shimy said:Your beleifs span from some fundemental values(i am not saying those values are wrong but... i donno if they are the best kind to have living in our world today), and i have little or no hope of changing your even persuading you of another veiwpoint especially on an internet forum. The only thing that will do that is if you have a real experience and go and see stuff for yourself.
What makes you think some of us have not had "real experience" and seen stuff for ourselves? I know this was directed at lj, but seriously, you guys sometimes seem to take such a high ground, assuming what you know is right because your experiences have told you it was. Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems like from your eyes somebody could only be a right winger is if they simply were not enlightened and didn't know any better. Comments like "I am not saying those values are wrong but... I don't know if they are the best kind to have living in our world today" seem to indicate this. What is that even suppose to mean? If someone doesn't think like you, then perhaps, being non-conformist as they are, the world would be a better place without them.
Shimy, one of your problems is the fact that you said you are giving up having this conversation because you know you are not going to persaude lj into changing his viewpoint to your viewpoint. If lj would be so easily persuaded, then you wouldn't have much of a viewpoint would he? You should not feel the need to change peoples viewpoints in life, it is futile. Everyones experiences and perseptions shape the way they are, that is why no two people think exactly the same, and that is a good thing. You really want to live in a world where everyone agrees with you? That would be a dangerous world. The whole point of discussing politics for me, and why I enjoy it so much, is because I enjoy hearing other peoples point of views, and I enjoy thought provoking discussion that prompts me to think about things outside of my walls of experience.