Terminator Salvation

Every one who has seen The Dark Knight in the US has seen the trailer for the new Terminator movie. What do you all think?

I am excited about it just based on the fact that it is staring Christian Bale (who looks a lot more like a grown up Eddie Furlong than the guy that played in T-3 did) and that it is set during the future war against the machines.

This is exactly what I would have liked T-3 to have been (I hate T-3 with a passion). My ideal T-3 would have skipped ahead to the grown up John Connor and ended with him sending Kyle Reese into the past to defend his mother. It could have been a cool way to tie up the trilogy, making it come full circle, ending right where it began. From any information I have read about T-4, it doesn't sound like it will be anything like this though.

I doubt Terminator Salvation will be on par with the first two, but I am still much more excited about this than I was with T-3 after seeing the trailer.  

Well, I loved T3 and I'm really looking forward to this one. I guess the trailer they showed in cinemas isn't the teaser that's on the site (which hardly shows anything).

i can't even begin to imagine how much lower this series will go...

every single movie that followed the first one, has gotten progressively worse (yes, t2 was much nowhere near as good as the first one)..

and on top of that : mcG, is directing..

after the terrible tv series, and now this movie?

they should just quit while they're ahead, but since they're going

ahead, this will be just another movie, that should be straight to - DVD,

just like the aliens vs predator series killed off that series also..

and what does arnold have to say about it?

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Schwarzenegger underwhelmed by early 'Terminator Salvation' footage

"I still don't know how it will play out with this one," said the star-turned-politician, who said he was given a private screening of early footage from "Terminator Salvation" by producers of the franchise reboot directed by McG. "They showed me some footage, but I don't have a feel for the movie. I didn't see enough. I wasn't sure who the Terminator was. I don't know if there is one or if he's the star or the hero. These are the things that determine the success and how the strong the movie will be."

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link : http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocomplex/2008/08/schwarzenegger.html

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negative1 said:

every single movie that followed the first one, has gotten progressively worse (yes, t2 was much nowhere near as good as the first one)..

 I thought the second one was awesome. The third one was a pile of crap (words cannot truely express how very much I truely hate that movie). And I actually enjoyed the TV show, don't get me wrong, it was FAR from perfect, I would never spend any money on the DVDs or anything. But as long as I can DVR it and skip commercials, I enjoy watching it. I consider it Terminator EU.

C3PX said:

negative1 said:

every single movie that followed the first one, has gotten progressively worse (yes, t2 was much nowhere near as good as the first one)..

 

 I thought the second one was awesome. The third one was a pile of crap (words cannot truely express how very much I truely hate that movie). And I actually enjoyed the TV show, don't get me wrong, it was FAR from perfect, I would never spend any money on the DVDs or anything. But as long as I can DVR it and skip commercials, I enjoy watching it. I consider it Terminator EU.

the terminator, is a classic, that has stood the test of time, storywise, intensity wise,

and just all around cool..

james cameron messed up t2, by making him less violent, less scary, confusing the whole storyline needlessly, and just basically having a corny, sappy ending.........

the only good thing about t2 was the special effects................you can tell a movies had

problems, when the re-release it about 10 different times, with different versions (*AHEM*)

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negative1 said:

the only good thing about t2 was the special effects................you can tell a movies had

problems, when the re-release it about 10 different times, with different versions (*AHEM*)

Interesting line of reasoning. Seems like it is usually the better movies that suffer from constant rereleases. Like E.T., Blade Runner, Star Wars, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Monty Python and the Holy Grail, etc.

While Terminator has been rereleased a million times, I am pretty sure there are only actually three different versions of the film, the theatrical, the special edition, and a third version which is just the special edition with the alternative ending tagged on that was made as an easter egg for one of the releases.

@Ringo, yeah I am pretty sure that this is still intended to be the first of a new series of films. But I am sure a lot of that will have to do with how well this does. I am not to worried about them messing anything up by making too many movies at this point (T-3 already did that), this is not like the SW prequels where take place ahead of time and change everything about the old movies. In this case they are all sequels, (especially with the, "this is not the future my mother warned me about" thing) and you can just cut them off when you stop liking them.

Yeah, from what I have read it does consider T-3 canon. Wouldn't make sense if it didn't. John's wife (girl from third movie) is portrayed by Bryce Howard in this new film.

"Canon" in time-travel stories is a relative term anyway.  Eventually, the "bad" parts will be erased.  ;-)

ChainsawAsh said:

Apparently, T1 and T2 are 100% canon with "Salvation," but T3's events, while they happened, won't be followed as strictly (i.e. some elements may be retconned or just not mentioned).

Sounds like what they did with the Jaws movies. Jaws 1 & 2 had been cannon, and the only thing carried over from Jaws 3 to Jaws 4 was that Michael Brody was studying ocean sciences.

ChainsawAsh said:

Apparently, T1 and T2 are 100% canon with "Salvation," but T3's events, while they happened, won't be followed as strictly (i.e. some elements may be retconned or just not mentioned).

 Nice. I like how film makers have reached this point of no shame, where they can admit a movie was pure crap and simply wait a few years and remake it again, like the other Hulk movie and T-3. I suppose that is why they are calling this Terminator Salvation instead of Terminator 4, so we can put it on our DVD/Blu-ray shelves displayed right next to the first two without skipping a number.

Lan Hikari said:

I am not looking forward to this at all. The series ended for me after T2 with no need for further sequels and as far as I am conerned the first two are all that matter. T3 was uneccessary rubbish and the new tv series is in the same category for me. I'm avoiding this and any future Terminator films entirely. This is just my opinion and I respect everyone else's entirely.

just curious, why do you think the second was even necessary?

basically it screwed up a lot of the continuity, subtleties, and plot points

from the first one, and destroyed what the image of the 'terminator' was

down to a wimpy robot that protected john...... no, that one for me wasn't

needed either..

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Yeah, the two clashing philosophies of T-2 and T-3 where painful. T-3 basically made the majority of T-2 pointless.

As for T-2 being unnecessary, I agree with CO, no sequel ever is really necessary, unless the first one was made with the intention of of a sequel and a cliff hanger ending (i.e. Lord of the Rings trilogy, Back to the Future 2 & 3, Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi). But personally, I think T-2 makes T-1 a stonger movie. It adds more depth to it too me. I liked T1, but after T2 I promoted them both to "favorite movie" status, some thing I do not think I would have ever done with T1 alone. It was such a great follow up to te first movie. After something like the events of T1 happen in your life, how do you go back to a normal life? What do you do with yourself? How do you raise your kid? I think T2 does a great job at showing how Sarah went about these things, and how she nearly failed at them. What if your mom was this crazy nut job who through your whole like taught you about this inevitable coming war against the machines, and trained you how to be a soldier from the time you took your first steps?

These plot points are to good not to follow up on and make a story about. I also thought the tone of "the future being unwritten" was a great way to end the story.

new international trailer:

http://www.latinoreview.com/news/terminator-salvation-int-l-trailer-5832

oh oh.. looks like transformers meets battlestar galactica (new),

not very promising..

but you never know!!!

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Thanks for posting that -1. I am still looking forward to it. I always felt T3 should have taken place during Judgment Day or during the future war, so I am thrilled this one does take place then, and I am very happy it is not called Terminator 4, means if it is any good, it should fit on the shelf nicely in place of T3 (which I absolutely loathe). Sounds like they are coming up with some complicated plot, and intend to spawn it into a whole new trilogy, which is an idea I am not too impressed with. I'd rather have a stand alone film about John and the resistance. But we will see. Christian Bale playing John Connor ought to be absolutely awesome, but H-wood tends to mess up just about everything these days.

Judging by the comments under the video -1 posted, it seems hating this preemtively is kind of the "in" thing to do.

Looks alot better then T-3.  I'll go see it for $9

I see Bale is doing his gruff Batman voice again!!

The more rustic looking skull design as seen on much of the media ("posters, book cover, etc.) is interesting. I wonder what promted them to change it from the sleek chrome we are used to. To me the chrome is much more menacing.