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Well, he is waiting on a few lines of dialogue that some friends of mine and I will be recording at the end of the month. And maybe a few other things that I am not aware of yet.
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Hi all,

As usual, circumstance and real life have combined to keep me from working on this project. But as summer approaches and things wind down, I might be able to finish this thing properly. I haven't visited this site in a long while. This is a strange new forum!

I have sent a rough cut DVD to Adywan, who liked the film. I'll just post part of his earlier PM for all of your benefit.



"1/ when the crawl finished there is a very noticeable shift in the black levels at the point you swap sources.
2/ after the officer says "senator, we are making our final..." you have cut out padmes line but he still makes a gesture to acknowledge this line. maybe shorten that shot to eliminate this.
3/ One thing i will mention about the audio is Jar Jars new voice. it just doesn't fit with the character at all and really sounds very amateurish. i would go with your idea of replacing this with a new voice that is similar to the jar jar we know.
4/ When Anakin jumps in the speeder to follow obi-wan in the chase scene you have added a wipe. I don't feel that it needs it. a straight cut would probably be better
5/ after Zam leaves the tunnel the video jerks really bad. is this a result of you speeding that shot up?
6/the new screaming addition when Anakin is cutting into Zam's speeder seems out of place
7/ when they enter the cantina, when you see it from the inside, you have recoloured that scene but it doesn't match the previous outside shot. the best way to fix this would be in the first shot you need to mask the outside parts and return them to the original colour then the colouring changes would better match.
8/Not too sure about the dream sequence. it just doesn't feel right to me.
9/ at 0:36:39 you cut from them sitting in the grass to a close up of padme running to Anakin laying on the floor. i would personally cut that whole section because as it stands it creates a huge continuity problem.
10/ Boba's voice sounds too old and really doesn't match his age appearance.
11/ at 1:25:14 (i think) you cut to a close up of a boys eyes. i guess this is supposed to be Boba but it really doesn't look anything like him and it leaves the audience wondering who the hell it is.
12/ during the battle you have used footage from Independence Day. this i would seriously consider losing. you can see jet fighters and the pilots look totally out of place.

as you can see the list isn't long which shows that you are totally on the right track with this edit."


Some of these things I will fix, some I will not because it would require an inordinate amount of time (like removing the battle footage from the final sequence. I think it works as-is). There are also a few other shots Ady didn't mention that need a little FX tweak to make work. This includes painting out lightsabers in a shot and making a character's mouth stop moving in a shot.

However, the audio does need work.

Adywan explained to me a couple months ago that he will not be able to work on my movie anymore. He is taking a 6-8 month break from everything. Which is totally understandable. But after I heard this and more and more things crept into my schedule, I had to temporarily shelve it.

So just to recap, this movie is, creatively, finished. In fact, it's completely encoded, double layer. It just needs a lot of audio polishing to make it professional sounding. The only new audio elements I need are a new Jar-Jar voice from Sluggo and a child recording from MTHaslett.

I go to college this September. If this movie is not done by then, then any fan with experience in editing and interest in the project can get in touch with me and send me an external hard drive. I'll load everything onto it and send it back. And then it can be finally put away.

Either way, this needs to come out soon. It's been way too long and I want it to be done and in your living rooms.

Talk later,
TM

P.S. Thanks to "Strooper", there will now be Spanish subtitles in addition to German. Thank you so much:)

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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Was funny this afternoon I was reading about Supanova (a convention here in Australia). Some of the guests include:

* Ronald Falk (Dexter Jettster)
* Anthony Phelan (Lama Su)
* Matt Doran (Elan Sleazebaggano)

The first thought that came to my head was: those are all characters who have had their scenes trimmed/cut or re-voiced in SOTDS. ;)

The other guest was Daniel Logan (Young Boba Fett), but he's dropped out. A shame since he also fit the above category. It's now:

* Nalini Krishnan (Barris Offee, Padawan Learner to Jedi Master Luminara Unduli)

In any case, I laughed when I checked the forum and found this thread to be updated for the first time in a while. It was an odd coincidence. Thought I'd share. :)

Incidentally, Trooperman, I look forward to the day I can put this in my player and check it out. Good luck with all the real-life stuff though. Glad to see you're putting that first.

To contact me outside the forum, for trades and such my email address is my OT.com username @gmail.com

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Just curious, but are there any clips available for download? I've not been following this thread and I'm new to changes Trooperman has been working on all these years. Would love to see a sample of what we might expect to see.
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Thank you for your replies. It tells me there is still interest in this, even though it's been a long time.

I've posted several clips in the past. Someone posted the opening crawl on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-vhl-XFIxw&feature=related

I do plan on uploading a new scene in a couple weeks for all of you.

I guess the good that's come out of this is that I haven't even touched the project for a few months, so I'm coming back to it with a fresh and more objective eye. There are some changes that I thought were appropriate at the time, but now seem unprofessional and out of place. The new Boba Fett voice seems to fit into that category, especially after reading Ady's comment.

In other words, just because something is technically possible does not mean it will necessarily work.

So I think a break was what I needed on this movie. But now I am ready to finish it as quickly as I can, without sacrificing quality.

TM

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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I saw the crawl but I see fan crawls all the time so it's no real judge on what the film will look like as far as I'm concerned. I check some of the previous posts but all the links were dead. So if you get a chance to post a clip, I'd love to see what you're up to.
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Hey I totally forgot about this. I don't think there's much salvagable in the AOTC we got but its interesting to see how drastically it can be improved just using the elements available. Its always shocked me how otherwise competant professionals could produce a product so obviously flawed. Although I guess I should be wary of calling Ben Burtt a professional editor, its no coincidence that no one except George Lucas has ever hired him. I think he quit the editing business recently actually, he seemed to also have some subtle resentment to be sort of pushed aside for ROTS (yeah, I wonder why, right?).

Uh, anyway, will be a fun day when this is done Trooperman. Even if its not a perfect fan-edit its still interesting to see such ambitious attempts at improvement.
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i had exactly the same problm when I was working on 'The Clones Revealed', I hit a brick wall and made the same offer you hivae, that someone take the challenge of finishing it, but after coming back to it with fresh eyes after 6 months I achieved things I hadnt even considered during the first cut

FINISHED:
The Sith Revealed - A Scrapbook
Episode III The Video Game - The Movie
24: The Missing Day
Star Wars - The Interactive Board Game DVD
Battlefront - Journal of the 501st
The Clones Revealed

email me for details daveytod AT btinternet DOT com

 

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Hi all. Much to my surprise, the Spanish subtitles have already been translated! Spanish speakers will now be able to watch LA GUERRA DE LAS GALAXIAS- Episodio II: EL VELO DEL LADO OSCURO when this comes out.

However, we both thought it would be good if another Spanish speaker cared to proofread the captions. Please PM me for the link.

Thanks!
TM

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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Hey Tropperman, I Always wanted to say Hi, so hi.

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When I first saw this project it looked great but the one clip I saw on youtube...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WO_S6UgkQk0

...was hilariously bad. I hope it's been much improved since then...whatever happened to Anakin being a "good man" and a "good friend" to Obi-Wan before he turned to the Dark Side? In that one clip I saw Anakin was a total bastard and didn't seem to fit the character at all, plus the dub was terrible and didn't sync right...Do what you like but if that one youtube clip is evidence of the final product, I don't see how anyone could be anticipating this. I see Anakin as being overly ambitious, a little impulsive and a little naive and easily coerced. That is why he was able to be seduced by Palpatine. How Anakin acted in that clip, I'm surprised Master Yoda didn't already deport him to a faraway planet. Also, Obi-wan didn't seem to react at all, you would think he would be upset with Anakin or visually strained. The new dialogue just doesn't work at all. I hope the youtube clip is a bad joke or something...
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The youtube clip was a bad joke. Someone else did it, taking my original clip and reediting it, putting in Biff's voice from "Back to the Future."

The original scene actually used to be on youtube (someone posted it) but it's gone now. I guess it infringed copyright somehow.

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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Wow. I should known that, but I've never seen Back to The Future. I must be pretty stupid not to have known that was a joke :p. At least it got me interested in this project again, are there any clips of the real thing that are up on the web? I looked through this thread and the only stuff I saw looked like it was taken down. Also, you could try posting on Vimeo, there's an "Attack of the Phantom" clip on there that hasn't been taken down, plus it allows for higher resolution videos.
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Master Qui-Gon said:

Just can't wait to see this, no matter whether it's finished or unfinished!!!


I second that, been waiting for this for a long time & hope to see it soon

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:(  Nope.

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Hi all,

I'm really sorry to not have this out yet.  I'm still here, though.  Between a variety of things (construction on our house, a missing dub for Jar-Jar, and no person like Adywan to help out on the mix), things have just not been going well at all on my end. 

I have sent it to TJdavis, editor on the cancelled "Reborn" project, so I might be hearing from him soon. 

To be honest, I am so disappointed that this isn't done yet that I'm about to just give up and send everybody rough cuts.  At least you know what I had planned.  But the rough cut is bad- my dubbing is bad on that version.  Jar-Jar also doesn't mesh very well. 

But one way or another, you will see this in some form or another.  And if this is not completely finished by mid-September, I would be happy to pass it to someone else to finish it.  I have an entire 150 GB external hard drive filled with material from this movie.  If anyone is interested in finishing it, just let me know and you can send me your external hard drive, and I'll load everything onto it.  I use Windows and the project is in Vegas 5.0. 

Again, this movie feels so close to completion.  Everything is there (again, besides a possible new Jar-Jar dub and a couple lines in one of the deleted scenes).  It's just a handful of visual tweaks (like blurring out lightsabers in the background of a couple shots in the arena, like the "Phantom Editor" did, only in higher-res). 

And the audio must be completely finished.  I am having trouble mixing my voice correctly.  This has always been an issue.  Looking over it more objectively now, it's possible that perhaps it's not working because I'm trying to force my own voice upon the Hayden Christiansen character.  Maybe it would be better served with a different voice, another voice actor?  Maybe then things would go more quickly, and the quality would improve? 

Either way, I haven't given up; I'm just very frustrated and I also don't have all of the elements yet that I need to work with.  I would like to thank the guy that did the spanish subtitles for me.  I really appreciate that and I know that I'll be able to use them.

Anyway, thanks for following this project, for anybody that still is.  The movie still excites me; I can watch it and look past the dubbing flaws with my own voice, and when I just watch the rest of it for what it is, it comes across as absolutely thrilling and gripping.  I almost can't believe such a formerly bad movie could become so interesting.  It's the sound.  It's the voices I'm struggling with. 

Are you all still interesting in seeing a new clip?

-Trooperman

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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Recjoice, HE IS BACK!!!! I will wait forever, you don't need to feel bad. Clip yes OMG. Wow, to much coffee. But Really, Whatever you need to do. I've followed you from day 1, along time ago, and I'm still just as enthusastic. And yes I would love a clip. Between you and Ady, I never have nothing to look forward too! (Double Negitive)

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Josh insists we come and welcome you back, Trooperman.  I've not read much about your project, but redubbing Anakin sounds like a huge chore!  I would be interested in seeing this clip you want to post.

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Mr O5, Start from page 1 and keep on goin, it's a nice read!

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TM,

I have some time set aside next week to get the rest of those lines dubbed.  Sorry it is taking so long.  Real life has kicked me in the hind-quarters lately.

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Don't worry, it's no big deal. We have been waiting for years, a couple months is not that bad LOL.