What's up with all the right-wingers on this site? — Page 2

Republican or Democrat....it doesn't really matter....BOTH parties are corrupt and morally bankrupt.

Octorox said:

I honestly think politics ought not to be discussed on a board like this....A lot of boards limit discussion of politics, even in off-topic sections.

Yeah, well that is one thing that puts these boards a cut above the rest. Maybe that is another reason why so many of us here could be categorized as "right-wingers, because our stance for low level government control bleeds over into our forum visiting preferences. If you notice, the moderators around here take a hands off approach to governing this site (i.e. no silly rules such as "no political discussion", as it seems, according to Octorox, many other boards do. The moderators spring into action only when necessary.

I don't see the problem with discussing politics on a board like this, I never feel any differently towards fellow board members who have expressed different political view points from myself, that would be rather silly.

Also, I honestly do not believe that there are really an exceptionally larger number of right leaning board members as opposed to left leaning. There have been a relatively small number of members who hang out in the politics thread, mostly the same small group of us. The majority of that group may seem to lean to the right, but that says nothing about all those members who do not participate in political discussions.

I like forums with strong political discussions. Even though my willingness to engage in them is seemingly random, I'll still enjoy reading them most of the time. If people don't want to read this stuff then they don't really have to.

I find the way you started this thread to be offensive, Janskreet. You think that you're entitled to have your personal viewpoint fought for wherever you go? Sometimes you have to fight for stuff yourself. The range of political types on this board is large (among party types I'd say 50/50 Republican-ish/Democrat-ish), but, just as studies have shown, there's only a degree that the Democrat-ish side of the U.S. population tends to care about looking at issues in detail or arguing them well (or with persistence for that matter). Don’t blame “right-wingers” for that problem.

To finish, do you think you own terms like communist or socialist? From everything I can tell, you are clearly a socialist, Janskreet; you clearly fight for what I understand to be socialist values. So, how is that term not legitimate?

Tiptup said:

Just as studies have shown, there's only a degree that the Democrat-ish side of the U.S. population tends to care about looking at issues in detail or arguing them well (or with persistence for that matter).

Ahhh yes, these studies were no doubt conducted by the Limbaugh Institute.

Jay said:

It never ceases to amaze me how much people will bitch and complain about something that costs them nothing to use and in which their participation is entirely optional.

Don't let these bitches get you down Jay.  Most of them are just here to twist pickles.  You're far to sexy to trouble yourself with these fags.

Rob said:

 

Ahhh yes, these studies were no doubt conducted by the Limbaugh Institute.

Thats the best institute around :p

Jay said:

 

It never ceases to amaze me how much people will bitch and complain about something that costs them nothing to use and in which their participation is entirely optional.

No kidding.

IMHO this place is perfect, the policies on alot of things, especially the off topic, couldn't be better, and there is really nothing that needs changing.

I would bet most of the people here are not strongly right-wing nor left-wing.  I would think most just choose not to enter into political debate, knowing that most of those who associate themselves strongly with either the left or the right already have their mind completely made up, regardless of the facts.  Debate, for most of them, is only an opportunity to spout their side's talking points, and often an excuse to shamelessly insult the other side.

The truth is neither side is 100% right.  If you don't believe that then you're really only listening to one side of the media, your parents, or your religion.  Those who truly listen to both side realize they both have some good points.

vbangle said:

Republican or Democrat....it doesn't really matter....BOTH parties are corrupt and morally bankrupt.

 

 

Agreed!  Why should I have to go along with higher taxes and bigger government if I'm against stupid wars?  And why should I have to go along with phone tapping if I'm for gun rights???  Why should we have to deal with corporate welfare regardless of which viable party I choose?  Lets vote them all out of office.

Taolar said:

Why should we have to deal with corporate welfare regardless of which viable party I choose?

That is a crime. The Democrats claim to look out for the little guy and Republicans claim to support the free market and yet they both engage in this. When it comes down to it, politicians like power and spending money, no matter the party. It's disgusting. The only thing more corrupt in my mind would be all the earmark spending and the way the parties use hot-button issues to mobilize their extremist factions while never doing anything real about those issues.

Rob said:

Tiptup said:

Just as studies have shown, there's only a degree that the Democrat-ish side of the U.S. population tends to care about looking at issues in detail or arguing them well (or with persistence for that matter).

 

Ahhh yes, these studies were no doubt conducted by the Limbaugh Institute.

Sorry, no, these studies were done by media analysts. Your average american of the conservative persuasion is much more interested in the details of issues and the news than the other side for whatever reason. I'm convinced that's why Fox News made so much money and why the other news networks tried to have programming that would attract conservatives (at least for a while).

Janskeet said:

I thought you guys were smart? I go into the politics thread and I see all this republican biased talk and people labeling Democrats as socialists/communists?

I was thinking the exact opposite-  there seem to be a lot of conservatives here, so it follows that there must be a lot of smart people here! (which I already knew, of course. Star Wars fans are naturally smart).

;-)

For the record, I'm as disappointed about what's happened to the Republican party as anyone. I'm voting for John McCain, but he was not my #1 choice for nominee.

Tiptup said:

"Sorry, no, these studies were done by media analysts. Your average american of the conservative persuasion is much more interested in the details of issues and the news than the other side for whatever reason. I'm convinced that's why Fox News made so much money and why the other news networks tried to have programming that would attract conservatives (at least for a while)."

Yup, that's why conservative talk-radio is so successful, and liberal talk-radio is failing miserably.

Mielr said:

Janskeet said:

I thought you guys were smart? I go into the politics thread and I see all this republican biased talk and people labeling Democrats as socialists/communists?

 

I was thinking the exact opposite-  there seem to be a lot of conservatives here, so it follows that there must be a lot of smart people here! (which I already knew, of course. Star Wars fans are naturally smart).

;-)

 

For the record, I'm as disappointed about what's happened to the Republican party as anyone. I'm voting for John McCain, but he was not my #1 choice for nominee.

Tiptup said:

"Sorry, no, these studies were done by media analysts. Your average american of the conservative persuasion is much more interested in the details of issues and the news than the other side for whatever reason. I'm convinced that's why Fox News made so much money and why the other news networks tried to have programming that would attract conservatives (at least for a while)."

Yup, that's why conservative talk-radio is so successful, and liberal talk-radio is failing miserably.

 

Well, I wouldn't say it's all failing miserably.  Air America has failed miserably yes, but liberals like Alan Colmes and a few others have pretty successful radio shows.  I don't personally listen to them, but I do appreciate their point of view (however wrong I think it might be).

Tiptup said:

Rob said:

Tiptup said:

Just as studies have shown, there's only a degree that the Democrat-ish side of the U.S. population tends to care about looking at issues in detail or arguing them well (or with persistence for that matter).

 

Ahhh yes, these studies were no doubt conducted by the Limbaugh Institute.

Sorry, no, these studies were done by media analysts. Your average american of the conservative persuasion is much more interested in the details of issues and the news than the other side for whatever reason. I'm convinced that's why Fox News made so much money and why the other news networks tried to have programming that would attract conservatives (at least for a while).

 You are a hilarious fruitcake.  Just because that dope fiend Rush Limbaugh (or his half retarded drunken Irish mini-me) claims that such studies were conducted by "media analysts" doesn't make it so.  Let's say you furnish said test so we can check it with the old dipshit stick and see just how full of nonsense you are.  The fact that you would even entertain such laughable stereotypes makes you sound like a real dunce.  And a big queer. 

Anyone who has ventured into the Politics thread knows that I am one of the idiot right wing types. Much like Eric Cartmen, I absolutely hate hippies. But, with that said, I must confess there is a little hippy that lives inside me... okay, okay, not so much your traditional 60s hippy, but one of those college professor "intellectual", high horse, science-is-the-answer-to-all-things, only-retards-vote-republican-or-believe-in-God, sort of hippies. The type that listens to John Lennon's song "Imagine" and is constantly blow away by what an amazing thinker ol' John was. I'd say this inner hippy of mine controls somewhere around 5 - 10% of my brian, leaving the other 90 - 95% in the control of the gun loving, war-mongering, Bush sucking, Republican voting, black hating, confederate flag bearing, poor hating, abortionist condemning, destined to be rich SOB, animal abusing, meat eating, talk radio listening, gas wasting, intollerant, biggoted religious fanatic, right-winger. (Okay, just for the record, I was kidding about everyone of those except for the gun loving, gas wasting, and occasional talk radio listening).  

So yeah, this inner hippy controls 5 - 10% of my brian. A part of me that wants to believe God does not exist, science has the answer to everything, that believes violence and war are never necessary under any circumstances, that we should not have to be held responsible for our mistakes, that the government should be responsible for handling any part of our lives we do not feel fit to handle ourselves, that medicen should be socialized, that socialism in general is kick ass. This is the part of me who has spent so many years living in and traveling around Europe, who wants to be a snappy dresser and forever throw tennis shoes and blue jeans out of the closet. This part of me is also overly concerned for the enviroment and sheds tears nightly for the sake of the polar bears misfortune on account of destructiveness of mankind. (Okay, I realize I am being pretty hyperbolic here, forgive me for that).

That 5 - 10% extremist liberal living inside of me desperately wants something truely intelligent to grab onto, wants to really come up with some good arguments to confound the other 90-90% of my brian as well as my rightist extremist friends and aquantances, but it just can't find them. Just can't. The best it finds is Bush bashing, America hating, and CNN. And those things just don't cut it.

So, where can I find some really solid stuff to turn me into a liberal? Seriously, please turn me into a liberal (you know you want to), help my little hippy to become a big full fledged hippy (just not of the 60s variety please). I have wanted for years to be an athiest, but have seen too much science cannot explain. So, please turn me into an athiest, seems like a lot simpler life to me.

Whoa, anybody else want of puff of this shit I have been smoking? (just kidding).

You just need a stern talking to.  There is no God and you know it, so stop playing pretend like the rest of the overgrown children around you.  Secondly turn off your fucking car radio.  It fills your head with worthless shit.  Not a single radio personality is in the truth business as they all claim to be.  They are all in the business of selling airtime to commercial sponsors.  Whatever gets you fussy enough to stay tuned is what they'll talk about (endlessly).  You don't give a fuck about gay marriage, you just think you do.  Finally take a good look at America's real history instead of the feeling you get when you look at the flag, or the admiration you have for our fucking awesome military (that was not sarcasm, they are the fucking balls).  Our country was founded by a handful of rich white men who not only owned slaves, but raped them quite regularly.  I can just here you thinking "But it's the best country in the world!"  Don't waste your time comparing a pile of shits in order to find the least foul smelling, or the one with the least offensive shape.  All countries suck because people are filthy terrible animals who can barely separate themselves from the great apes. 

To recap, your a shit eating cave man and a childish retard if you believe in flying men in the sky, the radio is making you dumber by the minute, and America sucks just like all of the other countries on this planet (because people are filthy stupid animals)

Octorox said:

Mielr said:

 

Yup, that's why conservative talk-radio is so successful, and liberal talk-radio is failing miserably.

 

 

And who actually listens to the radio?

Tens of millions of conservatives, for starters. Which is why Rush Limbaugh gets paid 400 million dollars a year now.

Rob said:

The fact that you would even entertain such laughable stereotypes makes you sound like a real dunce. And a big queer.

The stereotype may be laughable, but that doesn't mean that it can't be true:

http://people-press.org/report/215/news-audiences-increasingly-politicized

This is from the fourth page:

"The attentive audience for political, international and financial news tends to be better educated and middle-aged. Whites and blacks express comparable levels of interest (32% for whites, 35% for blacks), but Hispanics are less apt to follow hard news closely (23%). Republicans pay somewhat more attention (at 38%) than do Democrats or independents (30% each)."

I don't how they calculate that last bit, but PEW is a pretty respected source. Perhaps you can tell me how they're wrong.

Anecdotally speaking, my experiences have backed up these studies and so i've never felt the need to look at them closely. (That's probably not something I should do, but . . . eh.) If I want to know which side is arguing hard data, events, and logic, I look to the republican and conservative side. If I want to see who is repeating mindless chants and phrases at rallies, dinging chimes over dead soldiers, or simply expressing raw emotion or general nastiness, I look to socialists. If that makes me a dunce and a queer, then perhaps I need to be educated. In the meantime I don't think my perception is wrong.