negative1 said:Lucasfilm lost the second any version of star wars SE/and the prequels showed up
on HD, i don't know what came first, the german versions, wookiegroomer, etc...
but as soon as those were free..... the game was over ..... maybe that's why people
don't think that the war is already over, before it has even started?
They've only lost to people like us. Talk to Joe Schmoe on the street. They have no idea how to download anything outside of using some lame p2p program like Kazaa. And then they'll complain about how every time they download a copy, it's not what it said it was (big surprise) and now their machine is infected with viruses and trojans.
everyone i know is technically capable of doing it ... also if average people are getting busted
constantly for sharing/downloading music, why would it be hard? someone mentioned that
movie studios don't crack down on stuff as much, only on the cammers, and distributors,
and physical pirates.....
And anecdotal evidence is just that, anecdotal. I know plenty of people that are not capable of doing this, at least not without being shown. And I'd bet that after showing them, 90% would say "Forget it, I'll just wait until they release a Blu-ray version. I'm sure they'll do it eventually".
Besides all that, most of us actually own the DVDs of any fan edits we download. It's so nice that you don't actually buy any of your DVDs. Way to go there Mr. Pirate.
well, i have bought enough laserdiscs, and dvd's to last me a lifetime, and i don't really
feel like spending more money unless its a HD version....i stated that earlier. unless a
movie is in HD, i don't see the point of wasting money on a DVD...
How does this excuse outright piracy? "Oh, I've given them plenty of money over my lifetime, they don't need anymore". That is not an excuse to pirate a movie.
The SE? Probably very few people here. The OOT? I'll be the first one in line. I would rather have a completely remastered OOT in HD direct from LFL than a fan edit. That's one of the points of this site. Not only are we suppose to own the original of any movies we get, but we're also suppose to get rid of any fan edits we have once an official version comes out. Or do you think everyone still has their fan edit copies of the various versions of Blade Runner now that an excellent boxed set has been released?
i LOVE all the fanedits from here, and from fanedit.org ..... i think they're great from a fans
viewpoint, on seeing different versions of a movie, or seeing a cool preservation from a
dead format (laserdisc, ced, 16mm, etc) .... why would i get rid of a fanedit that someone
made, just because the official dvd came out? they're different to me......
So feel free to keep them both. The point is that even when fan edits are released, it's expected that people either own the original or buy the official release when it comes out. If they don't, they are pirating. Both OT.com and fanedit.org know this.
And at some point, it's comments like these that are going to get this site shut down. Seriously dude. You're sitting here telling people that LFL shouldn't bother releasing any HD versions of Star Wars because we've got all we need. You're telling LFL not to waste their time because we won't buy it anyway. You're telling LFL that we have no need for them any longer.
please dont be so dramatic, do you think i'm the first person to ever say these words?
I think you're the first person to suggest that LFL not bother releasing Star Wars on Blu-ray
let me go back through the threads to see what everyone thought about the HD versions
when they first came out? oh, theres not a whole lot there is there
All the comments are about how great the quality is. I don't ever remember seeing someone suggest that LFL not release an official version. Everyone always says "This'll be great to have until LFL releases an official copy".
bucket ... and by the way, i'm not telling LFL anything ....
You did:
Lucasfilm lost the second any version of star wars SE/and the prequels showed up
on HD, i don't know what came first, the german versions, wookiegroomer, etc...
but as soon as those were free..... the game was over ..... maybe that's why people
don't think that the war is already over, before it has even started?
who's going to buy Star Wars SE on blu-ray, when there are at least 5 or 6 versions
already out there, available completely for for free, i think i have them all, 720p
versions, 1080p versions, mkv format, wmv format, .TS format etc, etc.
there is no point in releasing Star Wars SE on bluray
And...
once again, why should they bother ? we've got yet another HD version of star wars
ready to be released shortly with color correction and fixes .............. and i'm sure its
just a matter of time, before more people work on de-SE ing these HD versions, just
like the plethora of fanedits that exist already for the OT now, there will be just as
many edits of the HD versions, and we will never need to go back to Lucasfilm ..
So how is that not telling LFL it would be pointless to release Star Wars on Blu-ray? That would be the equivalent of telling people to not bother with Iron Man on Blu-ray since it'll be broadcast in HD in the future. They could just capture that and author their own. If everyone that planned to buy the Blu-ray release did that instead, Marvel would be pretty unhappy.
all i've seen is speculation about a bluray version of star wars, is there actually
any hard evidence, or release dates for it? so if it isn't being worked on, then does
it really exist? not to me..
I didn't say it did. But we don't wait for a release date to stop talking about not going to LFL for an eventual Blu-ray release. What I am telling you is that you cannot sit here and tell people that we no longer need LFL for a Blu-ray release since we'll have our own fan created one very shortly and expect LFL to not react.
The preservations have been allowed to exist to this point because most everyone has bought at least one version of Star Wars somewhere along the line. People with the LDs have the LD preservations. People bought the 04 sets and are now getting color corrected copies from someone else. Some of those things might be a legal gray area, but they seem to be acceptable to LFL.
i wish all the people here were as altruistic as you seem to be,
do you REALLY THINK FOR ONE MINUTE, people that have downloaded laserdisc transfers,
bootlegs, edits, etc, really OWNED THOSE EXACT VERSIONS, i'd be hard pressed to prove that..
I'm sure people have. But it's not up to us or this site to prove it either. If someone gets caught with a fan edit that they don't own the original of, that person will face fines. I would say that quite a few posters around here do indeed have official copies of every preservation effort that's been done. Quite a number of users here do indeed have every release of Star Wars to date.
This site does not make any bootlegs or fan edits available. That is the single difference between OT.com and fanedit.org. At ot.com, we discuss fan edits and preservations and then tell everybody where to find them. So in order to get anything that's been worked on, people have to actively visit different sites/places. That's probably one of the only reasons they're allowed to stay up.
I think most of this discussion has been great. I think you crossed the line when you suggested that we no longer need LFL though. I don't think I've ever seen anyone else make a statement like that around here.