Dragonball Z — Page 5

C3PX said:

Since I have not been able to stand any of it I have sat through, I am pretty sure I don't like it.

Hmm, what would you say the primary factor behind the fact that you don't like "anime" would be? What does "anime" even mean to you?

I define anime as a form of animation that comes out of Japanese culture that is compatible with adult enjoyment or at least appreciation (anything else I just call a Japanese cartoon). Also, I prefer anime where the animation tends to be better than Western work. Otherwise, there's a ton of crap out there and the sheer range of different approaches to animation coming out of Japan are huge. I can't lump it all into one big thing.

Akira has interesting artwork put into it, but otherwise I find the film somewhat boring. Evangelion is the same deal for me. They're both slow, hard to care about, and obnoxiously secretive/condescending with their simplistic concepts.

I'd suggest trying different animes before dismissing all animation that comes from Japan. Perhaps you should check out some of the great Miyazaki films (Princess Mononoke would be my top suggestion, then Nausicaa, and Spirited Away to start) which are phenomenal to me (I'd also suggest another Studio Gibli film called Grave of the Fireflies). After that, the most amazing anime series that I know of are Macross, Macross Plus, and Cowboy Bebop. Record of Lodoss War is another fantastic series to watch if you're into traditional fantasy as I am (start with the old OVA before switching to the tv series). (I also love two other fantasy series: one called Berserk and the other called Escaflowne, but I wouldn't suggest for a newbie.) Oh, and a fantastic movie I shouldn't forget mentioning would be Wings of Honeamise. Otherwise, to round off my suggestions, you might like a classic anime movie called Vampire Hunter D (which was great in its time and still impresses me today).

There are other genres in anime that aren't on the top of my list but can be great. For instance, if you like more lighthearted and fun/adventurous material, I'd suggest something like Tenchi Muyo!, Chobits, Blue Seed, Samuri Champloo, Ah! My Goddess, and Sailor Moon. Otherwise there's a lot of good horror stuff and straightforward science fiction if you're into that. Otherwise, just look for what interests you personally and test it out. (Unless what you dislike about anime is something too fundamental for a different genre to fix.)

Oh, and generally, don't watch anything with an audio track where English is dubbed over the Japanese. In general, American voice actors suck ass and shit. One of the key aspects of Japanese animation is all the money that country pours into hiring amazing voice actors. You don't want to miss their work. You should almost always switch to subtitles (particularly with Evangelion or Akira).

Tiptup said:

C3PX said:

Since I have not been able to stand any of it I have sat through, I am pretty sure I don't like it.

Hmm, what would you say the primary factor behind the fact that you don't like "anime" would be?

Crappiness mostly.

Ah, you mentioned, Princess Monoke and Spirited Away, those are too others that friends of mine have said I need to see before dismissing anime, didn't watch either one the whole way through, but I hated what I did watch. Like I said, it is not that I haven't given anime a chance, I just really don't like it. I don't know why, I just don't get into it. I would rather spend my time with other forms of entertianment.

C3PX said:

Tiptup said:

C3PX said:

Since I have not been able to stand any of it I have sat through, I am pretty sure I don't like it.

Hmm, what would you say the primary factor behind the fact that you don't like "anime" would be?

 

Crappiness mostly.

Ah, you mentioned, Princess Monoke and Spirited Away, those are too others that friends of mine have said I need to see before dismissing anime, didn't watch either one the whole way through, but I hated what I did watch. Like I said, it is not that I haven't given anime a chance, I just really don't like it. I don't know why, I just don't get into it. I would rather spend my time with other forms of entertianment.

Hmm, crappiness, not sure I've noticed that aspect of anime yet. :)

If you'd rather not explain your opinion that's fine. You were just making a lot of posts about the subject and so I was curious for something more specific.

Tip, you a fan of Tenchi?  I love that series.  I noted you recommended it.

The bottom line is, even though it covers so much ground, anime's a niche.  Some people just don't/won't like it.  Some with decent reason (C3PX), others on the "I hate anime" bandwagon.

Tiptup said:

Hmm, crappiness, not sure I've noticed that aspect of anime yet. :)

Just different tastes. It is not that I don't care to explain myself, I am not sure exactly what it is, I just don't enjoy it. bkev hit the nail on the head when he said that it is a niche. I have nothing against people who like it, like I said many of my friends do. In fact, since so many of my friends liked it so much, I used to try really hard to like it. I was convinced that somewhere out there existed something I'd like, but I have still yet to find any.

My friend gave me a copy of Dragonball Z Budokai Tenkaichi 2 for the PS2. He is not really a DZB fan or huge anime fan either, but for some reason he was really into these Tenkaichi games, and since he wanted someone to play against he got me a copy, in hopes that I would play it enough to get good at it and provide him with a decent challenge.

So, I spent some time playing this game, I actually liked it, it was pretty fun. Not a lot of lasting appeal though. After playing it quite a bit and kind of getting into the storylines, I decided I ought to check out some DBZ, so I borrowed a few episodes from another friend who had a pretty big DBZ collection, he carefully selected some episodes he felt could entertian a new comer to the DBZ universe. Long story short, I didn't make it past the first 15 minutes before turning it off (which I had wanted to do 5 minutes in) and picking up my PS2 controller to play some more Budokai Tenkaichi 2.

Don't get me wrong, I am not an anime hater, I have nothing against it. Just isn't my thing.

C3, did you watch the dub?  THat's why.  It's riddled with BAAAAAD jokes.  Just, shoot me - those kind of jokes.

Yeah, it was a dub.

I usually prefer to watch foreign films in the original language when I have the option. But my friend's discs were only in English.

OHHH!  That'd turn off ANYONE from DBZ.  Let me count the edits of this crapfest that was the Saban/FUNi team dub...

-blood to scratches
-no nudity
-dumb jokes to avoid death "they blew up the cargo robot!" "good thing it was a Sunday, otherwise all the people at that office would be dead!"
-the word "die" not accepted, instead using "next dimension"
-jokes that WEREN'T used to avoid death, that were dumb.
-seriously, they put a body on a decapitated head -  they were so bad at those edits, you could see the shadow from the head.

here's a fun video that shows a few of the edits: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AiUaPRjmb4

bkev said:

Tip, you a fan of Tenchi? I love that series. I noted you recommended it.

Yes, I liked the original series and the alternate series by quite a bit. Unfortunately I don't own it (borrowed it from a friend) and so I've only seen it once. That said, I tried starting the last Tenchi series and couldn't finish it (the humor was artificial and the stories were flat).

Tip, which newest series do you mean?  Shin Tenchi Muyo (the one with the flat-out bizarre animation) or the just recently released OVA 3?  Because, typically, STM is the one hated.

Anyway, yeah, if you want the manga look for the old editions - the ones either huge, or the ones with the logo that doesn't say "VIZ media".  The ones with the latter have edits to the art and dialogue, something that fans like myself despise.

bkev said:

Tip, which newest series do you mean? Shin Tenchi Muyo (the one with the flat-out bizarre animation) or the just recently released OVA 3? Because, typically, STM is the one hated.

::looks up names::

The original OVA was my favorite, but it was too short and I wanted them to continue it. The reboot series that was made for TV was almost as good, but when it was continued with "Tenchi in Tokyo" I couldn't watch any further (yes, the animation was pretty weird, but everything was terrible). Otherwise, I was not aware of a second or third OVA series. Do they continue the continuity of the original OVA?

Yes, yes they do.  OVA 2 is usually packaged with OVA 1, so you may have seen that; look for characters named Zero and Dr. Clay.  My advice is to stay away from OVA 3, it's almost as hated as tenchi in tokyo.

Cyborg 009... I remember the 2000 version fondly on TV.  Have the first eight episodes, but that's as far as the licensing company (since when does Tristar do anime?) went with it.  I know the whole show was dubbed.  Someone pick it up!

Adv i though had the license to Cyborg009 then lost it just like they lost the License to Gurren Lagann and other shows.

I'm surpised they have not declared bankruptcy yet, since Pioneer usa folded and now the japan half of bandai (bandai Visual usa) in the usa is closing and merging with its usa counterpart bandai ent.

I wonder how many of those shows that were goint to be sub only and at japanese prices will now cost less and be dubbed by bang zoom entertainment, like Haruhi and Lucky Star starring Wendee Lee.

As for tenchi the absolute worst thing funimation ever did was not get Petrea Burhard back as Ryoko for the english dub for OVA 3. OVA s not as bad as its rep states but the animation style is different and worst of all at the end the harem still continues with 2 new girls.

The characterizations of the original characters are left in pieces and replaced with not needed new characters.

Plus Ova and and canon spinoff galaxy police transporter added more sexyness without any context, really just to whore the show out.

The director instead of milking it should have had tenchi choose Ryoko, instead it was left up to the non canon universe tv series and movies to do this.

I don't like the ending of the tenchi in tokyo series but i still can forgive a lot in that show because it was Petrea Burchard as Ryoko in the dub.

OVA III sucks i want the old sassy and wild ryoko back!

Actress brought believability to the whole silly space pirate concept.

I won't even bother talking about how Pioneer even further went away from the original shows concept to whore it as a magical girls show pretty sammy, awful!

Never watched it even except for the 2 side stories from the original tenchi muyo.

Cringe worthy except for making fun of Bill Gates as biff standard, even the fighting between Ryoko and Ayeka was funny until it got old.

Speaking as a fan of anime I wish they would hurry the fuck up and do season 2 of Haruhi Suzumiya .

Kyoani must not realize it has been 2 years going on 3 and still nothing.

I guarantee they will do season 2 of clannad before they release the new series of suzumiya haruhi as it is known in japan.

Sure i can read the fansub of the novel of the vanishment of Haruhi Suzumiya but that is not the same thing.

Another thing that pisses me off.

Funimation bought the license to ova 1 and ova 2 of tenchi forcing the pioneer dvds to slip out of print, they did they same with Love Hina.

They did nothing with either license except make the prices of the older dvd's skyrocket.

Funi also botched the dragonball boxset and did not even bother trying getting Petrea Burchard back for ova 3 of tenchi.

Zatch Bell anyone? LOL.  the chick who voiced zatch bell as ryoko.

They also got the rights to negima season 2 and did nothing with it.

They cry bloody murder on the fansubbers for a show they have no intent to release, they only purchased the rights seemingly to squash fansubbing.

Does anyone know when the first Live action trailer will be shown in theaters? For Dragonball

I hope they drop the Z as it is stupid and not needed.

Likewise i have yet to see a trailer or footage from the new animated astro boy film. I was very dissapointed that it is not being animated in Japan. Though not unknown these days as Japan, like the U.S. does outsource  animation to China, and Singapore, Korea etc.

The genddy version that was scrapped would have been a interesting idea as i like his clone wars cartoons, but have hate filoni's.