy, the Bantam Books era, a lot of the NJO.  I felt del rey failed star wars with the legacy series they went in a different direction from what i would have.  I like Knights of the Old Republic, shadows of the empire. 

As much as the prequels rubbed me the wrong way I did not hate them as a whole, they were just executed poorly as evidanced by how much better the novelizations and ancillary books are. 

In fact the first time i have literally found myself completely hating star wars was in the 2004 cuts of empire strikes back and return of the jedi and the new clone wars movie and series.  Where did Lucas go wrong?

The spirit of the oot is tarnished by these new products Like the Special Editions, the Prequels, and the clone wars 2008.  I have already mentioned i Like the Genddy series.  I have also stated Revenge of the Sith was the best of the prequels but still failed miserably because Lucas could not Make Anakin's turn believable and botched it. 

The Zahn Trilogy was true to the spririt of the original films and brought the story forward for the Characters we cared about from the first trilogy.  You know the Luke Skywalker adventures and Stories Lucas abandoned to make the Prequels.

They are doing really cool things with the Kotor and Legacy comics.  Also the James Luceno Novel Dark Lord was very well written.  I also liked The Drew Karshyn Novels based in the old republic and about Darth Bane.

Plenty of artists and writers still get the tone and feel of star wars.  Lucas is the only one who has changed and not for the better.

A director who was out of Practice for Sixteen Long Years.  Anyone leaves their craft for that long is going to get rusty and make shit.  You cannot be a recluse and out of touch with the average american filmgoer for over twenty years and still expect to Resonate with audiences.  Their is a general Disconnect since Lucas is now lord of his Empire and no Longer the Luke Skywalker Figure Battling to take down the empire of hollywood, he is a businessman first and forgot that Movies should be fun and the storytelling should come before the cgi.

The Lucas form that Documentary From Star Wars to Jedi would have been appaled with his modern self, for overuse of cgi and Special Effects before story.  He is not the same revolutionary Maverick filmaker who in the Seventies and Eighties knocked hollywood on its ass by making films outside hollywood and on his own terms. The Lucas and Speilberg's at the height of their powers Could kick the ass of these new hollywood upstarts.  Only now they are a part of the problem with the cgi and lack of a good script and generally Lazy and Uninspired directing.

The prequels and Indy 4 had some of the most cringe worthy and worst Dialogue i have ever heard in a movie, The scripts were just a joke. 

I would not hurt Lucas to take some writing classes or hire some writers who don't make a parody and a mockery of one of the most loved sci fi epics of all time.

The Prequels were Star Wars in name only.   The magic was gone and the films felt utterly forgettable, did not resonate with Mythic themes.  Sure there is Jedi, Lightsabers, spaceships.  But without all these things they would just be some terribly expensive mediocre sci fi movies.  Something was not quite right, the films felt tonally different

No Heroes Journey to anchor the movies.

The only thing they got right with the prequels was Artoo Detoo and See Threepio.  They felt like the same characters from the other films.

SilverWook said:

No discussion of tonight's episode?

Those commando droids are actually kind of menacing! For a kid's show, they're not shying away from onscreen deaths.

And I think we've heard someone curse in Star Wars for the first time since 1980. ;)

1980?  I think your signature betrays you SilverWook.  We heard someone curse in Star Wars in 1977.  "Some damned fool idealistic crusade" - Obi-Wan Kenobi.

Well, actually, you're both wrong.  The last time we heard swearing in Star Wars was in 2002:

"Cloners.  Damn good ones too."

lordjedi said:

SilverWook said:

And I think we've heard someone curse in Star Wars for the first time since 1980. ;)

1980?  I think your signature betrays you SilverWook.  We heard someone curse in Star Wars in 1977.  "Some damned fool idealistic crusade" - Obi-Wan Kenobi.

Silverwook was saying we heard someone curse in Star Wars for the first time since 1980, when Han said "I'll see you in hell" I presume. Of course Gaffer is right, the weird bugish like creature in the weird out of place extremely American looking old fasioned diner swore in Star Wars for the first time since 1980.

Last i checked on Rottentomatoes the Clone Wars movie had a pitiful 19% that is actually Lower than George W Bush approval rating,lol.

Wow that movie sucked.

The funny thing is indiana jones 4 is still hovering just under 70% i just don't get those critics man Indy 4 was worse than Clone Wars because it would be like Lucas making an episode 7 with Mark, Harrison and Carrie and the Movie just fucking goes and ruins the old trilogy.

At least with star wars i could care less since he is ruining the prequels which i don't like anyways.

skyjedi2005 said:

Last i checked on Rottentomatoes the Clone Wars movie had a pitiful 19% that is actually Lower than George W Bush approval rating,lol.

Wow that movie sucked.

The funny thing is indiana jones 4 is still hovering just under 70% i just don't get those critics man Indy 4 was worse than Clone Wars because it would be like Lucas making an episode 7 with Mark, Harrison and Carrie and the Movie just ***** goes and ruins the old trilogy.

At least with star wars i could care less since he is ruining the prequels which i don't like anyways.

 and this is here why?

this thread is not about the movie, why don't you put this comment over there..

neither is it about lucas, spielberg or indiana jones..

do you need help in finding those threads? i can post the links if you're still having

problems..

this thread is about THE CLONE WARS TV SHOW... why don't you actually watch

the last episode and talk about that for once..

later

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I thought i already reviewed the Fifth Epsiode and said it sucked.  The animation is still wooden, The characters faces have zero emotion.  You know like in traditional animation where the chracters move fluidly and there eyes and mouths move and don't look like puppets carved out of wood.

The show is still about the "roger roger" robots which i said some retard had to have thought that would make a good series based on those annoying Robots from episode 1.  Might as well base a whole show on Jar Jar's adventures but i don't want to give Lucas any ideas.

A show with the Jedi, realisticly fluid animation Like live action and a good script could have made this show awesome instead we get cgi more cruddy and inept than episodes 1-3 combined.

I don't want thunderbirds in star wars what a horrible idea that was.

I mean this show is like watching someone else playing that battlefront II game only the cgi is worse and more wooden.

I want a Live action tv show that is like a subseries of the movies or a spin off cartoon, and what i got was a videogame cutscene made for third graders.