ok, i'm having a short break from making my Darth Vader costume for the kids party so i can finally reply to some of the posts:
ImperialFighter said:
an interesting idea but i won't be adding any TIEs until the Falcon escape scenes. Don't forget that Vader has tricked Lando into thinking that the Empire won't be taking over Cloud City at first. so seeing TIE's or other imperial ships would take this deception away.
I also won't be adding any imperial ships to any of the shots where Luke approaches Bespin. It's supposed to be a trap so i think Vader would have ordered any ships to remain hidden.
ImperialFighter said:
I think that the Executor would probably be a lot further back from the blockade. I will be doing something with this shot, but i think that Hoth should still be in shot
also the idea of the ships shooting off into hyperspace (sorry i can't remember who suggested this) is a pretty good idea. i may include this. i also like the PSYCHO_DAYV's idea of one of the X-wings being destroyed to add to the peril of the escape, as it does look a bit too easy as it stands now.
Also i don't think the stardestroyers should be in any sort of formation in the Exector reveal scene.
But the shot where we see the full Executor for the first time, they have omitted the third stardestroyer in that shot as has been pointed out, so it will have to be fixed and the position of the stardestroyer underneath is wrong compared to the previous shot. they all have to be fixed.
Now as to the colouring of the Executor. the original Blue colour always looked best so i will be keeping it blue (just not as much as it is in the 2004 transfers). the TIE's on the other hand will have their colour changed to light grey/blue. the change in colour will be more explained in ROTJ:R when you will see that the death star TIE's are all grey, whereas the the stardestroyer TIEs will have the slight blue tint to them. But all this may change when i get around to the FX work. Recolouring things can look very fake so, because many of the shots in ESB have the TIEs as grey, if there are any colouring problems then they will have to go back to all being grey. i would rather have the bland grey look than a fake recolour job that looks like the recoloured black & white movies. even using overlays can cause a lot of problems due to the framing of the movies in the GOUT compared to that of the 2004 set. using the GOUT for many of the chase sequence just wouldn't be possible.
But after all i have to remind people that i'm not doing a restoration at all so the colouring does not have to be the same. This is a re-imagining of the saga. If i was doing it as a restoration then it would be of the OOT not the SE
Darth Lars said:I noticed something with the color correction, in a few of the videos that were posted. I don't know if these were intended to be the final shots or if they have been corrected.
The hue of the Snowspeeder pilots costumes is not consistent between every shot. Some times, the costume is much too red. The real flight suit (pants) had a mid-orange hue with no shift towards red. The jacket should have largely the same orange hue as the pants (coveralls) but be only slightly less saturated, except on Dagobah where the jacket gets darker because it gets wet and dirty. If the jacket has a shift from orange, it is towards yellow.
See especially in the shot where Han arrives at Echo base after leaving Luke. Look first at the pilot that passes Han Solo and then at the pilots working on a snowspeeder. I noticed no such color problems in my OOT / laserdisc-RIP.
you have the 2004 transfers to thank for this. there isn't much i can do because trying to get the suits to match is throwing off the skin tones. same thing happened in ANH:R. i'll try and do something but i don't hold out too much hope.
The ION cannon blast will have a small tweak done to the FX but i agree that its not meant to destroy the ship, just disable it.
i see we are still on the subject of Bobas voice somewhat. I won't be keeping Morrison's voice. the whole delivery of the lines is BAD. the original sounds much better and more menacing. You have to remember that i will be doing the PT so the voice while wearing the amour for Jango will be changed. If he was this fearsome bounty hunter why would he wear a mask but have his voice unchanged? surely he would have some sport of voice modulator that would disguise hiw voice so no one knows his true identity, else why wear a mask in the first place?
now the asteroids... i think they look fine as they are. i always loved the look of them. they just need their original colouring restored and some re compositing, thats all.
Shadowman99, that's some good observation there. i need to fully view that sequence again before i can make any comments on this.
teharri, thanks for pointing out that shot in the DVD menus. I really want to use that, and most probably will be able to now because i have some real bad news....
it is going to be impossible to do the revisited saga in HD. I've been doing a lot of wok in FX testing (which i won't be showing since it looks fake) and because i will have to be using so much SD elements to create these edits, upscaling them to HD makes them stick out like a sore thumb. I just wouldn't be happy releasing anything that looks so inferior to what could be achieved by working in SD. I can't apologise enough but its a very difficult decision i had to make.
But i will still be doing the colour corrected SE trilogy though.
adywan said:
also the idea of the ships shooting off into hyperspace (sorry i can't remember who suggested this) is a pretty good idea. i may include this.
That was me. Yay for me!
it is going to be impossible to do the revisited saga in HD. I've been doing a lot of wok in FX testing (which i won't be showing since it looks fake) and because i will have to be using so much SD elements to create these edits, upscaling them to HD makes them stick out like a sore thumb. I just wouldn't be happy releasing anything that looks so inferior to what could be achieved by working in SD. I can't apologise enough but its a very difficult decision i had to make.
You know, as excited as I was for ESBRHD, it makes sense to have to have it scaled back down. When people were asking about doing ANHRHD, I thought through all of the changes in the visual comparison, and wondered how you would be able to recreate any of that in HD when you used all of those elements from the GOUT. And not being able to use ANYTHING from the GOUT would really hurt the final product of ESBRHD.
So I'm fine with ESBRSD. I'm just as excited about it as I always was.
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doubleofive said:So I'm fine with ESBRSD. I'm just as excited about it as I always was.
Ditto. That's what we expected in the first place, so that's fine. Thanks for the update, Ady.
Oh, and you should show us your Vader costume when you're done, maybe in another thread. Unless its so accurate that you're planning on inserting yourself as Vader's hologram to Veers...
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Ha! Nice, 005. I forgot to ask him about showing us the costume. Hadn't thought of the Veers thing.
teharri, thanks for pointing out that shot in the DVD menus. I really want to use that, and most probably will be able to now because i have some real bad news....
I have been trying to rip that scene from the DVD and it turns out it is much more difficult than I originally anticipated. Too bad about the HD, will this in any way speed up the process since it is no longer HD or will it be about the same amount of time.
Heh, yeah... SD on a quad core now! :p
Rendering SD on the new quad should make ESBR available to download in about three days from now! I can't wait! :)
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teharri said:I have been trying to rip that scene from the DVD and it turns out it is much more difficult than I originally anticipated. Too bad about the HD, will this in any way speed up the process since it is no longer HD or will it be about the same amount of time.
I would recommend "DVD shrink" to get the actual menu file onto the hard disk as a "re-authored" disk, then some .vob to avi converter. The latter might be the harder part.
And I think ESBR-SD is fine. I mean, HD is beautiful, but normal DVDs look pretty dang great, especially if on an upconvert dvd player. I'd prefer a great, relatively quicker ESBR to a slow, tedious development on an HD version. Good choice, Ady.
I'm actually happy to hear that this won't be in HD. At first I was incredibly excited, then when the Wampa shot came out with the (no offense, Ady, you'll see where I'm going with this) awful new "tusks," I started to wonder. Then Ady said it was hard to find HD-quality stuff to work with for that shot, and I started hoping the project would revert back to SD - after all, I don't give two shits that ANH is SD, it looks fantastic, and I'm sure there's a lot more he could have used for that shot if it were done for SD.
If keeping it SD improves the quality of the changes, by all means, I have no qualms at all about it. In fact, I'm glad.
And I can't wait to get this in my DVD player to see it.
Ady, your ANH:R looked awesome!...I don't know how you did it but the image quality was better than the source, at least to my eyes....I don't think anybody who is a fan of your work is going to be too concerned about having ESB:R and ROTJ:R in SD....I know I'm not..
You're an artist Ady.
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It's always good to read some of your own perspective on certain scenes Adywan, and to get some further indications of what we can expect in some shots in your edit, without giving too much away at this point.
I hope you do end up doing something with those ideas of doubleofive and PSYCHO_DAVY, as they are good ones. And I'm really pleased to see that you intend to re-position where the 'shadowed' Stardestroyer is placed under the full reveal of the 'Executor'.
As far as the end of the HD 'Revisited' edits go, well I'm sure that all of us are already delighted with the quality on show on your ANH:R, and the fact that you will be able to have an easier time with 'Empire' and the rest of the saga now. And having the option of now being able to use some of the great 'menu' elements (such as the Millennium Falcon 'flypast') is a good thing too.
Enjoy the party!
Sorry if this has been asked already but when can we expect a DVD release for this?
I just looked at doubleofive's slide show comparing the 2004 version with Revisited. I AM ASTOUNDED. The color correction is stunning and all the little new additions to scenes make me giddy with anticipation. ADYWAN IS A GOD!
I find your lack of pants disturbing.
This is just a suggestion, could very well be the worst one here, but do you think Luke's rescue from Cloud City would have been better if he "didn't" call out to Leia for help? I can't help myself but think that without his dialogue it would have made her a more self-sufficient character rather than the girl who the guys always latch on to. Cause the way I see it, her character hardly does anything in the movie. I think that if the force is with her and that she shares a bond with Luke, than sensing his distress wouldn't be so much different from Luke sensing Han and Leia's distress on Cloud City from earlier. Now granted that was like days before, but Sidious sensed that Lord Vader was in danger in Episode III during his duel with Obi-Wan (I can't believe I referenced that).
Again, just my idea. If Luke didn't call out for help after getting nothing from Ben, it'd sort of show how hopeless the situation was for him. And for Leia to sense his danger would be like a foreshadowing moment of her ability to use the force rather than just having her be the receiving end of a one way cell phone call.
- Jeyl
vadershmader said:Sorry if this has been asked already but when can we expect a DVD release for this?
Always in motion is the future. Ady doesn't have a deadline yet. I can't blame him for that as he has had to go 'back to the drawing board' more than a few times with this project.
He'll let us know when he is good and ready.
Jeyl said:This is just a suggestion, could very well be the worst one here, but do you think Luke's rescue from Cloud City would have been better if he "didn't" call out to Leia for help? I can't help myself but think that without his dialogue it would have made her a more self-sufficient character rather than the girl who the guys always latch on to. Cause the way I see it, her character hardly does anything in the movie. I think that if the force is with her and that she shares a bond with Luke, than sensing his distress wouldn't be so much different from Luke sensing Han and Leia's distress on Cloud City from earlier. Now granted that was like days before, but Sidious sensed that Lord Vader was in danger in Episode III during his duel with Obi-Wan (I can't believe I referenced that).
Again, just my idea. If Luke didn't call out for help after getting nothing from Ben, it'd sort of show how hopeless the situation was for him. And for Leia to sense his danger would be like a foreshadowing moment of her ability to use the force rather than just having her be the receiving end of a one way cell phone call.
- Jeyl
But she doesn't use the Force anywhere in ROTJ, so what's the point of worrying about changing this? Changing it sounds like more "Lucasizing" of the OT - doing it because it CAN be done, not because it SHOULD be done - whereas Ady's intent has always been technical repairs and improvements first, narrative changes second (if at all).
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Sluggo said:he has had to go 'back to the drawing board' more than a few times with this project.
And this project has been a breeze compared to ANH:R, right, Ady? :p You read through that thread and it's amazing to see some of the things that happened. You annouce a project like that and all kinds of weirdos come out of the woodwork.
I'm perfectly fine with standard definition also Ady. Should render alot faster with your dual core!
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SD is fine with me, too.
I find your lack of pants disturbing.
Ziz said: But she doesn't use the Force anywhere in ROTJ, so what's the point of worrying about changing this? Changing it sounds like more "Lucasizing" of the OT - doing it because it CAN be done, not because it SHOULD be done - whereas Ady's intent has always been technical repairs and improvements first, narrative changes second (if at all).
I think you're taking this a little bit too rashly and not seeing the point I'm trying to make. Both Padme and Leia always get weaker and weaker in character as the movies progress. And even though I did say it was a poor suggestion, think about it for a bit. You use RotJ as a counter argument. I say screw that movie. Even though it's part of the original trilogy, I loath the direction it took. If anywhere in the Star Wars series needed to take the story down a different path, it would be after The Empire Strikes Back. So when I look at the possibilities that could have been done on Empire Strikes Back, I think back to Yoda's line "There is another". That 'another' from my point of view was always Leia. And I figured that after he says that line, and we get a little hint of what she might be capable of, that kind of brings those two moments together but not in a completely 100% way. It just opens the door to the possibility.
And I honestly won't care if the lines don't get deleted. Even though Adywan says this is not a preservation project, he sure as heck is doing a lot of preserving in areas that are aren't related to just visual and sound effects. He preserves the original pacing, character interactions and over all flow that the special edition versions now lack. So who am I to really get upset if he doesn't remove the lines when they were there in the first place? Either way, I'm happy. But if I was in that editing room when this film was getting completed, I would have suggested it.
Jeyl said:Now granted that was like days before, but Sidious sensed that Lord Vader was in danger in Episode III during his duel with Obi-Wan (I can't believe I referenced that).
Ya and if he'd have hurried his ass up I'd be okay wouldn't I......
teharri said:I have been trying to rip that scene from the DVD and it turns out it is much more difficult than I originally anticipated. Too bad about the HD, will this in any way speed up the process since it is no longer HD or will it be about the same amount of time.
When I ripped that last night (here's the link again in case it was missed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etaA9xWsjbU ) I used DVD Shrink to grab it off the DVD and then Nero Vision to convert it for youtubing. MPEG Streamclip is a handy free converter tool also. Although I didn't grab the Falcon from the Special Features disc that you mentioned (but now that I think of it, that could be used If Adywan needs some good Falcon-maneuvering elements)
By the way, I agree that standard def is just fine. With my Revisited DVD's on my shelf, Lucasfilm will still have to work pretty hard to get me to buy the official Bluray discs when they finally do come out.
Anyone else think this coulda made a pretty cool menu?
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