Lucas on Indy V

"Mutt Williams and the Search for Elvis or something"

Sounds like a great spin off film.

What sense?

Nobody will go see a cgi crapfest starring Shia.

Hopefully Harrison Has the common sense to turn this turd down.

Indiana IV already ruined the franchise, it is not like they cannot do worse.

After reading this i am convinced Lucas is a loon.

http://www.obsessedwithfilm.com/movie-news/george-lucas-on-indiana-jones-v.php

Mutt Williams and the search for George Lucas's soul, That he sold to the devil to make the prequels.

Now that i would pay to see.

Or alternate Title. George Lucas and the Search for more Fanboy money, we make our crap for the tfn crowd.

I HONESTLY HAVE NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT THERE WILL BE ANOTHER INDY MOVIE.  WHY WOULDN'T THEY MAKE ANOTHER ONE AFTER SEEIN HOW MUCH MONEY THEY MADE FROM THIS LAST ONE?

skyjedi2005 said:

What sense?

Nobody will go see a cgi crapfest starring Shia.

Hopefully Harrison Has the common sense to turn this turd down.

Indiana IV already ruined the franchise, it is not like they cannot do worse.

 temple of doom, and the last crusade killed off the 'indiana jones' series

a long time ago... the young indiana jones tv series saved..

and indiana IV was still better than TOD and TLC...

later

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Lucas quotes on Indy V:

“If I can come up with another idea that they like, we’ll do another. Really, with the last one, Steven wasn’t that enthusiastic. I was trying to persuade him. But now Steve is more amenable to doing another one. Yet we still have the issues about the direction we’d like to take. I’m in the future; Steven’s in the past. He’s trying to drag it back to the way they were, I’m trying to push it to a whole different place. So, still we have a sort of tension. This recent one came out of that. It’s kind of a hybrid of our own two ideas, so we’ll see where we are able to take the next one.”

"Indiana Jones only becomes complicated when you have another two people saying ‘I want it this way’ and ‘I want it that way’, whereas, when I first did Jones, I just said, ‘We’ll do it this way’ — and that was much easier. But now I have to accommodate everybody, because they are all big, successful guys, too, so it’s a little hard on a practical level."

focus on this part "I’m in the future; Steven’s in the past. He’s trying to drag it back to the way they were, I’m trying to push it to a whole different place"

Now think of those horrid cgi pieces and bad storytelling in IV and they are all Lucas because he is in the future, LOL.

If he had his way the whole thing would have been done in a computer and be absolute crap like episode 1-3.

I don't envy spielberg one little bit he had a backseat director the whole time on Indiana Jones IV. He tried steering the film closer to raiders and last crusade and lucas wanted a prequel-ized version of Indy.

He was not fortunate to have lucas muddy his film and ruin it.

Lucas should have directed it so he could take all the blame.

Nobody but lucas could have destroyed 2 beloved franchises in 9 years time. instead of killing two birds with one stone.

Star wars Trilogy 1977-1983 R.I.P.

Indiana Jones Trilogy 1982-1989 R.I.P.

Hey Sky - www.IHateGeorgeLucas.com is available.

You do know this is originaltrilogy.com and not tfn right?

If you don't like it you can always start specialeditions.com or prequels.com, but those i will never visit.

The mission statement of this site had always been to get the real trilogy restored, if you don't like it then you can in the words of the stormtrooper "move along".

I notice you did not bother to read the Lucas quotes i gave as evidence that he has lost it.

Keep drinking the cool aide and buying all his shit while he laughs and further buries the trilogy.

He is not getting a fucking dime from me ever.

I for one found Sky's Lucas quotes to be very amusing and educational. I too would have liked to have seen how a new Indy would have turned out if only Speilberg had been involved.

skyjedi2005 said:

You do know this is originaltrilogy.com and not tfn right?

So just because we don't kiss your ass and jump on your bandwagon, we're traitors?

Fuck you.

If you don't like it you can always start specialeditions.com or prequels.com, but those i will never visit.

There's an idea.  At least it will be a way to avoid you.

The mission statement of this site had always been to get the real trilogy restored, if you don't like it then you can in the words of the stormtrooper "move along".

"Move along."  Good advice.  You should practice what you preach.

I notice you did not bother to read the Lucas quotes i gave as evidence that he has lost it.

How do you know I didn't read them?

Keep drinking the cool aide and buying all his shit while he laughs and further buries the trilogy.

There is plenty of Star Wars "shit" I don't buy, simply because I have a life and need to pay for other things...you know...food, clothing, shelter...unimportant shit like that.

He is not getting a fucking dime from me ever.

I'm sure Lucas is just shitting a brick that your specific lack of contributions to his finances will be putting him in the poorhouse any minute now.

All i can respond with is a big LOL!

Kissing asses and jumping on bandwagons is what i'm talking about not doing in reference to the tfn crowd and George Lucas.

I don't need anyone to kiss my ass or play follow the leader. All i want is a decent transfer of 3 of my favorite movies in at least dvd anamorphic quality, and i don't think as a paying consumer it is too much to ask. Seeing as Speilberg, Scott, and Coppola have.

I too pay for food, rent and shelter and have to work what do you want a fucking cookie?

Now you really need to be able to logically seperate hating George Lucas the man, from the decisions he has made. I don't hate George. But what he had done to the oot is just gosh damn rediculous and pretty much unprecedented in the annals of filmdom. Aside from his greed and filmakers ego he seems to be a pretty decent human being warm and kind, and a good father to his kids.

You really have to admit he has been a douche to the fans who love the 1977-1983 versions of the saga.

If he had left it at ROTJ like he did in 1983 we would not have the ruination of a classic. I can remember before the special editions and prequels being glad to be a star wars fan because it was not a giant behemoth cash cow like star trek. I wish he would make those other little films and leave Indy and Star Wars alone enough already. Less is more.

Come on. What is the point in attacking Sky like this? He makes posts like this all the time. Plenty of people are guilty of making pointless posts. So what? If you do not care to read what he has to say, why not just not read his posts. We have an ignore button now? You can simply click the "ignore this user button" and all his posts just go away. Why waste your time fighting with him when he didn't even do anything to you? Honestly, are you just looking for a fight? This is unnecessary.

Now that I once again stepped into somebody else's fight, I will probably end up with another thread accusing me of jerking off to homosexual porn. Kind of shows the maturity level of this place. Disappointing.

I do not believe i have ever been on a bandwagon since i was a fan of star wars when being a fan was not in vogue or popular.

Lucas is solely responsible for creating devision amongst the fans, and generational groups.

If he had left the movies alone we would not have to waste breath debating over versions.

From 1977-1983 there were only 3 films and that was it you were either a fan or you were not.

I once admired Lucas but that was long ago, and i never gave him undue fan worship or godhood status. He had made some pretty good and entertaining films i found quite a diversion in my youth. whether THX 1138, American Graffiti, or Star Wars. Yes these films had their flaws but they were loved bespite those minor things. They did not need updating for modern audiences. Films are like a time capsule from the time in which they were made.

It would be utterly stupid to add new cgi effects to the wizard of OZ, or the old flash gordon serials. As dumb as adding 90s effects to a seventies movie.

Lucas may have said it himself once.

IF a film does not have likable characters or a good story then why bother?

"a Special effect without a story is a pretty boring thing"

The prequels had a weak story he chose to start with the meat of the story that was the middle trilogy and even he once admitted the other stuff was just backstory.

No amount of special effects whether good or bad will save a movie with wooden unlikable characters we cannot relate to. ILM's advances technically are breathtaking but they are no substitute for story.

Otherwise you have spent millions to billions on a mind numbing cgi wankfest only to be up in the running for technical awards at the oscars.

Lord of the Rings by Peter Jackson is guilty of the same cgi sins as the prequels but had likable characters you could relate to and a good story, which among many film fans i know makes them a modern trilogy comparible dare i say it the oot.

The story of Luke Skywalker was rooting for the underdog and the oppressed. the Story of a traditional hero not like today where villains and anti heroes are the heroes of films. Where a creepy youngling serial killer becomes the hero of the saga and dethrones the story of Luke. Where goth crap and dark for darkness sake have taken over cinemas. Where is the hero that kids need to root for in stories, the good fairy story every child needs i think lucas once said.

If you like the special editions and the prequels more power to you. I'm certainly not going to even try stopping you. I paid to see them in theaters each on opening day, and own the dvds. But pretty please cut the crap when you say they are comparable to the oot because lets face it folks that is utter nonsense. They would not have ever gotten made if not for the first trilogy which is the second chronologically.

Lucas should have moved the story forward and stuck to Luke's story. and not waited sixteen years until he was a totally different person causing a broken link in the trilogies.

The whole problem with the prequels is you already know pretty much who lives and who dies and what is going to happen there are little room for surprises. The whole success of the venture was hinging on showing anakin's transformation into vader and showing he was a good man and beneficent before that happened.

Lucas fucked up the turn making it instantaneous instead of the slow seduction hinted at in the oot. Instead of turning from a good man to a bad man you a get a whiny teenage emo spoiled brat you want to punch in the face.

Not only does that turn the vader in the suit into a total whiny bitch, but you also feel nothing for anakin except he got what he deserved. He could have been left to burn in the lava and not a soul would care based on the botched characterization of a classic villain.

The biggest problem for me anakin before the suit and after the suit zero character development.

You never get that he cares for another person (except padme and that only as an object aka selfish). You never see him make any sacrifices for the republic or fighting side by side his fellow common man in the war.

All you get is a selfish ego driven bastard you really wish obi wan put out of his misery on Mustafar.

You do feel bad for obi wan, kudos to Ewan for pulling that off. You do feel as though he loses a brother and a son. someone he loved. Except none of the emotional depth hinted at there was pulled off on screen. Not even in the novels. Completely forgotten.

Hayden Can pull off the angst and the brooding but he is not a terribly good actor. I saw him in Jumper literally one of the worst movies i have ever seen.

His performance there was not great, still not as bad and as wooden as the prequels.

Do i have any ill will towards the guy, none at all.

He is still young and can study and work hard to become a better actor as he grows older.

Maybe someday he will do an awesome movie and great acting and we will look back and remember when, he was in that prequel movie and was all wooden like a stand in for a cgi they would do later in post.  LOL.

I once was a lucas apologist, before the dark times. Before the gout. LOL

Johnboy3434 said:

Oh, and the folks on TF.N are not ass-kissers. They are simply pleased with what they have, and it's poor form to lambaste them for that. Or is it against your religion to be content?

That's a line right out of Go-Mer-Tonic's book. ;-)

THE FACT IS FOR THE MOST PART THIS ENTIRE SITE IS REPETITIVE,  THAT'S THE WAY IT IS.  IT'S BEEN LIKE THAT SINCE DAY ONE, AND I WOULD KNOW.  I WAS THERE.  STOP PISSING IN SKY'S KOOL-AIDE.  HE'S TELLING IT LIKE IT IS.  THIS WAS A COOL SITE BACK IN THE DAY BEFORE ALL THE LUCASS KISSERS FROM TF.N CAME OVER HERE.

PSYCHO_DAYV said:

THE FACT IS FOR THE MOST PART THIS ENTIRE SITE IS REPETITIVE,  THAT'S THE WAY IT IS.  IT'S BEEN LIKE THAT SINCE DAY ONE, AND I WOULD KNOW.  I WAS THERE.  STOP PISSING IN SKY'S KOOL-AIDE.  HE'S TELLING IT LIKE IT IS.  THIS WAS A COOL SITE BACK IN THE DAY BEFORE ALL THE LUCASS KISSERS FROM TF.N CAME OVER HERE.

Now there's a warm welcome if I've ever seen one.

That's what's suppose to make this place better than TFN.  You can love the PT or hate it and voice your opinion either way without being shouted down or told to "GTFO".

I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT THERE ARE A FEW COOL PEOPLE THAT CAME HERE FROM TF.N.  

OKAY, ENOUGH OF THAT.  LET'S GET BACK TO TOPIC.

I must admit when i saw the alien ship at the end of IV i almost felt going "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" LOL

"The space between the spaces" has to be the most inane and stupid piece of dialogue ever in the history of motion pictures.

I felt like saying George get the fuck outta here an alien ship, and this line wtf?

The prairie dogs were too much like caddyshack 2, but even worse for being cgi.

I know you love Tarzan George, i'm partial to the Works of E.R.B. myself, but did we really need shia cgi flying through the air with monkeys?

That is what i would ask him if i could.

That and why for fucks sake he had greedo shoot first.

I'll be the first to admit Revenge of the Sith and Indiana Jones IV were not awful films, they just were not great films.

They never lived up to the hype.

They had entertaining moments but the cringe worthy moments outnumbered those and brought me out of the movies more than a few times.

If George had done his job or hired competant writers faneditors around the world would not have to edit out those awfully scripted scenes to make the movies watchable again.

I am not a fan of fan edits either i am the last person in the world interested in that.

But you know something is funny when ADigitalMAN's revenge of the sith is better than George's cut.

You know hollywood is churning out pure shit when Indiana Jones IV is better than Mummy III and x files 2.

This film felt more like "Indiana Smith and the Little green men from Mars"  than it did Indiana Jones.

I just say mummy 2 on tv the other day and indy 4 just replaced the scarabs with Giant ants, total lack of imagination.  Another scene was right out of X-files and another right out of the first national treasure.

That is where Indiana Jones ended up ripping off the ripoffs.