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Waterworld ABC Cut? A ton of info - see McFly's posts for details (Released) — Page 19

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Oh man McFly...

I just watched your featurette "Wider is Worser"... Absolutely amazing!
Very nice voiceover, excellent job showcasing all the details and you had the perfect amount of humor added in.

I wont lie... when i heard of all these 'extras' you were adding I was kind of thinking 'meh.. gonna be some some fan-made stuff'. I'm very pleased to say I was wrong.
Bravo.

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Please feel free to write any criticism, particularly technical. I will have to wipe my drives soon and would like for the fans to sign off on my edit before it's set in stone.

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twiz said:

Oh man McFly...

I just watched your featurette "Wider is Worser"... Absolutely amazing!
Very nice voiceover, excellent job showcasing all the details and you had the perfect amount of humor added in.

 

Thanks! I didn't know quite how my features would play, so I'm glad you enjoyed them.

 

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Watched the whole thing the day it finished. Only qualm I have with it is the first disc ends rather abruptly, I feared I might've burned a coaster.

 

Just a simple "insert disc two" message would be nice...wouldn't be too hard for the user to add it themselves if they need it, but now I know when to expect it, so I'm okay ;)

 

Also, is that where the ABC edit cut it at? Long time ago when I found this thread, I remember you were trying to find out where they cut it, didn't read up to see if you found out.

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Asaki said:

Just a simple "insert disc two" message would be nice...wouldn't be too hard for the user to add it themselves if they need it, but now I know when to expect it, so I'm okay ;)

 

Also, is that where the ABC edit cut it at? Long time ago when I found this thread, I remember you were trying to find out where they cut it, didn't read up to see if you found out.

 

 I couldn't find out where the ABC cut ended, so I had to pick a halfway point. There was a commercial break at this spot in one of my captures, so I originally cut it there for technical reasons, and it stuck. "Insert Disc Two" may have been helpful, I guess I was just pretending it was a laserdisc when I decided to cut to black ;)

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mcfly89 said:

Please feel free to write any criticism, particularly technical. I will have to wipe my drives soon and would like for the fans to sign off on my edit before it's set in stone.

 

 I tell ya man I was impressed with this edit.

This is one of the better put together DVDs' out there!

 

I really enjoyed the special features as they were put together very well. The Menus really grabbed my attention and got me interested in viewing the film. WELL DONE!

My only flaw with this edit is the logos (in the bottom right corner) from the station IDs - I really hate when stations have the ID all over the film. The IDs' draw your attention away from the spectacular editing job that you have accomplished here.

 In the end it was worth it to have to deal with the staton IDs' because of the increased visual (video) quality and expierence you have achieved.

 

I give this edit 5 out of 5

 

You get the FULL BIFF from me for this edit.

 

Thanks for the honor!

 

 

 

 

 

Remember, Highlander, you’ve both still got your full measure of life. Use it well, and your future will be glorious.

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I noticed one 'glitch' where two scenes were merged but didnt match.

i think its at the end... where Helen walks around the end of a boat, the scene changes and she's a few feet back.
Nothing major.. just something i noticed. IMO, not worth fixing.

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Yeah, I think I noticed something like that on one of the scenes on the barge, but I figured he was already aware of it, seemed kind of intentional.

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twiz said:

I noticed one 'glitch' where two scenes were merged but didnt match.

i think its at the end... where Helen walks around the end of a boat, the scene changes and she's a few feet back.
Nothing major.. just something i noticed. IMO, not worth fixing.

 

 If it's a bad edit that was in the original extended version, I just leave it in. Do you know the timecode for the glitch?

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Asaki said:

Yeah, I think I noticed something like that on one of the scenes on the barge, but I figured he was already aware of it, seemed kind of intentional.

 

If you know the timecode, I could check it out.

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False alarm. All I can find is 1:00:06 (disc 2), which looks pretty normal to me. I must've blinked (or my DVD player skipped).

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Downloading right now.

I'm willing to put it on rapidshare, if people are interested...

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Im glad you left the logos in (i hate logos over recordings at the best of times), though as when you bother to notice them, you can apriciate how slick the editing/cutting really is (i had to constantly remind myself that none of this is sourced from the DVD itself).

Its long so set aside an un-interupted 3 hours to yourself when viewing (though not anywhere near as dragged out as i was possibly expecting from McFlys comments).

Yeah the skip between disks comes very mid flow into the trade scene and got me unaware even though i was expecting it at some point.

But this felt and sounded like Waterworld as ive never known it before. I really love it (i havent even had time to view the extras as yet).

Everyone can nit pick, (sound was a little muffled at points with the source, and there was a glitch with the video at one point for a fraction of a second - going to have to go back through it to get the time code) but its something you can damn well live with just to get your hands on this rare gem.

Thanks so much McFly for your time and effort. Very, very much apriciated bud.

EDIT: gone back through my files on my PC and the glitch wasnt there, so it may be my player or the disk i burnt it on.

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Mcfly, thanks for the fantastic work on this Fan preservation. Edskizzorhands, is there anyway to get a Disk 1 label with "Waterworld" located lower? My label has the words cut out because of the disk center.

 

Thanks to all for their efforts.

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Thought so. Dont know what your getting at, other than the label art included with the torrent, but edskizzorhands may be an idea to do some sort of disk art to match your fantastic cover there. It would be far to easy with the sunset and the mariner to go with your cover, so how about Nala and the decon for the disks? If you can grab them.

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this work is already available via RS.

Nothing about fanediting is easy.

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Just finished watching the 2nd disc tonight.  What are wonderful piece of work, thank you McFly!

I did love the movie when I first saw it as a kid and then I kinda grew up and found the whole thing rather silly.  Now this is the first time I have watched in about 10 years and I enjoyed it a lot.  Did not seem like a lot of extra scenes in there.  But the the bit where they are out in the water felt longer which is a good thing.

I think would have preferred a crop to Widescreen though as I think it suits the movie better.  However I think some shots were open matte, some Pan & Scan?

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I must say that mcfly89 has done a pretty good job at combining the best versions out there. And of course he's right when he says that someone has to do a fanedit because there is just too much in there now.

The little feature about wider is worser is ... well lets just say is disagree with it but I wouldn't have cropped it either, but for different reasons. The funny thing just is, that in every (and I mean every) scene that you listed as an example how much more you see in open matte, you also see that the only thing you see more is dead space ;)
Look at the scene where the girl runs to the camera. You see her being followed by the main supporting actress and only in the Wide version you see that the camera is actually following her. We are supposed to put our attention on her and that just doesn't work in FS because here you also see the face of the other woman.

But on the other hand, the matte isn't centered and even seems to move during the movie and it would be a bitch to keep track of it. Too much work for this preservation project. And also the resolution is already only NTSC, and cropping it and zooming in will just make it Babylon 5-like crappy. So fullscreen is okay but widescreen would be superior - if there was a suitable source.

Where you are completely wrong however is the BTTF example though. Unforgivable ;)
The wrong cropping in BTTF 2 & 3 came because they took a fullscreen master tape (which already had the cropped wide to full composite scenes) and then cropped it. Of course the framing would be wrong then, it's cropped twice now!
When they fixed it they went back to the original negative and took the original widescreen composite scenes which were matted correctly.

 

However, I did not want to rant or something, just offering my opinion. I like the job you have done, and I didn't even zoom in on my HDTV.

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damn, McFly, this was GREAT !!!, Amazing job. This version was so much better than the original:)
Also the name "Ulysses Cut", good one ;)
Now let us all make some subtitles in our own language to add to the DVD :)


Good job on the edits, the logos changed without me noticing !

One question, wasn't the Telemondo version in Spanish, because the trailer seems to be in Spanish.

Great bonus features you made. You make an excellent voice over;) Your DVD menu's were very good as well.

The only 'bug' I noticed was on disc 2 from 55:50 to 56:50 there's a row at the bottom of the screen with some distortion, but that's all (you probably won't notice if you watch it on tv).
And then there's a 'bug' in your featurette: "how it went down", at the end, you can see the shadow of the camera on the back of your shirt :p

Overall, it was perfect. I hope a lot of people can enjoy this and maybe one day Universal may pick it up and make a real extended version of it (in HD :))


Good luck with your movie making!

crocky,

 

 

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iRantanplan said:

Where you are completely wrong however is the BTTF example though. Unforgivable ;)
The wrong cropping in BTTF 2 & 3 came because they took a fullscreen master tape (which already had the cropped wide to full composite scenes) and then cropped it. Of course the framing would be wrong then, it's cropped twice now!
When they fixed it they went back to the original negative and took the original widescreen composite scenes which were matted correctly.

Back to the Future 2 & 3 were both shot open-matte, which means the Fullscreen master isn't Pan & Scan, but rather includes more information at the top and bottom of the screen. You may be right that they cropped the fullscreen master, which in theory would work, except for the fact that open-matte fullscreen releases usually do zoom the slightest bit (and thus lose a little off the left and right, see Waterworld screens earlier in the thread), and the guy who was overseeing the crop must have had his eyes closed.

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crocky said:

damn, McFly, this was GREAT !!!

Thanks!

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One question, wasn't the Telemondo version in Spanish, because the trailer seems to be in Spanish.

The Telemundo captures were in Spanish, but I just used the audio from the Sci-Fi version. Although, since the Sci-Fi version cut out some violence, I had to take it from the VHS or Telemundo, and they dub even cries of agony into "Spanish," so you may hear a Spanish guy getting hurt in one of the battles ;)

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The only 'bug' I noticed was on disc 2 from 55:50 to 56:50 there's a row at the bottom of the screen with some distortion, but that's all (you probably won't notice if you watch it on tv).
And then there's a 'bug' in your featurette: "how it went down", at the end, you can see the shadow of the camera on the back of your shirt :p

Wow, good eyes! The first one I never would have noticed, which means I won't go to the trouble of correcting it! The second one I tried to cover up by squashing the contrast range, but you caught me nonetheless ;)

 

 

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droidguy1119 said:

I still want to take a look at this edit, I have for a long time but I seem to forget about this board frequently, but Universal has announced they're doing it themselves. Hooray!

http://www.dvdactive.com/news/releases/waterworld.html

 

At least the version from Universal will be 1.85:1 proper and not look like it came from the television. Oh, and DNR'd up the wazoo. Hopefully this won't have an idiotic "Digital Copy" on it. Hopefully the cover won't be shite. All it takes is patience alot of the time for an official release. This goes for many films excluding Star Wars.

Should be lower priced compared to MSRP obviously.