asterisk8 said:new guy here. I really enjoyed ANH:Revisited, which I've watched 3 times in the last week. I want to contribute in some way. I have an idea I'm still fleshing out. Hold for procrastination until such date as I can catch up with myself.
Anyway, I'm still working my way through all 122 pages of this mammoth thread, so apologies for repeating what may have already been dealt with, but I wanted to mention something I just noticed.
The few exterior shots of the Echo Base hangar door in the beginning could use a little fog obscuring the view into the hanger, and maybe some billowing out. Nothing major or obvious. Subtle. It's warmer inside the hanger, right? The interior shot of Han trotting in on his tauntaun has that misty quality of a warmer interior space that's open to the colder exterior. But the exterior shot immediately before it lacks realism because it lacks the high-to-low pressure movement of that water vapor. Even obscured behind adywan's excellent personnel restructuring, that extra bit of environmental effect would really help to sell this shot.
And thanks, adywan! Thanks for putting in all the hard work for those of us without the talent! Instead we can just sit around and catalogue our every whim for you to realize!
(Edit: I realize this would be harder in, for example, the shot of Threepio and R2 waiting for Luke. Or am I wrong in thinking the hanger is warmer than the outside? Or am I wrong in thinking that would create vapor billowing out of the hangar door? Maybe the temp. difference is not large enough.)
asterisk8 said:
adywan,
A couple issues regarding the Cloud City processing vane. You say, " As for the vane it is a bit of a design flaw. I think that Luke was supposed to have reached there through the long tunnel but they put the support pole in the wrong position on the matte which caused confusion."
I knew I'd seen a cutaway in a book somewhere, so I did some looking around and found this:
You can see that the long tunnel is actually a tram-tunnel probably intended to carry cargo back and forth from the city to the processing plant in the vane. The carbonite chamber is at the very top, and it seems to me that the lighted tube Luke walks through is all within the upper part of that vane, and not in the support arm. That should save you some trouble repainting the matte.
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Also, when Luke exits the tunnel, a large gate closes behind him, but when we see the same tunnel entrance from a different angle a few seconds later, the gate is open.
asterix8, some nice ideas here.
I had a look at the entrance shots to the hangar on Hoth and, if you look at the inside shots where you see the entrance (the one where Han returns on the Taun Taun and the other when the speeders return after finding Han & Luke) there seems to be quite a bit of vapour in the hangar. this could mean that the cold air is meeting the warm air inside the hangar therefore you probably wouldn't see any emerging outside of the hangar because the tempratuter is already close to the same by the doors as it is outside.
Now to Cloud city. one thing that always bugged me when i saw the cross-sections is where the carbon chamber is supposed to be. Now if you look quickly at the shot where Luke is about to enter the tunnel after knocking Vader off the ledge you can see he has just climbed down a ladder, so i guess that is where the carbon chamber is supposed to eb. The problem is that in the matte painting of the vane the dome at the top is just too small to house the chamber. that needs to be larger, so i'm going to do something about that
As for the gate being open, i never spotted that. thanks
That cloud city corridor was one of the worse FX additions done in the whole SE trilogy. Not only were the shadows transparent but the rotoscoping done on the character was really below par too. Thats one shot that really needs fixing
Darth Lars said:Ziz said:Tons O' Fun said:I can remember at the very end of Empire when all the Rebel ships are at the nebula at the end just before the credits, I can remember seeing them all jump to light speed just before the credits rolled.
We already covered that earlier in this thread. It never happened, it was just some people's imaginations feeding off of each other.
You are wrong.
The movie ended with a concentric wipe. The setting in space is replaced with the black background of the end credits.
The wipe gives the effect that the ships went to lightspeed - if you don't look close enough.
So, those who remember it, do remember it correctly, they just perceived it wrong to start with.Yes, this was covered before, and I did write the same explanation back then, but I see that several people did not get it. The wipe was (also) in the OOT. You can verify that for yourselves!
I would very much like the wipe to be restored in this edit.
The wipe may be very slightly different but it has never given the effect that the ships shoot off into hyperspace. people are remembering things the same way as they do about seeing luke missing with the grappling hook or seeing the Luke/biggs tatooine footage in the movie when it was in theatres.
Well work officially restarts on ESB:R tomorrow as my EPIV AVCHD is now done. I'm going to finish the last section of the colour correction then jump right into the FX work.