lordjedi said:
Change for the sake of change is stupid. That's why I think "Progressives" are just lame. Unless there's a good reason to change something, why do it? When people say "Everyone hates change" I always say "That's not true. People hate change for the sake of change because that's a lame reason to change things".

Most of the changes to the OT have been change for the sake of change, not change because they were broken. Greedo, Jabba meeting Han, Hayden at the end of Jedi, etc, etc.

Conservation for the sake of conservation is also stupid though. By nature the universe is filled with good things, so always erring on the side of conservation is wise to make sure we're not destroying anything by acting too hastily, but there's nothing inherent in conservation which makes that so. In fact, too often people will fight to conserve evil things in my mind. If it weren't for the fact that evil generally doesn't work (according to trial by error and paths of least resistance), humanity would be a lot more fucked up than it is now. When all is said and done, it's my philosophy that people are designed to constantly and always seek new and better things, but that it's just a very difficult thing to do correctly.

C3PX said:
Tiptup said:
in the real world, when socialists are faced with facts and ethical logic, they tend to run away and be silent. However, the internet allows them to have weird little worlds where they can hang out and be safe with their crazy socialist ideas and never face challenges. On an even-handed site like this, the general fact that "conservatives" take issues more seriously and are willing to argue them more will influence socialists to hide their beliefs by comparison. That's why it seems overrepresented to Janskeet or Asteroid Man.

Too true my friend, too true.

Another aspect is the way people will be offended and insulted by merely having their personal beliefs challenged. They'll throw around real insults in response and accuse whole groups of people of horrible actions and motivations on the basis of simple disagreement. Now again I'm really generalizing here, but I find that socialists tend to do this more often as well. As such, I think it's another sad reason why they tend to avoid discussing reality.