DEBATE ROUND TWO!

Well it's time for McCain Obama ROUND 2! I think we've all been let down by McCain's performance in the polls this week, and it sure seems like he's going to have to take drastic measures tonight.  Here's what I hoping to see, or at least something close.

McCain should open with multiple Bill Ayers references.  Once he gets Obama a little flustered, he should just throw the Michelle Obama whitey tape out there.  Not that he should attest to it's authenticity, just put it on the table.  Once things calm down he should start in with the lapel pin stuff, and transition from that directly into the National Anthem hand over heart stuff.  Finally McCain is going to need to find a way to describe Obama as Muslim without out actually coming out and accusing him.  Maybe he should tell a story about Obama's Muslim father where he talks about Obama living overseas and accidentally refers to Obama as Osama.  Ooops!  Anyway lets home McCain does some of this stuff.

Obama is going to beat him again I know it!

JediMasterFisher said:

Obama is going to beat him again I know it!

 What debate were you watching?

So was the debate as painful for McCain as people say? I heard he kept trying to use the random attack approach that his stupid advisors had clearly prepped him to use in the first debate. I didn't watch it because I already know that McCain can't be counted on to be someone I can support on the basis of the issues he's currently chosen to discuss. He also killed my motivation to support him after supporting the bailout plan.

Why attack Obama about the financial mess if you can't offer a clear explanation for what caused it and how to solve it? McCain is a fool. Divine intervention is all that will be able win the race for him at this point. Time for classical liberals, libertarians, and conservatives to buckle up for an Obama presidency.

Jay said:

Some of his policies may be different and he may have a better grasp of foreign affairs, but he gives off that same vibe of the agitated, impatient old man we don't want dealing with sensitive and complex issues.

That "impatient old man" has been dealing with sensitive and complex issues since Obama was in high school.  That "impatient old man" has a "been there, tried that" air about him that Obama can't compete with.  McCain has "been there, done that" on so many things that I find it hard to believe people are willing to give the reigns over to someone with little to no experience.  Of course, it seems to only be the younger people (30 and under) that think Obama would do a good job.  The 40 and older crowd have reservations about both.  Personally, I plan to vote for the guy who's going to expand government the least.  In this case, I'm pretty sure that's McCain.

Jay said:

Obama has surrounded himself with genuinely smart people, his message has stayed mostly positive, and he'll carry that intelligence and positivity with him to the White House.

Yes, Obama surrounds himself with smart people like Warren Buffet, a guy who got rich selling insurance to people so they could avoid paying the criminally high death tax and by purchasing bussinesses from families trying to avoid the pain of that same tax, who then turned right around and said we need to keep the death tax high. He also recently invested a ton of money in the stock market and stands to see an increase on his investment now that the 700 billion dollar bailout of Bush, McCain, and Obama has been passed.

Oh and let's not forget the other "genuinely smart people" like the corrupt CEOs who got "golden parachutes" after ruining their companies, the unrepentant terrorists, and racist preachers. :)


Ahh, yes, and Obama has a mostly positive message too! We have the hope of higher taxes! We have the hope of more government regulation! We have the hope of punishing productivity and rewarding negative investments! We have the hope of giving out more corporate welfare to Obama's rich friends! It will be wonderful! I can't wait! :)

Oh well, soon this bullshit will cause our economy to fall apart. The recent "bailout" solution will only make the problem worse when the shit finally hits the fan. At this point it will be better to have a person who actually supports the socialism that will destroy our country in office when it happens (as apposed to people who claim to support free market economics but then turn right around and enact the programs, regulations, and monetary policies of the socialists he or she claims to appose).

Tiptup said:

Jay said:

Obama has surrounded himself with genuinely smart people, his message has stayed mostly positive, and he'll carry that intelligence and positivity with him to the White House.

Yes, Obama surrounds himself with smart people like Warren Buffet, a guy who got rich selling insurance to people so they could avoid paying the criminally high death tax and by purchasing bussinesses from families trying to avoid the pain of that same tax, who then turned right around and said we need to keep the death tax high. He also recently invested a ton of money in the stock market and stands to see an increase on his investment now that the 700 billion dollar bailout of Bush, McCain, and Obama has been passed.

Oh and let's not forget the other "genuinely smart people" like the corrupt CEOs who got "golden parachutes" after ruining their companies, the unrepentant terrorists, and racist preachers. :)


Ahh, yes, and Obama has a mostly positive message too! We have the hope of higher taxes! We have the hope of more government regulation! We have the hope of punishing productivity and rewarding negative investments! We have the hope of giving out more corporate welfare to Obama's rich friends! It will be wonderful! I can't wait! :)

Oh well, soon this bullshit will cause our economy to fall apart. The recent "bailout" solution will only make the problem worse when the shit finally hits the fan. At this point it will be better to have a person who actually supports the socialism that will destroy our country in office when it happens (as apposed to people who claim to support free market economics but then turn right around and enact the programs, regulations, and monetary policies of the socialists he or she claims to appose).

 Ditto

thebigguy said:

 Ditto

Very funny, Rob. :)

Jay said:

McCain has surrounded himself with lobbyists and all sorts of corrupt Washington scum, and the negative turn in his campaigning reflects that. Obama has surrounded himself with genuinely smart people, his message has stayed mostly positive, and he'll carry that intelligence and positivity with him to the White House.

McCain's campaign has turned negative because he's attempting to do what the media won't: really vet Obama and all his ties and relationships.  Anyone else would've been knocked out of the primaries a long time ago if they had the same ties.  The media has chosen to mostly ignore his relationships and politics in order to further spread this false message of hope.  Obama has only been in the Senate for two years and yet he's the third highest recipient of campaign contributions from Fannie Mae.  The next highest is John Kerry he's been in the Senate for far longer.  Even Hillary hasn't taken as much money as Obama.

Some of Obama's ties were forced out into the open and he was forced to cut them (Jeremiah Wright anyone?).  He's been doing his best to keep his other ties swept under the rug, calling anyone that attempts to bring them up a "distraction" and not "focusing on the issues".  The decisions you will make as a person are directly related to who/what influenced you as you were growing up and getting ahead in your life and career.  To say this his relationships were all peripheral and mean nothing is to ignore everything he plans to do.  But I guess ignorance is bliss.  That is until it smacks you right in the face.

EDIT: Anyone that thinks Obama's going to end the war in Iraq as soon as he takes office had better pay attention to what he said during the debate.  Don't forget that he ran on a platform of withdrawing the troops and ending the war the day he takes office.

"Obama: I'll be very brief. We are going to have to make the Iraqi government start taking more responsibility, withdraw our troops in a responsible way over time, because we're going to have to put some additional troops in Afghanistan."

Hmm, that sounds a lot like what Bush and McCain plan to do.  A phased withdrawal taking into account conditions on the ground.  So much for ending the war.

Jay said:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/07/fact-check-did-obama-get-second-most-money-from-freddie-and-fannie/

That article is simplistic and the quote from the New York Times makes no sense at all with what it says at the beginning. Here's the actual data on who got money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac:

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/09/update-fannie-mae-and-freddie.html

The Center for Responsive Politics is a non-partisan group and I'd trust anything they say over the New York Times (which is out to sell papers and not to tell the truth). This information was updated on September 2nd of this year so I don't where the hell the numbers of McCain getting "$169,000" and Obama getting only "$16,000" comes from (sounds made up to me). Also, I'm surprised that the person who wrote that article doesn't don't know what a PAC is; while companies can't donate money directly, their employees are still able to donate in big groups.

The truth is, Obama directly supported what Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac was doing. His campaign even trusted the corrupt, ex-CEO of Fannie Mae (Franklin Raines) enough to ask him for advice about the housing market despite the fact that the guy knows nothing about the housing market and lied to steal money from his company. It's just a fact! Obama is an idiot.

That's not to say McCain isn't an idiot in his own ways either, but for people to go around blabbing about McCain having a "cemetery of skeletons, blah blah blah" is absurd. McCain has actually had a strong record of resisting influence and apposing earmarks. While he's definitely an incredibly stupid, hot-headed jerk, making him out to be some corrupt guy that owes a lot of bad people favors is just laughable. Considering how Obama, by comparison, has only been around for two years, he's been involved in far more corruption in the form of favors, bad people, and, worst of all, support for stupidly foolish policies.


Bah, generally it seems like people just disappoint me every time. I don't know why I keep expecting better. People just don't care about the truth as I continually hope they would. I don't care who wins some worthless race. I care about people and ethics. The fact that John McCain and Obama are our choices is pathetic and the fact that people seem to worship either candidate is more pathetic. Elections have been reduced to fucking sports games. (Yayz, kick der football!) People just pick their stupid little teams and stop caring about anything real. Grow up.

Facts my ass Jay.  The link you posted is also on opensecrets.  Unfortunately, no one can find any actual evidence to support the New York Times list.

The facts remain that Obama, in two years in the Senate, has taken more than 5x as much in campaign contributions from Fannie Mae than McCain has in 26 years.  The fact is that many Democrats have been supporting what Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were doing for the past 8 years, even in the face of reports that revealed it all.  They've kept anyone from putting any regulations in place that would've prevented the disaster we're seeing now.

But I guess it's just easier to believe that Obama is going to save us all from ourselves.  Thanks but no thanks.  I already have a saviour.  I don't need some politician in Washington trying to act like he's the second coming.

McCain is hilarious.

McCain is a funny man. Obama has also been known to make my side hurt at times (Obama: "My Muslim faith--" Interviewer: "You mean your Christian faith". Obama: "Right, yeah, my Christian faith" that one had me in stitches, good stuff). They'd make a really kick ass comedy duo, I think they should both give up on politics and go to broadway. It is ashame to see good talent lost. Palin could join them, all she has to do is talk and that accent will bust anyone up.

Both McCain and Palin have very distinct voices, both of which annoy me greatly. Maybe that is the real reason McCain choose Palin, so that he would have someone with a slightly more annoying voice than himself.

Damn, why can't politics really be about vaginas, skin pigments, and accents? The world would be so much less complicated... I think...

Puff Daddy got mad over the "that one" comment mcain made, i laughed out loud.

Not they are saying the dude is a racist.  Now all we need is Kanye West "John Mcain don't like black people".

Celebrities are idiots. Anyone who listens to a single word they have to say about politics are retarded. I listened to a few of puffy's youtube videos, definitely not the brightest match in the book.

Jay said:

lordjedi said:

I already have a saviour.

Maybe he should run for office.

He probably wouldn't get past the primaries though with his checkered past.

 He wouldn't stand a chance, he's Jewish.

Jay said:

Just keep reading the link I posted and eventually it'll sink in.

Hint: McCain's Freddie/Fannie money primarily came from lobbyists. Is that somehow better than Obama's private contributions by company employees?

Your link is not about lobbyists but campaign contributions and therefore its numbers make no sense. Maybe the New York Times was getting Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac confused with some other company?