Not all star wars stories written after 1983 need to suck.
The Fall and Redemption of Ulic Quel Droma does not, and neither does Revans story in Kotor.
The 2 Darth Bane books are also pretty good.
The Zahn Trilogy is also awesome.
Seems that for a story not to suck it needs to be written by someone other than George Lucas.
Too bad the Legacy novels actually borrow the self same bad ideas as Lucas prequels.
Whenever i go to the bookstore these days i ovoid Del Rey's Lucasbooks line like the black plague.
Lucas ruining of the movies actually had a trickle down effect to even destroying the EU, a place where some fans found solace after the lackluster prequels.
Despite how well written and reviewed they are the future series comics featuring a Cade Skywalker i could care less about, since Del Rey already ruined the classic characters by making them act not like themselves.
Seriously How could you wreck the character of Luke and kill off Mara, the people running the show must be monkeys.
They effectively made her a useless character and a ball and chain to Luke where people were just begging for her to be bumped off.
That is not Zahn's character headstrong and resourceful were her traits.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
Did you guys know Robert Clampett wanted to make an animated John Carter back in the 30's? The test animation was included in the huge supplemental section on the Beany and Cecil DVD.
It's amazing stuff when you consider animation wasn't usually thought of as a medium for serious storytelling at the time.
Where were you in '77?
OKAY, I WENT TO THE PREMIER, AND I MUST SAY THAT IT WASN'T AS BAD AS I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE.
*SPOILER ALERT*
I HATE THAT THERE WAS THIS HORRIBLE NARRATION AT THE BEGINNING INSTEAD OF AN ACTUAL CRAWL. SOME OF THE DIALOGUE WAS HORRENDOUS. THE FACT THAT SAMUEL L. JACKSON, ANTHONY DANIELS, AND CHRISTOPHER LEE REPRISED THEIR ROLES ADDED A POSITIVE TO THE MOVIE.
"I'VE GROWN TIRED OF ASKING, SO THIS WILL BE THE LAST TIME..."
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Well I took my son to the first showing today and he had a total blast.Was so cool seeing him sitting there making saber and blaster motions and sounds so I enjoyed myself too.
As for the film.Wasn't bad-quite enjoyable.You go in expecting ANH you'll be horribly upset.You go in expecting the worst movie ever you'll be pleasantly surprised.Great action of course and some good dialog here and there.Nice to see Christopher Lee getting more time as Dooku.Was a good experience overall as my son is just nuts tonight!
Price of admission:£7.80 2 matinee tickets
Popcorn and drinks:£6.00
McDonalds Clone Wars happy meal:£2.09
Taking my son to Star Wars in the cinema:Priceless.
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I sure hope my son will grow up to like Star Wars. Right now he's just about 5 months old. Too young to take him to the theater, but hopefully one of these days they will release another Star Wars film in the theater, whether animated, 3D, or the re-release the saga. I just would love to be able to share with him seeing Star Wars in the theater.
Thanks for your story.
I'm happy for you bigdaddyvader.
Funnily enough, my son has already taken a liking to Star Wars. The first time he saw it he was only a few days old :P Most recently, he was my Interactive R2-D2 and wanted to play with it (he's never seen it on). So I pulled it out and turned it on and he was just amazed. He's also taken quite a liking to my Han/Chewie Millenium Falcon transformer. Even at Christmas he picked up a lightsaber and started swinging it around without any prompting. Must be in the genes :P
We'll see if he likes the Clone Wars movie or not.
hey, i'm excited about the movie and the Series! the one mistake is putting in a padawan fro anikan. the previews with the two of them r real kiddy. the battle scenes look also tho. AND ASSJAJ VENTRESS! YES!
hey i'm excited about the new movie. Putting in a padawan for anikan was dumb though. the scenes i've seen them in on the previews look really kiddy. But the battle scenes look awsome and they've got ASSAJ VENTRESS!!!
Thanks LJ.I have had him hooked for some time now.Introduced him to my classic edition OOT discs but for him to see Star Wars on the big screen was a real treat for him.He was bouncing around this morning like it was Christmas!Really takes you back-that raw,unfettered excitement and enthusiasm for Star Wars that age and experience wear from you after a while.Fantastic day out.
There was one scene that stands out for me that I really loved when Obi-Wan lets himself be captured by the separatists and sits and has a very civilised cup of tea with the opposing general.Very funny.
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I am very suprised as my nephews are huge SW fans (or so I thought) and have not even mentioned to me about seeing this movie. They were dying to see Indy IV, so I took them to see, cause I am a good uncle! But not a mention about this movie, as they saw a commercial, but they may have moved on from SW, as I am starting to see the difference in this generation and our generation, we were much more loyal to Lucas then the new generation is. To me, SW was everything as a kid, it defined my childhood, to them it was something cool they were into, just like Pirates of the Caribbean, Spiderman, Transformers, etc. As Ben Kenobi says in ANH, "move along."
I have to say guys as a SW fan, this is a dark day for me, as this will be the first time in my life that I am going to take a pass from anything Lucas puts out in a GFFA. As I stated in an earlier post, I was there in '77 as a kid, there in 80, there in 83, hell I even saw the damn Holiday Special over my aunts house in '78! Was there for the SE in '97, the PT in 99, 02, 05, and bought every DVD & VHS since their inception. I saw the trailer on TV the other night, and there is no way a person over the age of 12 can enjoy this. Sorry George, we had a great run together.
I share he same opinion as some of you daddy's out there. Just looking forward to taking my son to watch Star Wars at the cinema...The same cinema I spent half my childhood in, watching Star Wars, Indiana Jones, ET....The good ol' days.
Can't wait...Just hope he won't get bored. He's only 3 1/2. He kinda likes SW...Especially the 'robot dinosaurs' and light saber duels, but just can't sit through a whole film.
This being a cartoon may be just what he needs to start his SW fascination. Then, maybe, I will let him have all my old figures and vehicles....Still not sure about that one!
I've been trying to brainwash him ever since he was in his mothers womb. Poor little sod.
CO said:I am very suprised as my nephews are huge SW fans (or so I thought) and have not even mentioned to me about seeing this movie. They were dying to see Indy IV, so I took them to see, cause I am a good uncle! But not a mention about this movie, as they saw a commercial, but they may have moved on from SW, as I am starting to see the difference in this generation and our generation, we were much more loyal to Lucas then the new generation is. To me, SW was everything as a kid, it defined my childhood, to them it was something cool they were into, just like Pirates of the Caribbean, Spiderman, Transformers, etc. As Ben Kenobi says in ANH, "move along."
I have to say guys as a SW fan, this is a dark day for me, as this will be the first time in my life that I am going to take a pass from anything Lucas puts out in a GFFA. As I stated in an earlier post, I was there in '77 as a kid, there in 80, there in 83, hell I even saw the damn Holiday Special over my aunts house in '78! Was there for the SE in '97, the PT in 99, 02, 05, and bought every DVD & VHS since their inception. I saw the trailer on TV the other night, and there is no way a person over the age of 12 can enjoy this. Sorry George, we had a great run together.
Like you, I'm 39 years old and have seen every movie in the theater.
Unlike you, I saw the movie last weekend at a press screening. And I enjoyed it and will go again soon.
sunday256 said:
Like you, I'm 39 years old and have seen every movie in the theater.
Unlike you, I saw the movie last weekend at a press screening. And I enjoyed it and will go again soon.
Sunday256, this movie is getting a 29% ratings on www.rottentomatoes.com. Now I don't say movie reviews are be all end all, but geez 29%? That means 7 out of 10 reviews out of all the critics are negative! I remember the TPM & AOTC got around 60% and ROTS was in the 80's.
As for the movie, I don't want you to take offense, why would anyone our age want to see a cartoon? Like I said before, this is targeted for kids, and I have no qualms that kids enjoy this, as I think that is great many of you guys can take your kids.
But as a 35 year old guy, why would I want to see some cheesy SW knockoff cartoon that isn't even made for us anymore? I mean my nephews love Spongebob, but that doesn't mean I like it. I really just don't get it, but to each his own.
CO said:sunday256 said:
Like you, I'm 39 years old and have seen every movie in the theater.
Unlike you, I saw the movie last weekend at a press screening. And I enjoyed it and will go again soon.
Sunday256, this movie is getting a 29% ratings on www.rottentomatoes.com. Now I don't say movie reviews are be all end all, but geez 29%? That means 7 out of 10 reviews out of all the critics are negative! I remember the TPM & AOTC got around 60% and ROTS was in the 80's.
As for the movie, I don't want you to take offense, why would anyone our age want to see a cartoon? Like I said before, this is targeted for kids, and I have no qualms that kids enjoy this, as I think that is great many of you guys can take your kids.
But as a 35 year old guy, why would I want to see some cheesy SW knockoff cartoon that isn't even made for us anymore? I mean my nephews love Spongebob, but that doesn't mean I like it. I really just don't get it, but to each his own.
A lot of those reviews are by disenfranchised fan boys. Media doesn't always enforce objective reviews these days. If they did, you wouldn't see the kind of reviews being posted on the net right now.
There are a lot of adults out there enjoying the film, and yes a lot not enjoying it also. I love cartoons. I enjoyed them growing up and I enjoy them today. Do I watch every one of them? no, but if the right subject comes along like Star Wars...I'll watch it. Dragon Lance was another that I recently watched.
But you are right, to each their own. But just because the reviews are negative doesn't mean a whole heck of a lot. It never has. Every person who walks into a movie theater has a different experience as you already know.
sunday256 said:A lot of those reviews are by disenfranchised fan boys. Media doesn't always enforce objective reviews these days. If they did, you wouldn't see the kind of reviews being posted on the net right now.
Sunday256, if you click a link on that page to 'top' critics, which is more of the major newspapers around the country, rather then 'fanboys', the Clone Wars so far gets 20 negatives, and 1 positive! These are critics from Wall Street Journal, Boston Globe, Chicago Tribune, not from those goofy websites that slander any movie that comes out.
Now as I said, I always take these reviewers with a grain of salt, but when you have almost everyone out there blasting this movie, you have to say to yourself, where there is smoke there is fire. As I said, the PT movies got from 65% to 85%, so that would be average to above average, which means some people will like it and some people won't, right now this is getting an F.
I DIDN'T TAKE EITHER ONE OF MY CHILDREN WITH ME TO THE PREMIER AS IT WAS AT MIDNIGHT. I'VE TAKEN MY 10 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER TO ALL OF THE PREQUELS, BUT MY 5 YEAR OLD SUN HAS YET TO EXPERIENCE A STAR WARS MOVIE IN A THEATER. I'LL HAVE TO TAKE BOTH OF TO CLONE WARS SOON.
"I'VE GROWN TIRED OF ASKING, SO THIS WILL BE THE LAST TIME..."
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i went and saw it by myself, just came back...
and i did enjoy it,
i didn't expect a lot either, but it wasn't terrible...
it was cool seeing there were a lot of nods to fans of ANH (you'll know
the references when you see them)..
there was a lot of action / killing / violence, (and not just robots), so
if you think thats for kids, well good for you !!!! (sheesh)
don't take this movie too seriously, but there were a ton of classic moments
in there that all star wars fans can enjoy..
i'm still on my streak of seeing every 'star wars' movie in the theater (ok, i didn't
see ANH on opening day)....but ever since 77, its been awhile......
and for all you of sitting at home passing over this, just wait until it comes out
on TV, and watch it then......that way, your neighbors and friends won't know
about it (ha ha!!)...................
good job Lucas, keep it coming.......can't wait for the series to start..
later
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'may the force be with you'
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Well I just got in from viewing the movie 3 times in a row and I can say this movie is great. All you haters of the PT will hate this movie just because you hate the PT. If you could just get it out of your head how your PT would have been and how George did the PT his way you just might like it.
As for no crawl and such it works. The sound track it fresh and new. Remember this is basically a pilot for the TV show that starting in October. The movie is not just geared to kids. I seen the OT in theaters back in 77 and I liked this movie. As for the movie reviewer they are all closed minded to the new stuff GL puts out cause it not their holy trilogy.
Take this movie with a grain of salt you might be surprised. It was an hour and 40 minutes of good ole star wars fun.
PreludeRM said:All you haters of the PT will hate this movie just because you hate the PT. If you could just get it out of your head how your PT would have been and how George did the PT his way you just might like it.
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I always find it ironic when someones makes a dumb statement like this. Can I ask you a simple question, are you saying that anyone who tunes into the PT and saw the OT, HAS to like it?
I don't know if you remember a movie called Empire Strikes Back in 1980? Well it was a sequel to Star Wars from 1977, and was nothing as to what everyone was expecting or envisioning for a sequel. No one expected a more dark turn from the original, no one expected the good guys lose, no one expected an ending that pretty much says to be continued, and no expected Luke & Darth Vader to related. But for some reason fans like me seemed to embrace that movie, yet it was nothing what we thought the sequel could be?
Hmmm, I am starting to wonder about this place, cause that was a talking point back from the TFN days. "It's your fault you don't like the PT!" I guess it was my fault for not liking Godfather III, or Superman IV, or Jaws 3, or Alien Resurrection.
Thanks Dr. Freud for analyzing why I don't like a movie.
CO said:Sunday256, this movie is getting a 29% ratings on www.rottentomatoes.com. Now I don't say movie reviews are be all end all, but geez 29%? That means 7 out of 10 reviews out of all the critics are negative! I remember the TPM & AOTC got around 60% and ROTS was in the 80's.
As for the movie, I don't want you to take offense, why would anyone our age want to see a cartoon? Like I said before, this is targeted for kids, and I have no qualms that kids enjoy this, as I think that is great many of you guys can take your kids.
But as a 35 year old guy, why would I want to see some cheesy SW knockoff cartoon that isn't even made for us anymore? I mean my nephews love Spongebob, but that doesn't mean I like it. I really just don't get it, but to each his own.
CO, it's now at 19%!!!!!! The top critics (Roger Ebert, et al) give it 5%!!!!!!
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/clone_wars/?critic=creamcrop
It's easy to forget Star Wars was not universally beloved back in 1977. There were some critics who dismissed it as "junk food", and others took it to task for being too violent for little kids.
All I could do was wonder what the heck movie they saw. ;)
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It's an urban legend that Star Wars '77 didn't get good reviews- it got great reviews. The late Joel Siegel even debunked that myth when he reviewed TPM on Good Morning America in '99.
TIME Magazine's original review which called it "The Year's Best Movie" can be found here (along with many other reviews): http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars/
There may have been a cynical review here and there (as with any film), but nothing like this: There are 21 reviews for Clone Wars by the press' top reviewers, and a total of ONE is positive.
From what I know, only Siskel and Ebert gave ANH a bad review. They gave ESB glowing reviews when it came out. Of course, since the OOT was such a huge success, they'll say how they're great movies now though. I don't know how they rated the PT.
Ebert said Star Wars was one of the best films he had ever seen when it came out in 1977.
Unfortunately, I think a lot of people will be feeling this way now:
