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adywan said:

Since your little "fanboy jab was directed at me I'll just say this:

Your "Star Wars Revisited" is merely "Star Wars: The Extra Special Edition."  So by OT.com standards your opinion on this matter is invalid.  You are as bad as Lucas if not worse.  You know what would make Star Wars even better?  More Tie Fighters! (lol)

We need less childish drama over this kids movie.  Didn't like it?  Too bad. Stop acting like Lucas has slighted you personally.  Some of you just need to let it go. 

This isn't like Greedo shooting first.  This isn't the Prequel Trilogy.  Its a kids movie.  Its fun and incredibly stupid.  Some of you have forgotten how to experience joy.  Others are just too old for this shit.  Most people who saw the original SW in the theaters are at or over 40 years old.  That's your problem right there.  Well that and a complete lack of youthful imagination.

for gods sake, grow up and go back to TFN.

This movie was horrendous , no matter how old you are. but there are still people out there that will say its good just because it has the tag "Star Wars" and will continue to defend any piece of crap that Lucas keeps on putting out. If this was good then i would have said that it was, but it wasn't and the majority of the world tend to agree.

 

 

Hmm, another person telling me to go back to TFN.  Hmmm.  For the record I don't post on any other sites.  I guess that's why I'm not used to the pathetic, fanboy melodrama going on in this thread.

Adywan you are the perfect example of a hypocrite. You don't get it do you?

You complain about George's actions and yet your own fan film is nothing more than SW: The Extra Special Edition.  I have a suggestion for your ESB Edit.  More Wampas! How about 10 Wampas all attacking at once?  Maybe you could add another couple of dozen AT-ATs?  I'm sure GL is very proud of your work. Its done very much in the spirit of his own Special Edition. 

Also saying that people only like Clone Wars because it has the "Star Wars" tag is an ignorant generalization.

Again, I'm not defending the quality of the film.  I really am just laughing at the people who are outraged over a kids movie.  Its completely alright to hate this film just don't act like GL has slapped you in the face.

You willingly paid money to see something you probably knew you were going to hate.

And guess what?  If you saw the prequel trilogy and didn't like it, and yet you still went out to see Clone Wars....well not only is your opinion invalid but you probably shouldn't be complaining in the first place. 

 

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Crygor64 said:

 

However the drama over this goofy and many times stupid kids movie astounds and amuses me. Just look at some of the lulz worthy posts in this thread. The hysteria is hilarious. 

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I agree with you that it is a kids movie, and for the record I have not seen it nor I do not intend to see, but I am still glad this movie did not make alot of money this weekend, cause it gives hope to the whole goal of this website, getting the OOT fully restored for a future release.

I know a SW kids movie and the OOT seem like strange bedfellows for a reason for me wanting this movie to fail, but at this point, I am happy that anything Lucas does with SW tanks, cause it reiterates my personal opinion that Lucas has overestimated his PT fanbase, and underestiamted his OT fanbase, as even Lucas said in 2005, "There are people under 25 that love the PT, and people over 25 that don't like the PT."  The difference is those people under 25 aren't nearly as big as Lucas thinks.

I still say Lucas thought this would be the #1 movie of the weekend, cause SW always sells to the public.  I'm sure he wasn't expecting 80 million opening like a live action movie, but he was expecting a Pixar type opening at 40 million.  This movie did jack, not even good for an animated movie as Wall-E will make a hell of alot more money then this.

So for me the bitching in this thread, wasn't about a kids movie, it was about a wake up call to George, that the SW fanbase will always be dominated by the people who grew up with it and fell in love with the movies, as we hold those 3 OT movies sacred.  The more SW makes jackshit in the future, the more Lucas will eventually realize his cashcow will always be with the traditional fans. 

Now if Lucas would have remastered the OOT in 2006 the right way, and never said crap like, "The originals don't exist anymore."  Then I would not even bat an eye or even care what this Clone War movie does, but unfortunately there is a battle between Lucas and the OT fanbase, and when a SW movie makes 15 million and comes in 3rd place opening weekend, score one for the OT fanbase.

 

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Well CO, that's a reasonable, very well written post. I think most people here would agree with you concerning the OT/PT conflict and GL's astounding arrogance.  I know on that part we completely agree.

GL is not someone I want to defend. Not as an "artist" nor as a business man.  In a way I'm glad his greed was thwarted.   But as we've learned in the past nothing will change his mind.  When the GOUT trilogy bombed at retail I'm sure he was happy.  Somehow I think that fits into his twisted world view.

And I'm only busting Adywan's balls because anyone who creates their own "extra special edition" probably shouldn't be complaining about GL's own mania.  Glass houses and all... However I have always respected Adywan's abilities. Editing and CGI effects are not easy. His fan edit is amazing simply because of what he's accomplished.  I hope he understands how I feel.

But yeah, I still think the hysteria over Clone Wars is unwarranted.  I'm shocked to see myself in the position of defending a sily kids movie that prety much everyone hates.  Again, I'm not defending the quality of the film, I'm merely pointing out the hyprocrisy of some of the critics.  (very lulz worthy at times)

But still, the point I made earlier still stands.  If you saw the PT and hated it, and then went out and paid money to see Clone Wars, well....the joke is on you.

I brought a bunch of very young children to see the movie and they all loved it.  That has a particular effect on a person.  Maybe that's another reason I actually enjoyed the tv show....er movie.

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Crygor64 said:

Hmm, another person telling me to go back to TFN.  Hmmm.  For the record I don't post on any other sites.  I guess that's why I'm not used to the pathetic, fanboy melodrama going on in this thread.

Adywan you are the perfect example of a hypocrite. You don't get it do you?

You complain about George's actions and yet your own fan film is nothing more than SW: The Extra Special Edition.  I have a suggestion for your ESB Edit.  More Wampas! How about 10 Wampas all attacking at once?  Maybe you could add another couple of dozen AT-ATs?  I'm sure GL is very proud of your work. Its done very much in the spirit of his own Special Edition. 

Also saying that people only like Clone Wars because it has the "Star Wars" tag is an ignorant generalization.

Again, I'm not defending the quality of the film.  I really am just laughing at the people who are outraged over a kids movie.  Its completely alright to hate this film just don't act like GL has slapped you in the face.

You willingly paid money to see something you probably knew you were going to hate.

And guess what?  If you saw the prequel trilogy and didn't like it, and yet you still went out to see Clone Wars....well not only is your opinion invalid but you probably shouldn't be complaining in the first place. 

 

 

I just can't believe, in a thread about The Clone Wars, you decide to attack my edit and myself to prove your point. Again you call my reasons for my edit into this argument, but failed to even bother finding out the reasons why i did it in the first place.  And also why people have grown to hate the SE. It isn't me who doesn't get it, it is you. It was a small way of saying "look George, its all now been done. stop messing with the OT and give us the originals we want", and was just a fun alternative to the SE, not a replacement.

you also showed that you haven't even bothered to read what i originally wrote, yet decide to go on the offensive. I DID NOT PAY TO SEE THIS MOVIE. I stated this clearly in my first post. The only reason i went to see it is because i was taking my daughters younger half sister , who is a huge Star Wars fan, because she asked me if i would take her. And again i said that i enjoyed the PT upon first viewing and i don't hate the PT, i just don't think its anywhere near as good as the OT, so please try and get things right before you post your attack.

If the story had been good then the crappy CG wouldn't have bothered me, but it wasn't.

This thing was made for TV for gods sake, but the powers that be decided to try and milk even more money out of the Star Wars fans. That's one of the reasons we are pissed about this movie.

now hopefully we can be a little more civilized towards each other.

And CO, you have pretty much summed it all up there

 

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Adywan I'm sorry you missed my point about your fan edit and its connection to GL's own mania. It wasn't intended as an insult to you or your work.

I don't care about the conditions under which you saw the Clone Wars "movie." (Right you brought some kid, you somehow got in free, whatever.) You still went to see it.  Joke's on you.   That comment was directed at the complainers in this thread. Not you. 

Anyway we will just have to agree to disagree. 

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Excellent article. I can't believe I hadn't seen it until now.....

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/29/movies/29itzk.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&ref=movies

 

Free to Follow His Heart Right Back to ‘Star Wars’

Published: June 29, 2008

FUTURE generations will never need to establish a George Lucas museum, because George Lucas has already built one for himself. On either side of the Golden Gate Bridge he has constructed himself two temples where “Star Wars” is made and worshiped: at his Skywalker Ranch in Marin County and his newer office complex, the Letterman Digital Arts Center at the Presidio, he has gathered all manner of relics honoring his six-film saga, from the imposing (life-size replicas of the villains Darth Vader and Boba Fett) to the self-congratulatory (a Yoda fountain) to the self-deprecating (a carbonite block encasing the much loathed Jar Jar Binks).

Like religious shrines, these buildings both consecrate and confine the man for whom they were built.

Using the freedom and the fortune he has amassed largely on the astronomical success of “Star Wars,” Mr. Lucas has accumulated unparalleled creative resources; his next film could be anything from a sweeping epic to one of the intimate personal narratives he has often said he would like to make. Instead his next two ventures will be “Star Wars” projects, no less ambitious than his previous films yet potentially less commercial. And they come at a time when even the “Star Wars” faithful wonder if Mr. Lucas’s continued mining of this fantasy world has anything more to yield.

A few weeks ago Mr. Lucas, who is 64 with a full white beard, was visiting his Presidio offices somewhat reluctantly, on a layover between the European and Japanese premieres of his latest “Indiana Jones” movie. “I love making movies; I’m not the biggest fan of selling them,” he said, seated in the librarylike Lucasfilm boardroom, stocked with books about real-world military history and novels like “Quo Vadis.” “But since I’m in the selling mood, that’s what you’re here for. I’m doing all my selling for two more weeks. Then I’m sold out.”

He was pitching a computer-generated animated movie called “Star Wars: The Clone Wars,” which Warner Brothers will release on Aug. 15 and which will introduce an animated television series with the same title that will have its debut on the Cartoon Network this fall.

Despite his vows to the contrary Mr. Lucas did not conclude his “Star Wars” epic with his 2005 film “Revenge of the Sith,” the third in a trilogy of prequel movies that grossed more than $1 billion in the United States alone. As far back as 2002 he was contemplating an animated series that would take place between Episodes II and III of his prequels, fleshing out the adventures of the Jedi knights Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker (who is doomed to become the evil Darth Vader), and explore heroes, villains and planets glossed over in the prequel films.

For Mr. Lucas this was an opportunity to revisit imaginary turf that gives him great personal satisfaction. “Star Wars,” he said, is “a sandbox I love to play in.”

“It’s not a matter of trying to prove anything to anybody,” he added. “I don’t have to.”

But his enduring interest in “Star Wars” hints at a lesson that his filmmaking peers have already learned: that it is sometimes easier for them to make big movies than small ones. As his longtime friend and collaborator Steven Spielberg wrote in an e-mail message: “All of us would like to make these little personal films that sneak into theaters under the radar. Sadly, for George and myself, and others who have enjoyed and endured great success — ‘under the radar’ has become a no-fly zone.”

Mr. Lucas began pursuing his “Clone Wars” projects about three years ago when he summoned the technological might of his company’s research and development division to start building Lucasfilm Animation, now a pair of studios at Big Rock Ranch — part of Skywalker — and in Singapore. (Lucasfilm declined to discuss budgets, but Mr. Lucas said that building a similar operation in the 1980s — the era when he sold a start-up computer-animation business called Pixar to Steven P. Jobs — would have cost him $60 million to $100 million.)

Next he hired a team of young “Star Wars”-obsessed artists who revere Mr. Lucas as if he were Yoda himself.

“He’s the guy,” said Dave Filoni, director of the “Clone Wars” show and movie. “Chewbacca exists because he named him, thought him up, put him in the cockpit.”

The two men worked closely together (Mr. Filoni is a former director of the Nickelodeon action cartoon “Avatar: The Last Airbender”) to hone the anime-inspired look of “The Clone Wars” and develop scripts, often drawing upon unused ideas Mr. Lucas had been stockpiling since the original “Star Wars” was released in 1977.

Then Mr. Lucas took the unusual step of waiting until the first 22-episode season of “The Clone Wars” was nearly finished before pitching it to television networks in late 2007. There were no immediate takers. Fox Broadcasting, the sister company of 20th Century Fox, which released the live-action “Star Wars” movies, passed. And the Cartoon Network, which had broadcast a series of traditional 2-D animated shorts called “Star Wars: Clone Wars” from 2003 to 2005, was lukewarm about the project.

That tepidness may have stemmed from some viewers’ dissatisfaction with the “Star Wars” prequels, with their stilted dialogue and baffling politics. Or it may have indicated that “Clone Wars” wasn’t compatible with a prime-time network schedule. “It didn’t fit any of the molds that everybody had,” Mr. Lucas said. “It’s not ‘SpongeBob SquarePants,’ but at the same time it’s also not ‘Family Guy.’ ”

Mr. Lucas said that Warner Brothers became interested only after he decided to produce a theatrical “Clone Wars” film (having been encouraged by the animation results he saw), and the film studio convinced its corporate siblings at the Cartoon Network to give the television series another look. (Executives at Warner Brothers and the Cartoon Network, both divisions of Time Warner, gave slightly different chronologies but did not dispute this element of Mr. Lucas’s account.)

For Time Warner the “Clone Wars” collaboration is more than a one-time opportunity to share in the money-minting “Star Wars” franchise. “It’s the relationship with Lucasfilm that we’re very excited about,” said Dan Fellman, president for domestic distribution of Warner Brothers Pictures. “Not just on the Cartoon Network but possibly for live-action television down the road.”

Sure enough, Mr. Lucas is already developing a live-action “Star Wars” television series, and Time Warner would love to demonstrate that one of its cable channels (like TBS, TNT or HBO) could give it a good home.

But the question remains: Just because new “Star Wars” can be made, should new “Star Wars” be made?

Some “Star Wars” aficionados — even those who have worked with Mr. Lucas on “Star Wars” projects — are ambivalent about his continued plundering of a science-fiction property that has already spawned numerous comic books, video games and novels, not to mention six movies.

“I think it’s the easiest thing to do, because he doesn’t need to come up with a whole new thing; everything’s established,” said Genndy Tartakovsky, the animator who directed Mr. Lucas’s previous “Clone Wars” shorts for the Cartoon Network. Speaking as a fan, Mr. Tartakovsky said, “I appreciate that, but there’s so much more that he could explore.”

Mr. Lucas said he had no urgent or compelling reasons for returning to his most popular characters and mythologies, except that he can and enjoys doing so. As an illustration he pointed to his work with Mr. Spielberg on “Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.”

“I mean, why do we have to make another ‘Indiana Jones’?” Mr. Lucas said. “There was no point to it, other than, gee, this might be fun.”

But to the extent that “Star Wars” had kept him from fulfilling his promise to return to making more personal, smaller-scale films, Mr. Lucas lamented this distraction. “You get sidetracked easily,” he said with a chuckle. “I do, anyway.”

And he was deeply pessimistic about the marketplace he will face when he someday releases a movie that is not set in a galaxy far, far away. “Maybe it ends up in a festival somewhere,” he said. “Maybe it ends up in half a dozen theaters around the country for a couple weeks.”

As he so often does, Mr. Lucas took a lesson from the experience of his friend and mentor Francis Ford Coppola, whose most recent film, “Youth Without Youth,” received a small independent release that was hardly on the scale of his “Godfather” movies. (In the United States the film played in just 18 theaters and grossed less than $250,000.)

“Did you see it?” Mr. Lucas asked rhetorically. “Uh, no. Did you even know it came out?”

Responding to questions sent via e-mail Mr. Coppola agreed that the films he now makes, and that Mr. Lucas says he intends to make, had little chance at achieving blockbuster status. “We make films for ourselves,” he wrote. “If no one wants to see them, what can we do?” (With a parenthetical shrug, Mr. Coppola added: “Emotion does much better at the box office than philosophy.”)

Other former colleagues of Mr. Lucas argued that new “Star Wars” projects have provided technological boons for the entire film business, yielding Industrial Light and Magic, Mr. Lucas’s pioneering special-effects company, and EditDroid, the digital film-editing hardware that was a forerunner to the Avid editing system.

“He does it in a way that might begin as self-serving and then of course is a bonanza for the whole industry,” said Sid Ganis, the president of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, who was a Lucasfilm executive during the 1980s.

Mr. Ganis added that Mr. Lucas possessed “an intuition that he stubbornly sticks by.”

“There’s something in him, when you’re told, ‘No, it’ll never work,’ it’s motivation to keep it going,” he added.

And as Mr. Lucas would be the first to remind you, he has proved his detractors wrong many times in his career, from the film executives who thought “American Graffiti” would work better as a television movie to the industry colleagues who warned him not to finance “The Empire Strikes Back” with his profits from “Star Wars.”

When he works on the “Star Wars” properties he owns outright, Mr. Lucas has the freedom to ignore the input of others. In the case of “The Clone Wars” he is financing the series himself and charging Time Warner licensing fees to distribute the film and broadcast the show. (A person with knowledge of the company’s animation operations, speaking anonymously to avoid offending Mr. Lucas, said that the earliest episodes of “The Clone Wars” probably cost $750,000 to $1.5 million each.)

“It’s much easier for me to just do the show I want, say, ‘Here it is, do you wish to license it or not?’ ” Mr. Lucas said. “That’s it. There’s no notes, no comments. I don’t care what your opinion is. You either put it on the air or you don’t.”

But Mr. Lucas’s creative independence cannot shield him from the larger realities of the film business. He is not planning, at least right away, to go head to head with more established animation studios like DreamWorks, Disney and Pixar. The mid-August release of the “Clone Wars” movie — an unusually late date for a new “Star Wars” film — was scheduled in part to avoid competition with recent offerings from these studios.

It is also exceedingly likely that “The Clone Wars” will be the lowest-grossing “Star Wars” movie ever; Mr. Lucas said he would be satisfied if the film made $100 million domestically. (“Revenge of the Sith,” by comparison, grossed $380 million.)

When he is not, say, testifying before a House subcommittee about classroom technology or appearing at Cannes with his frequent companion, Mellody Hobson, the president of the investment firm Ariel Capital Management, on his arm, Mr. Lucas has plenty of new projects to keep him busy.

He is already working on the second and third seasons of “The Clone Wars” and forging ahead on his live-action “Star Wars” television show. Then, he said, he would seek other films and television series for his animation studio and continue to develop “Red Tails,” a long-in-the-works feature film about the Tuskegee Airmen that he is producing.

And after that, who knows?

Mr. Lucas pointed back to his very first feature film, “THX 1138,” a dystopian work of science fiction released in 1971, one that at the time he believed would be his one and only shot at directing a movie exactly as he envisioned it. (The movie’s critical and commercial reception very nearly proved him right.)

All that his wealth has bought him, Mr. Lucas said, is the opportunity to make more films the way he wants to. “I’ve got more shots,” he said. “I can go and make half a dozen ‘THXes.’ I’ll lose everything I put into them, guaranteed. But I can have a lot of fun doing it.”

 

It's interesting to note that according to the article WB only became interested in the TV series when the idea of doing a Clone Wars Movie first came up. Also Lucas isn't expecting Clone Wars to gross as much as the other movies but will be happy with 100 million dollars domestically. It's not even going to get close.

 

 

 

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Using Thx as a metaphor for small films is a joke considering he went back and ruined the movie by adding crappy cgi. He also never even bothered releasing the original cut on dvd, thats right not even a non anamorphic version.

Would it have killed him to include the original cuts of his films in anamorphic on dvd?

Like every other sane director.

Hey you can use the excuse well THX 1138 made no money so it does not deserve the gold standard dvd treatment. But the original star wars trilogy the highest grossing films and most popular of the seventies and eighties, does not fit the same.

The film that gave america a modern mythology gets treated like the bastard child Lucas wished had never been born.

 

Even a greedy corporation like Paramount gave trek fans the original versions in good quality dvds.

NON anamorphic gout in 2006 is the biggest joke and insult in cinema history.

That the asshole who made that decision can still be regarded as a filmic god is well beyond my comprehension.

 

The lucas who directed Graffiti and Star wars is long gone. He did those films at the pinnacle of his powers as a film maker. Similarily with Raiders, empire strikes back being executive produced by him.

Return of the Jedi was not as good as the first 2 films but at least it completed the trilogy and had some good moments. Willow was a fun picture even though a flop.

I can even enjoy more american graffiti as much as it sucks. Hell i even enjoyed moments of the Holiday Special of star wars, howard the duck and the young indiana jones chronicles.

But i cannot abide the absolute shit prequels and special editions.

 

I could enjoy the originals and forgot the dross if Lucas only released the real movies from 1977-1983 in acceptable quality for the new millenium.

Not an obsolete video format from 1993 dumped on a second disc as bonus material. Might as well take out a blank dvdr and take a shit on it that is the amount of Work Lucas put into that release.

Besides the fact that a laserdisc video master, without the real theatrical sound mixes and digital video noise reduction ruination of the image. That is supposed to approximate a film series that was released in six track magnetic sound and 70mm.

Lets take out the episode IV title and pretend it is the theatrical version when the movie was already updated several times. The original technicolor colors had faded and remixes were done in 1985 and 1992-93 on the sound track.

Still nothing is as bad as releasing the 2004 set as the original star wars trilogy falsely advertised without the special edition title on the box.

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-Mr. Lucas said he would be satisfied if the film made $100 million domestically-

 

This was my whole point all along guys as to why I am glad this movie didn't make squat this weekend, and it won't even make 50 million domestically.  Even though many call this a kids movie, which I 100% agree, Lucas thought the SW adult fans like us would still turn out, but the OT fans stayed at home, and only the parents with kids and PT fanboys went to see this, as they said 2/3 of the audience were families.  So that shows that the PT fanboys are not that big a fanbase as Lucas predicted, as movie that makes 100 million domestically, usually does about 30-40 million the first weekend.  This maybe a wakeup call to Lucas that the majority of the fanbase is the older OT fans, as they are the ones that love the movies, and live and die by them.

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http://digitalpimponline.com/strips.php?title=movie&id=361

 

CO said:

-Mr. Lucas said he would be satisfied if the film made $100 million domestically-

 

This was my whole point all along guys as to why I am glad this movie didn't make squat this weekend, and it won't even make 50 million domestically.  Even though many call this a kids movie, which I 100% agree, Lucas thought the SW adult fans like us would still turn out, but the OT fans stayed at home, and only the parents with kids and PT fanboys went to see this, as they said 2/3 of the audience were families.  So that shows that the PT fanboys are not that big a fanbase as Lucas predicted, as movie that makes 100 million domestically, usually does about 30-40 million the first weekend.  This maybe a wakeup call to Lucas that the majority of the fanbase is the older OT fans, as they are the ones that love the movies, and live and die by them.

Yeah I pointed that out for you CO.

I also find it interesting the people were saying whatever money Lucasfilm and WB make on this movie is basically profit. But based on what is said in this article WB can't be very happy at all. Sure they'll make some money off the box office but now they are potentially stuck wth a tv show for a couple of seasons that could end up being a real dud. A tv show they only really wanted to distribute so the could get the rights to distribute the film.

 

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Adywan I'm sorry you missed my point about your fan edit and its connection to GL's own mania. It wasn't intended as an insult to you or your work.

Are you sure?:

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Your "Star Wars Revisited" is merely "Star Wars: The Extra Special Edition."  So by OT.com standards your opinion on this matter is invalid.  You are as bad as Lucas if not worse.  You know what would make Star Wars even better?  More Tie Fighters! (lol)

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Adywan you are the perfect example of a hypocrite. You don't get it do you? You complain about George's actions and yet your own fan film is nothing more than SW: The Extra Special Edition.  I have a suggestion for your ESB Edit.  More Wampas! How about 10 Wampas all attacking at once?  Maybe you could add another couple of dozen AT-ATs?  I'm sure GL is very proud of your work. Its done very much in the spirit of his own Special Edition.

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And I'm only busting Adywan's balls because anyone who creates their own "extra special edition" probably shouldn't be complaining about GL's own mania.  Glass houses and all... However I have always respected Adywan's abilities. Editing and CGI effects are not easy. His fan edit is amazing simply because of what he's accomplished.  I hope he understands how I feel.

Yes, it is clear that you respect his abilities.  I'm sure he understands how you feel.  You didn't seem to hold anything back.

 

 

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You willingly paid money to see something you probably knew you were going to hate.

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But still, the point I made earlier still stands.  If you saw the PT and hated it, and then went out and paid money to see Clone Wars, well....the joke is on you.

 

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I don't care about the conditions under which you saw the Clone Wars "movie." (Right you brought some kid, you somehow got in free, whatever.) You still went to see it.  Joke's on you.   That comment was directed at the complainers in this thread. Not you. 

 

 

 Wait, i thought the joke was only those who paid for it?

 

Crygor64 has skillz.  I wish i was able to post out of both sides of my a$$.

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I cannot believe T-Bone actually gave this film a positive review on his site.

He just lost a lot of credibility as far as i am concerned, even though realizing he is one of those so called "saga" fans and is not one of us.

I would expect to find a review like that on tfn but not t'bones star wars universe.

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skyjedi2005 said:

I cannot believe T-Bone actually gave this film a positive review on his site.

He just lost a lot of credibility as far as i am concerned, even though realizing he is one of those so called "saga" fans and is not one of us.

I would expect to find a review like that on tfn but not t'bones star wars universe.

Not one of us? Please don't speak for everyone here.

I enjoyed the movie, and actually SAW it.

Thanks.

 

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Using Thx as a metaphor for small films is a joke considering he went back and ruined the movie by adding crappy cgi. He also never even bothered releasing the original cut on dvd, thats right not even a non anamorphic version.

Would it have killed him to include the original cuts of his films in anamorphic on dvd?

Like every other sane director.

Hey you can use the excuse well THX 1138 made no money so it does not deserve the gold standard dvd treatment. But the original star wars trilogy the highest grossing films and most popular of the seventies and eighties, does not fit the same.

The film that gave america a modern mythology gets treated like the bastard child Lucas wished had never been born.

 

Even a greedy corporation like Paramount gave trek fans the original versions in good quality dvds.

NON anamorphic gout in 2006 is the biggest joke and insult in cinema history.

That the asshole who made that decision can still be regarded as a filmic god is well beyond my comprehension.

 

The lucas who directed Graffiti and Star wars is long gone. He did those films at the pinnacle of his powers as a film maker. Similarily with Raiders, empire strikes back being executive produced by him.

Return of the Jedi was not as good as the first 2 films but at least it completed the trilogy and had some good moments. Willow was a fun picture even though a flop.

I can even enjoy more american graffiti as much as it sucks. Hell i even enjoyed moments of the Holiday Special of star wars, howard the duck and the young indiana jones chronicles.

But i cannot abide the absolute shit prequels and special editions.

 

I could enjoy the originals and forgot the dross if Lucas only released the real movies from 1977-1983 in acceptable quality for the new millenium.

Not an obsolete video format from 1993 dumped on a second disc as bonus material. Might as well take out a blank dvdr and take a shit on it that is the amount of Work Lucas put into that release.

Besides the fact that a laserdisc video master, without the real theatrical sound mixes and digital video noise reduction ruination of the image. That is supposed to approximate a film series that was released in six track magnetic sound and 70mm.

Lets take out the episode IV title and pretend it is the theatrical version when the movie was already updated several times. The original technicolor colors had faded and remixes were done in 1985 and 1992-93 on the sound track.

Still nothing is as bad as releasing the 2004 set as the original star wars trilogy falsely advertised without the special edition title on the box.

 

 he at one time almost decided to just let the movies slide completely the way they were in the original cut. then cgi came along and he took advantage of it. btw, how he used politics in the prequel trilogy, gives u a good idea of what goverment in the star wars universe is like and how it relates to ours. best thing he did with the prequels!

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The Clone Wars movie falls to #7 this weekend, as it takes in only 1.5 million on Friday night.  The movie will now have made only about 24 million after 2 weeks, and I don't think will even make 40 million domestic gross.  But as George Lucas said a couple of weeks ago, "I would be satisfied if the movie makes 100 million domestically."

Hooray to SW fans, we finally didn't get duped by Lucas and a majority of fans stayed away from this turkey.  Lets' see if Lucas keeps catering to little kids and PT fans:)

 

 

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I dont understand all this discussion. This movie sucks ass! 'nuff said.

Seriously, why all this debate? I can't see how anyone could enjoy a movie like that - except fanboys/retarded people. I just dont get it. Its like seeking the good parts in a movie like "The Hottie & the Nottie"! It's obviously bad, lets move on to discussing reasons why it failed, not _if_ it failed at all.

PS: And i think we are insulting the intelligence of our children by saying this is a kids movie. I would have never liked this, even as a child, for many reasons.

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Deathcrow said:

I dont understand all this discussion. This movie sucks ass! 'nuff said.

Seriously, why all this debate? I can't see how anyone could enjoy a movie like that - except fanboys/retarded people. I just dont get it. Its like seeking the good parts in a movie like "The Hottie & the Nottie"! It's obviously bad, lets move on to discussing reasons why it failed, not _if_ it failed at all.

PS: And i think we are insulting the intelligence of our children by saying this is a kids movie. I would have never liked this, even as a child, for many reasons.

so ur saying i'm a retard? well i don't care, it was a good movie and i enjoyed it. and don't even say as a kid u wouldn't like it. u would probably have been dying to see it. if u think u can do better, get ur friends together and make a clone wars movie the way u think it should be made!

 

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Wow, you certainly do have a penchant for using the letter "u," don't you? ^_~

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But his enduring interest in “Star Wars” hints at a lesson that his filmmaking peers have already learned: that it is sometimes easier for them to make big movies than small ones. As his longtime friend and collaborator Steven Spielberg wrote in an e-mail message: “All of us would like to make these little personal films that sneak into theaters under the radar. Sadly, for George and myself, and others who have enjoyed and endured great success — ‘under the radar’ has become a no-fly zone.”


I don't feel sorry for Lucas and Spielberg. They aren't trapped by their names. All they have to do is start making enough smaller, non-epic films and people will stop paying attention eventually. Plus, what does it matter to the actual film if people are paying attention or not? If the film is good in its own way, it will still be appreciated to that degree, even if pop culture ignores it. How absurd.

This is what makes me glad about Clone Wars. Star Wars is now becoming so watered-down and unremarkable that your average person doesn't care anymore. The prequels made so much money because they were the Star Wars movies that had been promised for so long. The series is now descending into Star Trek territory. Eventually, nobody but the most esoteric of fans will care about what versions of the films are released. Apart from some strange event, Star Wars will die with this generation and everything we know about George's "vision" won't matter to anyone beyond the sheer curiosity of it. Our silly debates defending or attacking George will disappear (apart from dispassionate debates about artistic principles). I'm glad since that probably means that everyone will get what they want. It may take twenty years, but this nonsense will stop.

I think it's time to emotionally move on.

 

"Now all Lucas has to do is make a cgi version of himself.  It will be better than the original and fit his original vision." - skyjedi2005

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only over the years the star wars fan base has been getting bigger and bigger. until george lucas stops reminding us of star wars and any novels are stopped written and those that already have been r forgotten, only then will star wars die. right now i think it'll be around for awhile whether u like it or not.

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there were plenty of awesome moments throughout the film,

that i really enjoyed....   here's a few of the them from the first part (i'll post more later on)..

 

 

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1 http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/8818/clone001ab6.jpg

 

the initial lack of a crawl sets it apart from the movies, and the announcer tells

you that something different is coming

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2 http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5980/clone002jabba2gg5.jpg

jabbas palace, seeing it again, with the slave dancers etc, brought back

a lot of memories from 'jedi'

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3 http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/474/clone003jabbapalvg3.jpg

seeing more detailed shots of jabbas palace, and its location

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4 http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/5421/clone004r2d2ui7.jpg

seeing r2d2 again, was awesome, as its my favorite droid, always saving

the day....

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5 http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7079/clone005obianikas1.jpg

obi-wan is always cool, and the interaction and friendship with anakin is always

interesting to observe

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6 http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/351/clone006dookventhp7.jpg

count dooku and ventriss....nice to have the bad guys back again...

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7 http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/5213/clone007jungletrooperok7.jpg

the jungle troopers looked really cool

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8 http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2205/clone008obinegotiatezf2.jpg

obi-wan showing us his negotiation skills..always comes in handy when dealing

with the imperials..along with the humor.....

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once again, the dancer at jabbas palace, brought back memories from 'jedi'

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10 http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/8903/clone010headssy0.jpg

gory image of the decapacitated bounty hunters...  NOT FOR KIDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

a lot more coming up..

 

later

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Is there a "screener" with badly translated subtitles ala "Backstroke of the West" yet? ;)

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keep the caps coming, -1...I agree for the most part. I didn't like how Tatooine is becoming a 'bright centre to the universe but it was cool to see Jabba's palace, And Dooku and Ventress actually working together, We didn't get that sort of thing last time around.

The sore point here is not that it sucked but that they are charging people $12.50 for it [Your ticket price may vary].

Has it ever actually been revealed how Anakin got that scar on his face? - I ask because In the 2d series it is 'revealed' to us and to Padme Some time after he became a Jedi Knight - he had LONG hair at the time, But here he is with much shorter hair and a visible scar...My point being Padme's reaction as though she had NEVER seen the scar before.

EDIT, Just noticed for the first time Dooku with orange 'sith' eyes...rewatched the latest trailer.

 

 

 

 

 

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Crygor64 said:

Others are just too old for this shit.

 

I couldn't have said it any better.  This movie is shit, pure and simple.

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if u think u can do better, get ur friends together and make a clone wars movie the way u think it should be made!

 

I love this.  Any time someone criticizes a movie for being crap, it's always "go make your own".  Well, why can't the Director and Creator just make something good instead of throwing a bunch of shit on the screen that he thinks kids will like?  He didn't seem to have a problem doing that in 77, but in 2008 he has failed miserably.

 

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rcb said:

only over the years the star wars fan base has been getting bigger and bigger.

Not really. A lot of the newly added fans are not in the same fan base as far as I'm concerned. Star Wars has meant a lot of different things over the years.

"Now all Lucas has to do is make a cgi version of himself.  It will be better than the original and fit his original vision." - skyjedi2005